Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

Bloody hell! This is the most persistent troll I've seen to date. He expected to get a raging army of pythoners after him, but people are just laughing at him. This is a mailing list, not a novel, so colloquialisms are welcome. The language on a mailing list should be informal and not necessarily g

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano < steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > David Monaghan wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick > > wrote: > > > >>If conciseness is all you seek then perhaps you prefer the following? > >> > >>ORIGINAL: "I used t

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 16, 7:33 pm, John Gordon wrote: > In > rantingrick writes: > > > > "wore" means you have worn them in the past. > > > > "used to wear" means you have worn them in the past AND don't intend > > > to do so again. > > Actually that assertion is wrong. > > No one can predict the future. Not

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

David Monaghan wrote: > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick > wrote: > >>If conciseness is all you seek then perhaps you prefer the following? >> >>ORIGINAL: "I used to wear wooden shoes" >>CONCISE: "I wore wooden shoes" > >>ORIGINAL: "I have become used to wearing wooden sho

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Tim Chase wrote: > On 08/16/2011 07:33 PM, John Gordon wrote: >> >> I stand by my assertion that the phrase "I used to do X" carries the >> meaning that you have done X in the past but DO NOT INTEND to do so >> in the future. > > I'd tweak the meaning to be somethi

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 08/16/2011 07:33 PM, John Gordon wrote: I stand by my assertion that the phrase "I used to do X" carries the meaning that you have done X in the past but DO NOT INTEND to do so in the future. I'd tweak the meaning to be something like "I did X regularly in the past and I no longer do it reg

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

In rantingrick writes: > > "wore" means you have worn them in the past. > > > > "used to wear" means you have worn them in the past AND don't intend > > to do so again. > Actually that assertion is wrong. > No one can predict the future. Not even YOU can predict whether or not Of course -- t

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 16, 6:25 pm, John Gordon wrote: > In > rantingrick writes: > > > > >  ORIGINAL1: "I used to wear wooden shoes" > > > > CONCISE_1a: "I wore wooden shoes" > > "wore" do

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:12:53 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick wrote: >On Aug 16, 4:55 pm, David Monaghan wrote: >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick >> >> wrote: >> >If conciseness is all you seek then perhaps you prefer the following? >> >> >ORIGINAL: "I used to wear wooden shoes"

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

In rantingrick writes: > > ORIGINAL1: "I used to wear wooden shoes" > > CONCISE_1a: "I wore wooden shoes" "wore" does not convey the same meaning as "used to wear." "wor

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 16, 4:55 pm, David Monaghan wrote: > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick > > wrote: > >If conciseness is all you seek then perhaps you prefer the following? > > >ORIGINAL: "I used to wear wooden shoes" > >CONCISE:  "I wore wooden shoes" > >ORIGINAL: "I have become used to

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick wrote: >If conciseness is all you seek then perhaps you prefer the following? > >ORIGINAL: "I used to wear wooden shoes" >CONCISE: "I wore wooden shoes" >ORIGINAL: "I have become used to wearing wooden shoes" >CONCISE: "I like wearing woode

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 16, 1:37 pm, "Martin P. Hellwig" wrote: > Well admittedly English isn't my native language, But indeed all > sentences seem correct to me. > > With the first sentence meaning: in the past I wore wooden shoes, but > presently I do not. > > With the second sentence meaning: in the past I was

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 16/08/2011 19:37, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: On 16/08/2011 18:51, Prasad, Ramit wrote: Incorrect past tense usage of "used to": """ I "used to" wear wooden shoes """ Incorrect description using "used to": """ I have become "used to" wearing wooden shoes """ Correct usage of "used to": """

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: > With the second sentence meaning: in the past I was not used to (i.e. > uncomfortable, hey bonus points!) wearing wooden shoes, but presently I am > used to it (although not necessarily comfortable, but at least not > uncomfortable). > T

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 16/08/2011 18:51, Prasad, Ramit wrote: Incorrect past tense usage of "used to": """ I "used to" wear wooden shoes """ Incorrect description using "used to": """ I have become "used to" wearing wooden shoes """ Correct usage of "used to": """ Wooden shoes can be "used to" torture someone

RE: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

ist-bounces+ramit.prasad=jpmorgan....@python.org] On Behalf Of rantingrick Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:06 AM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member. On Aug 16, 2:07 am, alex23 wrote: > All the way down indeed. Can you pick who said thes

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 16, 2:07 am, alex23 wrote: > All the way down indeed. Can you pick who said these? Obviously your grep skills are superb however you need to brush up on those reading and comprehension skills a bit. > "There are noobs watching and we to provide code that can be used to > teach!" Yes i s

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

rantingrick wrote: > These specific phrases i have pointed out ("used to" and "supposed > to") are a result of a mind choosing the easy way out instead of > putting in the wee bit more effort required to express one's self in > an articulate manner. Also these two phrases are quite prolifically >

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 15, 7:48 pm, Gregory Ewing wrote: > rantingrick wrote: > > "Used to" and "supposed to" is the verbiage of children > > and idiots. > > So when we reach a certain age we're meant to abandon > short, concise and idomatic ways of speaking, and substitute > long words and phrases to make oursel

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011-08-16, Roy Smith wrote: > In article <9att9mf71...@mid.individual.net>, > Gregory Ewing wrote: > >> I don't mind people using e.g. and i.e. as long >> as they use them *correctly*. > > The only correct way to use i.e. is to use it to download a better > browser. Similarly: Boy, is the

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

In article <9att9mf71...@mid.individual.net>, Gregory Ewing wrote: > I don't mind people using e.g. and i.e. as long > as they use them *correctly*. The only correct way to use i.e. is to use it to download a better browser. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 16/08/2011 01:52, Gregory Ewing wrote: I don't mind people using e.g. and i.e. as long as they use them *correctly*. Many times people use i.e. when they really mean e.g. Can you give me an example? :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:48 am Gregory Ewing wrote: > rantingrick wrote: >> "Used to" and "supposed to" is the verbiage of children >> and idiots. > > So when we reach a certain age we're meant to abandon > short, concise and idomatic ways of speaking, and substitute > long words and phrases to mak

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

In article <9att2bf71...@mid.individual.net>, Gregory Ewing wrote: > rantingrick wrote: > > "Used to" and "supposed to" is the verbiage of children > > and idiots. > > So when we reach a certain age we're meant to abandon > short, concise and idomatic ways of speaking, and substitute > long wor

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

I don't mind people using e.g. and i.e. as long as they use them *correctly*. Many times people use i.e. when they really mean e.g. -- Greg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

rantingrick wrote: "Used to" and "supposed to" is the verbiage of children and idiots. So when we reach a certain age we're meant to abandon short, concise and idomatic ways of speaking, and substitute long words and phrases to make ourselves sound adult and educated? -- Greg -- http://mail.py

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011-08-15, MRAB wrote: > On 15/08/2011 17:18, Lucio Santi wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Neil Cerutti > > wrote: >> >> On 2011-08-14, Chris Angelico > > wrote: >> > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Irmen de Jong >>

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 15/08/2011 17:18, Lucio Santi wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Neil Cerutti mailto:ne...@norwich.edu>> wrote: On 2011-08-14, Chris Angelico mailto:ros...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Irmen de Jong mailto:irmen.nos...@xs4all.nl>> wrote: >> On

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote: > On 2011-08-14, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Irmen de Jong > wrote: > >> On 14-8-2011 7:57, rantingrick wrote: > >>> 8. Use "e.g." as many times as you can! (e.g. e.g.) If you use "e.g." > >>> more than ten time

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011-08-14, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Irmen de Jong wrote: >> On 14-8-2011 7:57, rantingrick wrote: >>> 8. Use "e.g." as many times as you can! (e.g. e.g.) If you use "e.g." >>> more than ten times in a single post, you will get an invite to >>> Guido's next birt

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011-08-15, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > And yet, here you are, engaging him in conversation and feeding him the > attention he craves :( Many cultures have a tradition of almsgiving. -s -- Copyright 2011, all wrongs reversed. Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@seebs.net http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

I can't tell which comments are sarcastic On Aug 14, 2011, at 18:35, rantingrick wrote: > On Aug 14, 5:01 pm, Dave Angel wrote: > >> Interesting that when you complain about other's grammatical typos, >> you're so careless with your own. >> >> know -> now >> i -> I >> accustom -> accustomed >

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 14, 7:56 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: > > I think you need to start a blog, Rick. > > You'd be easier to ignore. > > And yet, here you are, engaging him in conversation and feeding him the > attention he craves :( Yes, Steven loves rule # 2. Second only to the strawme

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 14, 5:01 pm, Dave Angel wrote: > Interesting that when you complain about other's grammatical typos, > you're so careless with your own. > > know -> now > i -> I > accustom -> accustomed > the this -> this > > I'm inclined to ignore typos in emails except in the case where the > intent is

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

Chris Angelico wrote: > I think you need to start a blog, Rick. > > You'd be easier to ignore. And yet, here you are, engaging him in conversation and feeding him the attention he craves :( -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Dave Angel wrote: > I'm inclined to ignore typos in emails except in the case where the intent > is to abuse others. > +1 QOTW. It is, however, a well-known tradition that spelling/grammar flames should contain one spelling/grammer error. Oh, I just did it myse

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, rantingrick wrote: On Aug 14, 12:57 am, rantingrick wrote: 9. Never use the word "previously" or the phrase "in the past"; just dumb it down with "used to". I had forgot to mention one other usage of "used to": WRONG: "I used to not like indention but know i am ver

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

Chris Angelico wrote: I lolled about this one, e.g. I laughed out loud. But where are the tulips and windmills > for extra credit? > > Greetings from a Dutchman! Is partial credit available for part-Dutch people, e.g. those with at least two grandparents from Holland? ... do we get extra c

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 08/14/2011 12:38 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 6:21 PM, rantingrick wrote: WRONG: "We are supposed to write clean code but i am not used to that" RIGHT: "We are required to write clean code however i am not accustom to that way of thinking. Since when are we required t

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 6:21 PM, rantingrick wrote: > > WRONG: "We are supposed to write clean code but i am not used to that" > RIGHT: "We are required to write clean code however i am not accustom > to that way of thinking. > Since when are we required to write clean code? If I write unclean co

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 14, 12:57 am, rantingrick wrote: > 9. Never use the word "previously" or the phrase "in the past"; just > dumb it down with "used to". I had forgot to mention one other usage of "used to": WRONG: "I used to not like indention but know i am very used to it" RIGHT: "Previously i lamented f

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

I'd like to post a detailed response, e.g. a point-by-point engagement with Rantingrick's list, but as I lack time, this will have to suffice: http://xkcd.com/386/ There! Can I get my community pin now? :-) -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailm

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Irmen de Jong wrote: > On 14-8-2011 7:57, rantingrick wrote: >> 8. Use "e.g." as many times as you can! (e.g. e.g.) If you use "e.g." >> more than ten times in a single post, you will get an invite to >> Guido's next birthday party; where you'll be forced to do sho

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 14-8-2011 7:57, rantingrick wrote: > 8. Use "e.g." as many times as you can! (e.g. e.g.) If you use "e.g." > more than ten times in a single post, you will get an invite to > Guido's next birthday party; where you'll be forced to do shots whist > walking the balcony railing wearing wooden shoes!

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Alister Ware wrote: > That would mark the first constructive action from rantingnick ever > > Surely that would mark the end of the sentient universe? Only if he actually did it. Many's the time people have called for him to write a PEP, or (better still) to writ

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:54:44 -0500, Andrew Berg wrote: > On 2011.08.14 12:57 AM, rantingrick wrote: >> Follow these simply rules to become an accepted member of the Python >> community. > Sounds good. You should consider submitting this as a PEP. That would mark the first constructive action from

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011-08-14, rantingrick wrote: > Follow these simply rules to become an accepted member of the Python > community. > 1. Bash rantingrick and Xah Lee every chance you get. ... If I'd known you were in the same category as him, I wouldn't have needed to wait until now to know to plonk you. -s

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011.08.14 12:57 AM, rantingrick wrote: > Follow these simply rules to become an accepted member of the Python > community. Sounds good. You should consider submitting this as a PEP. -- CPython 3.2.1 | Windows NT 6.1.7601.17592 | Thunderbird 5.0 PGP/GPG Public Key ID: 0xF88E034060A78FCB -- ht

Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

Follow these simply rules to become an accepted member of the Python community. 1. Bash rantingrick and Xah Lee every chance you get. 2. Bash people who bash rick or xah because their basing made rick's or xah's words pass through your