Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-16 Thread Peter J. Holzer
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.lang.perl.misc.] On 2007-06-12 08:15, Thomas F. Burdick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jun 11, 11:36 pm, Tim Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Jun 11, 8:02 am, Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > On Jun 11, 2:42 am, Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-12 Thread Thomas F. Burdick
On Jun 11, 11:36 pm, Tim Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jun 11, 8:02 am, Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 11, 2:42 am, Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It is possible to write maintainable Perl. > > > Interesting (spoken in the tone of someone hearing ab

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-12 Thread Joachim Durchholz
Twisted schrieb: > On Jun 11, 5:36 pm, Tim Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think it's just obvious that this is the case. What would *stop* >> you writing maintainable Perl? > > For starters, the fact that there are about six zillion obscure > operators represented by punctuation marks,

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-11 Thread Twisted
On Jun 11, 8:57 pm, Patricia Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wrote a Perl script to process logic analyzer traces for some hardware > engineers. While I was out of the office, they found they needed to > process a new record type. They didn't want to delay their work until I > got back, and

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-11 Thread Twisted
On Jun 11, 5:36 pm, Tim Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's just obvious that this is the case. What would *stop* > you writing maintainable Perl? For starters, the fact that there are about six zillion obscure operators represented by punctuation marks, instead of a dozen or so. M

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-11 Thread Daniel Barlow
Tim Bradshaw wrote: > I think it's just obvious that this is the case. What would *stop* > you writing maintainable Perl? A grudge against humanity, usually -dan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-11 Thread Patricia Shanahan
Twisted wrote: > On Jun 11, 2:42 am, Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It is possible to write maintainable Perl. > > Interesting (spoken in the tone of someone hearing about a purported > sighting of Bigfoot, or maybe a UFO). > > Still, extraordinary claims require extraordinary ev

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-11 Thread Tim Bradshaw
On Jun 11, 8:02 am, Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jun 11, 2:42 am, Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It is possible to write maintainable Perl. > > Interesting (spoken in the tone of someone hearing about a purported > sighting of Bigfoot, or maybe a UFO). > I think it's

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-11 Thread Joachim Durchholz
Twisted schrieb: > On Jun 11, 2:42 am, Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It is possible to write maintainable Perl. > > Interesting (spoken in the tone of someone hearing about a purported > sighting of Bigfoot, or maybe a UFO). > > Still, extraordinary claims require extraordinary

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-11 Thread Twisted
On Jun 11, 2:42 am, Joachim Durchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is possible to write maintainable Perl. Interesting (spoken in the tone of someone hearing about a purported sighting of Bigfoot, or maybe a UFO). Still, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. (And no, a fuzzy pic

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-10 Thread Joachim Durchholz
Twisted schrieb: > After all, you can't really take a language seriously if > it's either impossible to write unmaintainable code in it That's true for any language. Substitute "not straightforward" for "impossible", and you have a condition that actually distinguishes languages. > OR impossibl

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-10 Thread Twisted
On Jun 10, 8:50 pm, "BCB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree, and did not mean to imply as much in my original > post, in which my intent was to emphasize the fact that, until you learn the > language, a J program /does/ resemble line noise! :-) Eh. This isn't right. The whole dis

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-10 Thread BCB
> > Neither APL nor Snobol nor J are toy or joke languages I wholeheartedly agree, and did not mean to imply as much in my original post, in which my intent was to emphasize the fact that, until you learn the language, a J program /does/ resemble line noise! :-) -- http://mail.python.org/m

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-10 Thread Reilly
On Jun 10, 3:11 pm, Larry Elmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Twisted wrote: > > On Jun 9, 8:21 pm, "BCB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> "Paul McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > >>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> On Jun 9, 6:49 am, Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In particular,

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-10 Thread Lew
Twisted wrote: >> Oh come on! Toy languages (such as any set of editor commands) and >> joke languages (ala Intercal) don't count, even if they are >> technically Turing-complete. ;) >> >> Nor does anything that was designed for the every-character-at-a- >> premium punch-card era, particularly if i

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-10 Thread Larry Elmore
Twisted wrote: > On Jun 9, 8:21 pm, "BCB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "Paul McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> On Jun 9, 6:49 am, Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In particular, Perl code looks more like line > noise than like code from any k

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-09 Thread Twisted
On Jun 9, 8:21 pm, "BCB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Paul McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Jun 9, 6:49 am, Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > In particular, Perl code looks more like line > >> > noise than like code from any known programming la

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-09 Thread BCB
"Paul McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Jun 9, 6:49 am, Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > In particular, Perl code looks more like line >> > noise than like code from any known programming language. ;)) >> >> Hmm - I know of APL and SNOBOL. >> >> -- >> Le

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-09 Thread Paul McGuire
On Jun 9, 6:49 am, Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In particular, Perl code looks more like line > > noise than like code from any known programming language. ;)) > > Hmm - I know of APL and SNOBOL. > > -- > Lew TECO editor commands. I don't have direct experience with TECO, but I've heard tha

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-09 Thread Lew
Twisted wrote: > On Jun 8, 7:30 pm, "Jürgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> [nothing relevant to Perl] > > Perl?? Perl is even less relevant to Java than the original post, > which admittedly has some connection to pretty much all programming > languages. (Perl,

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-08 Thread Twisted
On Jun 8, 7:30 pm, "Jürgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [nothing relevant to Perl] Perl?? Perl is even less relevant to Java than the original post, which admittedly has some connection to pretty much all programming languages. (Perl, on the other hand, has no c

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-08 Thread J�rgen Exner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [nothing relevant to Perl] Oh no, it is back. Did your ISP finally cancel your old account or why are you switching to a new address? Don't try to disguise yourself. Your 'contributions' can easily be identified no matter what pseudonym you are using. ***PLONK AGAIN***

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-06-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How Purely Nested Notation Limits The Language's Utility [The full HTML formatted article is available at: http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/notations.html ] 2007-05-03 There is a common complain by programers about lisp's notation, of nested parenthesis, being unnatural or difficult to re

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-05-30 Thread Xah Lee
Prefix, Infix, Postfix notations in Mathematica 2000-02-21, 2007-05 [In the following essay, I discuss prefix, infix, postfix notations and Mathematica's syntax for them. The full HTML formatted article is available at: http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/notations.html ] THE HEAD OF EXPRESS

vector graphics bindings, was Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-05-29 Thread Tony Finch
Jon Harrop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Anyway, are there any libraries to do hardware accelerated vector graphics >in Perl, Python, Lisp, Java or any functional language (except OCaml and F# >and excluding WPF and Silverlight)? http://www.cairographics.org/bindings/ That covers all the languages

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-05-29 Thread Ulf Wiger
> "Jon" == Jon Harrop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jon> Anyway, are there any libraries to do hardware accelerated Jon> vector graphics in Perl, Python, Lisp, Java or any functional Jon> language (except OCaml and F# and excluding WPF and Jon> Silverlight)? I guess the OpenGL binding f

3D libraries (was The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations)

2007-05-28 Thread Ville Oikarinen
On Tue, 29 May 2007, Jon Harrop wrote: > Anyway, are there any libraries to do hardware accelerated vector graphics > in Perl, Python, Lisp, Java or any functional language (except OCaml and F# > and excluding WPF and Silverlight)? I believe there are OpenGL bindings for quite many languages, her

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-05-28 Thread Jon Harrop
Markus E Leypold wrote: > The answer to your question is very simple: Xah Lee is a troll. In this context, I believe he is marketing/advertising himself as a consultant and some kind of vampiric man-whore according to this page: http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/Personal_dir/xah.html "... I'm tech

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-05-24 Thread Markus E Leypold
> On 2007-05-23, Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully >> Functional Notations >> >> Xah Lee, 2006-03-15 > > Xah, why do you post year-old essays to newsgroups that couldn't care > less

Re: The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-05-23 Thread Larry Clapp
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.lang.lisp.] On 2007-05-23, Xah Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully > Functional Notations > > Xah Lee, 2006-03-15 Xah, why do you post year-old essays to newsgroups that c

The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations

2007-05-23 Thread Xah Lee
The Concepts and Confusions of Prefix, Infix, Postfix and Fully Functional Notations Xah Lee, 2006-03-15 [This articles explains away the confusion of common terms for notation systems used in computer languages: prefix, infix, postfix, algebraic, functional. These notation's relation t