Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-07 Thread William Ray Wing
On Nov 7, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Dave Angel wrote: > > Bob Martin Wrote in message: >> in 730867 20141107 093651 c...@isbd.net wrote: >>> Darren Chen wrote: 在 2014年11月5日星期三UTC+8下午8时17分11秒,larry@gmail.com写道: > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Ivan Evs

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-07 Thread Larry Martell
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Dave Angel wrote: > >> Approximately 1968 for me. I wrote programs in 1967, but didn't >> get to run them till 1968. > > > I once used a compiler that slow too. Yeah, I think it was made by Intermetrics. Or maybe Borland. -- https://mail.

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-07 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Dave Angel wrote: > Approximately 1968 for me. I wrote programs in 1967, but didn't > get to run them till 1968. I once used a compiler that slow too. -- Steven -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-07 Thread Dave Angel
Bob Martin Wrote in message: > in 730867 20141107 093651 c...@isbd.net wrote: >>Darren Chen wrote: >>> 在 >>> 2014年11月5日星期三UTC+8下午8时17分11秒,larry@gmail.com写道: >>> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Ivan Evstegneev >>> > wrote: >>> > > Firtst of all thanks for r

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-07 Thread Bob Martin
in 730867 20141107 093651 c...@isbd.net wrote: >Darren Chen wrote: >> 在 >> 2014年11月5日星期三UTC+8下午8时17分11秒,larry@gmail.com写道: >> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Ivan Evstegneev >> > wrote: >> > > Firtst of all thanks for reply. >> > > >> > >>>brackets [] means

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-07 Thread cl
Darren Chen wrote: > 在 2014年11月5日星期三UTC+8下午8时17分11秒,larry@gmail.com写道: > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Ivan Evstegneev > > wrote: > > > Firtst of all thanks for reply. > > > > > >>>brackets [] means that the argument is optional. > > > > > > That's what I'm talking about (asking actually

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-06 Thread Darren Chen
在 2014年11月5日星期三UTC+8下午8时17分11秒,larry@gmail.com写道: > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Ivan Evstegneev > wrote: > > Firtst of all thanks for reply. > > > >>>brackets [] means that the argument is optional. > > > > That's what I'm talking about (asking actually), where do you know it from? > > I

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-06 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > But a *great* mathematician will say, "Hmmm, actually, we don't *know* that > 2+2 equals 4, because we cannot prove that arithmetic is absolutely > consistent. If arithmetic is not consistent, then we might simultaneously > prove that 2+2 =

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Ivan Evstegneev > wrote: That's what I'm talking about (asking actually), where do you know it from? >> I know it because I've been a programmer for 39 years. >> >> I didn't intend to offence anyone here. Just asked a question

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-06 Thread MRAB
On 2014-11-06 04:05, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 05 November 2014 21:52:42 Mark Lawrence did opine And Gene did reply: On 06/11/2014 02:37, Dave Angel wrote: > Chris Angelico Wrote in message: >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Larry Martell wrote: And I don't think Larry was

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Larry Hudson
On 11/05/2014 03:00 AM, Ivan Evstegneev wrote: Hello everyone, I’m a Python beginner and just getting familiar with it. (I need it for my EE B.Sc. project) For the learning purposes I use IDLE and (Learning Python by written by Mark Lutz). Let’s say that I have some earlier experience with C l

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 05 November 2014 21:52:42 Mark Lawrence did opine And Gene did reply: > On 06/11/2014 02:37, Dave Angel wrote: > > Chris Angelico Wrote in message: > >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Larry Martell wrote: > And I don't think > Larry was actually offended; it's just that s

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > Against a requirements specification that changes on a daily basis, I want > it delivered yesterday and no you can't have any more resources to help out, > so don't ask :) Or maybe "Look, I'll give you five bucks if you can have the whole thi

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 06/11/2014 02:37, Dave Angel wrote: Chris Angelico Wrote in message: On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Larry Martell wrote: And I don't think Larry was actually offended; it's just that some questions don't really have easy answers - imagine someone asking a great mathematician "But how do y

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Dave Angel
Chris Angelico Wrote in message: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Larry Martell wrote: >>> And I don't think >>> Larry was actually offended; it's just that some questions don't >>> really have easy answers - imagine someone asking a great >>> mathematician "But how do you KNOW that 2 + 2 is 4?

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 05 November 2014 10:56:57 Larry Martell did opine And Gene did reply: > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Ivan Evstegneev > > > > wrote: > That's what I'm talking about (asking actually), where do you know > it from?

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/5/2014 7:31 AM, Ivan Evstegneev wrote: You got my point exactly. ^_^ This is not about a "range" command itself, but those conventions. The Language Manual 1. Introduction has a section on the grammar notation conventions. The Library Manual 1. Introduction does not. I would agree tha

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Neil D. Cerutti
On 11/5/2014 7:41 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Ivan Evstegneev wrote: That's what I'm talking about (asking actually), where do you know it from? I know it because I've been a programmer for 39 years. I didn't intend to offence anyone here. Just asked a questi

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Larry Martell wrote: >> And I don't think >> Larry was actually offended; it's just that some questions don't >> really have easy answers - imagine someone asking a great >> mathematician "But how do you KNOW that 2 + 2 is 4? Where's it written >> down?"... all he c

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Larry Martell
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Ivan Evstegneev > wrote: That's what I'm talking about (asking actually), where do you know it from? >> I know it because I've been a programmer for 39 years. >> >> I didn't intend to offence anyone

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Ivan Evstegneev wrote: >>> That's what I'm talking about (asking actually), where do you know it from? > >>>I know it because I've been a programmer for 39 years. > > I didn't intend to offence anyone here. Just asked a questions ^_^ Don't worry about offending pe

RE: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Ivan Evstegneev
s. I didn't intend to offence anyone here. Just asked a questions ^_^ -Original Message- From: Python-list [mailto:python-list-bounces+webmailgroups=gmail@python.org] On Behalf Of Chris Angelico Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 14:16 Cc: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Under

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Ivan Evstegneev wrote: > That's what I'm talking about (asking actually), where do you know it from? > I mean, if there are some resources, which explain all these syntax > abbreviations? The general concept. The best way to find clues about what the conventions

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Ivan Evstegneev wrote: > That's what I'm talking about (asking actually), where do you know it from? > I mean, if there are some resources, which explain all these syntax > abbreviations? The general concept. > > > Like this one(just for example): > class bytearra

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Larry Martell
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Ivan Evstegneev wrote: > Firtst of all thanks for reply. > >>>brackets [] means that the argument is optional. > > That's what I'm talking about (asking actually), where do you know it from? I know it because I've been a programmer for 39 years. -- https://mail.py

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Ivan Evstegneev wrote: > range(start, stop[, step]) -> range object > > For instance, how do I need to understand that (start,stop[,step]) it’s > just a three numbers? > > What do those brackets--> [,] mean? The docs for range() in Python 3 do need improvement, a

RE: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Ivan Evstegneev
Original Message- From: Jean-Michel Pichavant [mailto:jeanmic...@sequans.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 13:55 To: Ivan Evstegneev Cc: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed Original Message - > From: &q

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 05/11/2014 11:55, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: Original Message - From: "Ivan Evstegneev" To: python-list@python.org Sent: Wednesday, 5 November, 2014 12:00:16 PM Subject: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed So here is the questi

Re: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
Original Message - > From: "Ivan Evstegneev" > To: python-list@python.org > Sent: Wednesday, 5 November, 2014 12:00:16 PM > Subject: Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed > So here is the question itself: > > If I

Understanding "help" command description syntax - explanation needed

2014-11-05 Thread Ivan Evstegneev
Hello everyone, I'm a Python beginner and just getting familiar with it. (I need it for my EE B.Sc. project) For the learning purposes I use IDLE and (Learning Python by written by Mark Lutz). Let's say that I have some earlier experience with C language, but still Python is a different one