[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> Kay Schluehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> half of the community is happy with Emacs and the other half wants to
>> program in a VS-like environment, neither consensus nor progress has
> Calling all vi/vim users (and we'll heartily appreciate the suppo
Nicola Musatti wrote:
> It's in *commercial* projects that
> features nobody really needs are not implemented. Profit is
> fundamental in convincing you that you really need the features.
In Soviet Russia, you don't need features, features need *you*.
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On 7/6/07, Ed Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Alex Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Calling all vi/vim users (and we'll heartily appreciate the support of
> TextMate fans, BBEdit ones, etc, etc) -- we're at risk being defined out
> of existence, since we're neither happy with Emacs nor wa
Alex Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Calling all vi/vim users (and we'll heartily appreciate the support of
> TextMate fans, BBEdit ones, etc, etc) -- we're at risk being defined out
> of existence, since we're neither happy with Emacs nor wanting anything
> like Visual Studio, and yet Kay cl
On 2007-07-06, Alex Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kay Schluehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> half of the community is happy with Emacs and the other half
>> wants to program in a VS-like environment, neither consensus
>> nor progress has
>
> Calling all vi/vim users (and we'll heartily appr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
> Kay Schluehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > half of the community is happy with Emacs and the other half wants
> > to program in a VS-like environment, neither consensus nor
> > progress has
>
> Calling all vi/vim users (and we'll heartily appreciate the
Kay Schluehr schrieb:
> The problem is simply that the Python community has failed in this
> respect. There are many platform dependent and ideology driven ways to
> do deal with code editing / debugging but not actually a recommend or
> "pythonic" way. Other than Smalltalk, Python has not created
On Jul 6, 12:13 am, Alex Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Jul 5, 5:46 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Kay Schluehr wrote:
> > > On Jul 3, 8:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote:
>
> > > > Python is simply easier than C++; you might
> > > > well find tha
Kay Schluehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> half of the community is happy with Emacs and the other half wants to
> program in a VS-like environment, neither consensus nor progress has
Calling all vi/vim users (and we'll heartily appreciate the support of
TextMate fans, BBEdit ones, etc, etc)
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:13:29 -0700, Kay Schluehr wrote:
> On Jul 5, 7:18 pm, kimiraikkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I just wanted a simple answer to my simple question, however topic has
>> messed up. Think questioner as a beginner and use more understandable
>> terms to help :)
>>
>> Thanks.
On Jul 1, 1:10 pm, kimiraikkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> For experienced with Pyhton users, which developing software and
> enviroment would you suggest for Pyhton programming? Compiler+Editor
> +Debugger.
That would depend on what platform(s) you would be developing on, what
developmen
On Jul 5, 5:46 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kay Schluehr wrote:
> > On Jul 3, 8:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote:
>
> > > Python is simply easier than C++; you might
> > > well find that a debugger, for example, doesn't feel as essential
> > > as it is for you
On Jul 5, 7:18 pm, kimiraikkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just wanted a simple answer to my simple question, however topic has
> messed up. Think questioner as a beginner and use more understandable
> terms to help :)
>
> Thanks.
The problem is simply that the Python community has failed in
On Jul 1, 3:30 pm, "Sönmez Kartal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Emacs is the best for anything for me."
Me too.
Also, as pointed out by some others, a debugger is not really all that
necessary for an interpreted language like Python.
> > Hi,
> > For experienced with Pyhton users, which developing
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gregor Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>kimiraikkonen schrieb:
>
>> My another aim is: Can i develop graphical applications (like in
>> Windows) which contain menus, interactive dialog boxes etc. using
>> Ptyhon?
>>
>> I got it quite but not sure. I don't know P
I just wanted a simple answer to my simple question, however topic has
messed up. Think questioner as a beginner and use more understandable
terms to help :)
Thanks.
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On Jul 5, 4:21 pm, Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Nicola Musatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 5, 1:23 pm, Gregor Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > That's a property of open source projects.
> > > Features nobody really needs are
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Kay Schluehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Jul 3, 8:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote:
>
>> Python is simply easier than C++; you might
>> well find that a debugger, for example, doesn't feel as essential
>> as it is for you with C++.
>
>That's what I
On Jul 5, 4:08 pm, Nicola Musatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 1:23 pm, Gregor Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > That's a property of open source projects.
> > Features nobody really needs are not implemented.
>
> No, no, you got it all wrong. It's in *commercial* projects
On 2007-07-05, Paul McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 9:21 am, Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Nicola Musatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > On Jul 5, 1:23 pm, Gregor Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > > That's a property
Kay Schluehr wrote:
> On Jul 3, 8:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote:
>
> > Python is simply easier than C++; you might
> > well find that a debugger, for example, doesn't feel as essential
> > as it is for you with C++.
>
> That's what I love most about the Python community. Whenever t
On Jul 5, 9:21 am, Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Nicola Musatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 5, 1:23 pm, Gregor Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > That's a property of open source projects.
> > > Features nobody really needs are
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nicola Musatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jul 5, 1:23 pm, Gregor Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> > That's a property of open source projects.
> > Features nobody really needs are not implemented.
>
> No, no, you got it all wrong. It's in *commerc
On Jul 5, 1:23 pm, Gregor Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> That's a property of open source projects.
> Features nobody really needs are not implemented.
No, no, you got it all wrong. It's in *commercial* projects that
features nobody really needs are not implemented. Profit is
fundament
QOTW?
Gregor Horvath schrieb:
> That's a property of open source projects.
> Features nobody really needs are not implemented.
>
> Gregor
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kimiraikkonen schrieb:
> My another aim is: Can i develop graphical applications (like in
> Windows) which contain menus, interactive dialog boxes etc. using
> Ptyhon?
>
> I got it quite but not sure. I don't know Ptyhon's capability skills
> for creating interactive softwares like in Windows's c
Kay Schluehr schrieb:
> That's what I love most about the Python community. Whenever there is
> just a non-standard, platform-dependent or crappy implementation of a
> feature you get told that you don't need it. When printf was good for
> little David print is good enough for me.
>
That's a pro
On Jul 3, 8:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote:
> Python is simply easier than C++; you might
> well find that a debugger, for example, doesn't feel as essential
> as it is for you with C++.
That's what I love most about the Python community. Whenever there is
just a non-standard, pla
Thanks for the links and replies, taking care.
My another aim is: Can i develop graphical applications (like in
Windows) which contain menus, interactive dialog boxes etc. using
Ptyhon?
I got it quite but not sure. I don't know Ptyhon's capability skills
for creating interactive softwares like in
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
kimiraikkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Thanks for the replies so far. Also i have to learn:
>
>What is the most reliable and easy way to start learning Ptyhon?
>Books? Trusted code sammples(where?)?
.
.
for my part, i'm a big fan of DrPython for writing python
code (especially on windows).
http://drpython.sourceforge.net/
you will need wxPython to have it running though
It's not per se an IDE but it
has a lot of feature to help you writing with some interesting plug-
ins.
You can launch code in
Thanks for the replies so far. Also i have to learn:
What is the most reliable and easy way to start learning Ptyhon?
Books? Trusted code sammples(where?)?
I know the importance and eases of Python quiet.
Thanks.
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On Jul 2, 3:49 pm, evil tabby cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 5:10 am, kimiraikkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > For experienced with Pyhton users, which developing software and
> > enviroment would you suggest for Pyhton programming? Compiler+Editor
> > +Debugger.
>
> > Als
On Jul 2, 5:10 am, kimiraikkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> For experienced with Pyhton users, which developing software and
> enviroment would you suggest for Pyhton programming? Compiler+Editor
> +Debugger.
>
> Also what are your suggestions for beginners of Pyhton programming?
>
> Thank
kimiraikkonen wrote:
> Hi,
> For experienced with Pyhton users, which developing software and
> enviroment would you suggest for Pyhton programming? Compiler+Editor
> +Debugger.
I use standard CPython bytecode compiler/virtual machine, the Vim
editor, and standard pdb for debugging. Vim is nice a
kimiraikkonen wrote:
> Hi,
> For experienced with Pyhton users, which developing software and
> enviroment would you suggest for Pyhton programming? Compiler+Editor
> +Debugger.
>
> Also what are your suggestions for beginners of Pyhton programming?
Under Windows, take a look at PyScripter.
For
On Jul 1, 10:59 pm, Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > Thank you for the suggestions. I'd prefer a GUI-based, helpful and
> > easy-implemention skilled enviroment. Tesekkurler Sayin Kartal :-)
>
> then first decide which graphical package you want to use,
> because that limits your choice.
> Thank you for the suggestions. I'd prefer a GUI-based, helpful and
> easy-implemention skilled enviroment. Tesekkurler Sayin Kartal :-)
>
then first decide which graphical package you want to use,
because that limits your choice.
cheers,
Stef Mientki
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for)
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
kimiraikkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> For experienced with Pyhton users, which developing software and
> enviroment would you suggest for Pyhton programming? Compiler+Editor
> +Debugger.
>
> Also what are your suggestions for beginners of Pyhton program
On Jul 1, 10:30 pm, "Sönmez Kartal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Emacs is the best for anything for me. Some people prefers Eclipse
> with PyDev extension.
>
> Build some real world applications with Python. Pick what do you need
> from SourceForge or similar one then write it. If it is
On Jul 1, 10:30 pm, "Sönmez Kartal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Emacs is the best for anything for me. Some people prefers Eclipse
> with PyDev extension.
>
> Build some real world applications with Python. Pick what do you need
> from SourceForge or similar one then write it. If it is
On Jul 1, 10:30 pm, "Sönmez Kartal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Emacs is the best for anything for me. Some people prefers Eclipse
> with PyDev extension.
>
> Build some real world applications with Python. Pick what do you need
> from SourceForge or similar one then write it. If it is
Hello,
Emacs is the best for anything for me. Some people prefers Eclipse
with PyDev extension.
Build some real world applications with Python. Pick what do you need
from SourceForge or similar one then write it. If it is something you
need then you probably will make it more special then you fou
Hi,
For experienced with Pyhton users, which developing software and
enviroment would you suggest for Pyhton programming? Compiler+Editor
+Debugger.
Also what are your suggestions for beginners of Pyhton programming?
Thank you.
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