On 9/30/11 6:54 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> a misplaced and rarely used functionality of the stdlib.
Have you tried putting "\.zfill\(" and selecting Python in
google.com/codesearch?
It seems to have quite a few users, among only openly available code.
Considering there is a much larger body of code
> > On Sep 29, 10:23 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> > > What is so bad about breaking code in obscure places?
> On Sep 29, 9:50 pm, alex23 wrote:
> > Try coding in PHP across minor release versions and see how you feel
> > about deprecating core functions on a whim.
On Sep 30, 11:54 pm, rantingrick
Meh, so run your own web-server.
If wave isn't right, search on sourceforge for a while.
On 10/1/11, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>>> The answer to any news/mail client with feature X type question is
>>> normally "gnus" - although I don't know what "Gmail-like style" is.
>>Yeah
>
> Gah, I got distracte
>> The answer to any news/mail client with feature X type question is
>> normally "gnus" - although I don't know what "Gmail-like style" is.
>Yeah
Gah, I got distracted mid-email and forgot to finish. What I wanted to say was,
"Yeah, not knowing what 'Gmail-like style' makes a big difference ;)"
May I suggest a[n] email client that can group mailing list threads?
> The answer to any news/mail client with feature X type question is
> normally "gnus" - although I don't know what "Gmail-like style" is.
Yeah
>slrn. Is good.
Unless I am missing something, it does not do email.
>http://in
http://incubator.apache.org/wave/
On 10/1/11, Neil Cerutti wrote:
> On 2011-09-30, Paul Rudin wrote:
>> "Prasad, Ramit" writes:
>>
May I suggest a[n] email client that can group mailing list threads?
>>>
>>> Please do. Bonus points if it handles threading in a Gmail-like style.
>>
>> The an
On 2011-09-30, Paul Rudin wrote:
> "Prasad, Ramit" writes:
>
>>>May I suggest a[n] email client that can group mailing list threads?
>>
>> Please do. Bonus points if it handles threading in a Gmail-like style.
>
> The answer to any news/mail client with feature X type question is
> normally "gnus
Maybe one Apache's Buzz?
On 10/1/11, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>>> Please do. Bonus points if it handles threading in a Gmail-like style.
>>>
>>
>>May I suggest Gmail? It handles threading in a very Gmail-like style.
>
> Curses, foiled by my lack of specificity! I meant desktop client.
> Although...if
"Prasad, Ramit" writes:
>>May I suggest a[n] email client that can group mailing list threads?
>
> Please do. Bonus points if it handles threading in a Gmail-like style.
The answer to any news/mail client with feature X type question is
normally "gnus" - although I don't know what "Gmail-like st
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
> Curses, foiled by my lack of specificity! I meant desktop client.
> Although...if another website does similar threading it would be good to
> know. Never know when I will want to start avoiding Gmail :)
>
Ah, *desktop* client! Hm. I actual
>> Please do. Bonus points if it handles threading in a Gmail-like style.
>>
>
>May I suggest Gmail? It handles threading in a very Gmail-like style.
Curses, foiled by my lack of specificity! I meant desktop client. Although...if
another website does similar threading it would be good to know. Ne
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
>>May I suggest a[n] email client that can group mailing list threads?
>
> Please do. Bonus points if it handles threading in a Gmail-like style.
>
May I suggest Gmail? It handles threading in a very Gmail-like style.
ChrisA
running and duckin
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[mailto:python-list-bounces+ramit.prasad=jpmorgan@python.org] On Behalf Of
Devin Jeanpierre
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:07 PM
To: rantingrick
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Subject: Re: Suggested coding st
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:54 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> Well "alex", like yourself, i hold expertise in many fields BESIDES
> programming. One of which being psychology.
>
I *knew* it! We're all part of a huge experiment to see how much the
human psyche can withstand. If we succeed on the Rick tes
Note: I am quoting "Passiday" to get this thread back on subject
however my reply is for "alex23" the philosopher"
On Sep 29, 9:50 pm, alex23 wrote:
> On Sep 29, 10:23 pm, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > What is so bad about breaking code in obscure places?
>
> Try coding in PHP across minor release ve
On Sep 29, 11:49 pm, Ian Kelly wrote:
> Nope, that doesn't work.
>
> >>> "{0:0>10}".format("-1234")
>
> '0-1234'
>
> The whole point of zfill is that it handles signs correctly.
py> "{0:-010d}".format(-1234)
'-01234'
My point was: Use the {char}{repeat}d format for integers and the
{char
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Westley Martínez wrote:
> I'm one of the weirdos who is absolutely hostile to the format method
> and continues to use % formatting. I'm pretty sure it is because of my
> C background (actually I learned Python before C, and thus learned %
> formatting in Python).
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 07:07:28PM -0400, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
> > However, as you use the new format method you will come to appreciate
> > it. It's an adult beverage with an acquired taste. ;-)
>
> Yeah. It's a much more difficult to read thing, but once you learn how
> to write it it flows f
On Sep 30, 3:14 pm, Ben Finney wrote:
> alex23 writes:
> > On Sep 29, 10:23 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> > > GvR should be texting me every night in hopes that some of my API
> > > genius will rub off on him.
>
> > Are you off your medication again?
>
> Please don't make personal attacks. If you don
alex23 writes:
> On Sep 29, 10:23 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> > GvR should be texting me every night in hopes that some of my API
> > genius will rub off on him.
>
> Are you off your medication again?
Please don't make personal attacks. If you don't feel like addressing
the content of his message
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>> Agree that zfill seems to be redundant with str.format, although your
>> suggested syntax is atrocious, especially since a syntax already
>> exists that fits better in the already-complicated format specifier
>> syntax.
>
> It's interesting th
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:47 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> Ah ha! Found the answer!
>
> py> "{0:010d}".format(1234)
> 001234
>
> py> "{0:0>10}".format(1234)
> 001234
>
> py> "{0:0>10}".format("1234")
> 001234
>
> py> "{0:@>10}".format("1234")
> @@1234
>
> I would skip using the "{int}{r
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> Well... We could try for equality in offense -- the Torah or the
> Koran? Maybe the Tripitaka or Sutras?
I always enjoyed the possibly apocryphal claim that the design of VRML
was influenced by the story of Indra's Net. Maybe some religious tomes
are just better
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:50 PM, alex23 wrote:
>> GvR should be texting me every night in hopes that some of my API genius
>> will rub
>> off on him.
>
> Are you off your medication again?
>
He's very much like jimontrack (aka Tranzit Jim - google him if you're
curious), whose username people f
On Sep 29, 5:12 pm, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:23 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> > A specific method for padding a string with ONLY zeros is ludicrous
> > and exposes the narrow mindedness of the creator. The only thing worse
> > than "zfill" as a string method is making zfill into bu
On Sep 29, 6:07 pm, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
> > However, as you use the new format method you will come to appreciate
> > it. It's an adult beverage with an acquired taste. ;-)
>
> Yeah. It's a much more difficult to read thing, but once you learn how
> to write it it flows faster.
>
> Of course,
> However, as you use the new format method you will come to appreciate
> it. It's an adult beverage with an acquired taste. ;-)
Yeah. It's a much more difficult to read thing, but once you learn how
to write it it flows faster.
Of course, I never managed to learn how to write it...
I would sugg
On Sep 29, 5:12 pm, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:23 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> > A specific method for padding a string with ONLY zeros is ludicrous
> > and exposes the narrow mindedness of the creator. The only thing worse
> > than "zfill" as a string method is making zfill into bu
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:23 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> A specific method for padding a string with ONLY zeros is ludicrous
> and exposes the narrow mindedness of the creator. The only thing worse
> than "zfill" as a string method is making zfill into built-in
> function! The ONLY proper place for z
Passiday writes:
> Oh, my. Who could expect this topic would iterate to some whining
> about religion (please don't respond on this remark of mine).
That's an unreasonable request. If you make a provocative remark (I
doubt you chose to use “whining” without knowing how dismissive it is),
it's di
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Westley Martínez wrote:
> But maybe I'm just batty as you all think I am.
Yes, I'm afraid so. Bonkers. Off your head. But let me tell you a
secret... All the best people are.
> Well, I once thought that a print function made a lot of sense. In C,
> printf is a f
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 05:23:30AM -0700, rantingrick wrote:
> On Sep 29, 5:37 am, Passiday wrote:
>
> What is so bad about breaking code in obscure places? We changed print
> to a function which broke just about every piece of code every written
> in this language. (BTW, print should ALWAYS hav
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 08:37:53PM +1000, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Westley Martínez wrote:
>
> > Perhaps you should spend a little less time on the mailing list and a
> > little more time in church.
>
> Is that meant as punishment for Rick or for the churchgoers?
>
>
Hopefully neither, probabl
On Sep 29, 7:23 am, rantingrick wrote:
> A specific method for padding a string with ONLY zeros is ludicrous
> and exposes the narrow mindedness of the creator. The only thing worse
> than "zfill" as a string method is making zfill into built-in
> function! The ONLY proper place for zfill is as a
point of all this, yes. You see, around here, once the
point is made there is an unwritten rule that the thread must then
descend into chaos. However, it seems you "may" have brought this
train wreck back to reality below... whether the trolls will allow
that happen remains to be seen...?
some good guidelines: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008
My topic was "Suggested coding style" because I hoped there is some common
understanding which of the ancient methods/functions are so not where they
should be that the use of them should be depreciated. I can fully under
Westley Martínez wrote:
> Perhaps you should spend a little less time on the mailing list and a
> little more time in church.
Is that meant as punishment for Rick or for the churchgoers?
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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Westley Martínez wrote:
>> Perhaps you should spend a little less time on the mailing list and a
>> little more time in church.
>
> You must not like churchgoers very much if you want to inflict
> rantingrick o
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Westley Martínez wrote:
> Perhaps you should spend a little less time on the mailing list and a
> little more time in church.
You must not like churchgoers very much if you want to inflict
rantingrick on them...
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On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 07:11:08PM -0700, rantingrick wrote:
> On Sep 28, 6:26 pm, Tim Johnson wrote:
> > * DevPlayer [110928 04:31]:
> > > On Sep 27, 10:25 pm, alex23 wrote:
> > > > rantingrick wrote:
> > > > > Since, like the bible
> > > > > the zen is self contradicting, any argument utilizi
On Sep 28, 10:12 pm, DevPlayer wrote:
> Calling the Bible a joke is used to hurt people, not enlighten them.
Y'know, I wouldn't even bother responding to this if Xianists were as
open, forgiving and accepting as their messiah told them to be. It was
a *flippant remark*. If you want to establish i
etter:
Suggested coding style Options
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On Sep 28, 6:26 pm, Tim Johnson wrote:
> * DevPlayer [110928 04:31]:
> > On Sep 27, 10:25 pm, alex23 wrote:
> > > rantingrick wrote:
> > > > Since, like the bible
> > > > the zen is self contradicting, any argument utilizing the zen can be
> > > > defeated utilizing the zen.
>
> > > And like th
> Forget money, or even the love of money. The idea that one mustn't
> criticise another person's beliefs is the root of all evil.
This was a technical discussion, and calling the bible a joke was not
necessary at all. It creates a hostile atmosphere.
Can't you pick somewhere else to attack Chris
DevPlayer wrote:
> On Sep 27, 10:25 pm, alex23 wrote:
>> And like the Bible, the Zen was created by humans as a joke. If you're
>> taking it too seriously, that's your problem.
[...]
> Calling the Bible a joke is used to hurt people, not enlighten them.
> Those words show bitter arrogance, not co
* DevPlayer [110928 04:31]:
> On Sep 27, 10:25 pm, alex23 wrote:
> > rantingrick wrote:
> > > Since, like the bible
> > > the zen is self contradicting, any argument utilizing the zen can be
> > > defeated utilizing the zen.
> >
> > And like the Bible, the Zen was created by humans as a joke. If
DevPlayer writes:
> Calling the Bible a joke is used to hurt people, not enlighten them.
How do you know that?
> Those words show bitter arrogance, not constructive critism
How do you know that?
> as it ignores how others feel about that book.
That strikes me as a good thing; how people feel
On Sep 27, 10:25 pm, alex23 wrote:
> rantingrick wrote:
> > Since, like the bible
> > the zen is self contradicting, any argument utilizing the zen can be
> > defeated utilizing the zen.
>
> And like the Bible, the Zen was created by humans as a joke. If you're
> taking it too seriously, that's y
rantingrick wrote:
> Since, like the bible
> the zen is self contradicting, any argument utilizing the zen can be
> defeated utilizing the zen.
And like the Bible, the Zen was created by humans as a joke. If you're
taking it too seriously, that's your problem.
> If however you want to learn abou
On Sep 27, 1:51 am, DevPlayer wrote:
> By the way OP Passiday the title of the topic is "Suggested coding
> style".
>
> Are you suggesting a coding style or asking for a Python coding style
> or are you asking what IS the Python coding style.
>
> If you are asking
By the way OP Passiday the title of the topic is "Suggested coding
style".
Are you suggesting a coding style or asking for a Python coding style
or are you asking what IS the Python coding style.
If you are asking what is the Python coding style. Google The Zen of
Python. It's
On Sep 25, 11:41 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Tim Johnson wrote:
> > BTW: If you like ranting as a spectator sport, I have found the
> > Common Lisp newsgroup to be among the most spectacular. But that's
> > just me.
>
> I do, actually, but I don't need to add a
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Tim Johnson wrote:
> BTW: If you like ranting as a spectator sport, I have found the
> Common Lisp newsgroup to be among the most spectacular. But that's
> just me.
>
I do, actually, but I don't need to add another newsgroup. Rick
provides plenty of material he
* Chris Angelico [110925 13:50]:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Petite Abeille
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Tim Johnson wrote:
> >
> >> Why does it suck? And why do people say 'suck' so much, especially in
> >> technical venues? :)
> >
> > It's a technical term:
> >
> > htt
* Devin Jeanpierre [110925 16:37]:
> > Why does it suck?
>
> The gist of what I was saying is that it's possible to define
> functions that do this "generically" so that one implementation of
> zfill can work with multiple implementations of strings.
That is kind of 'spot on' for me. Before
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Devin Jeanpierre
wrote:
>> Also, because technical people are opinionated windbags.
>
> Pardon?
No offense intended; just look at this list and you'll see how
opinionated people can be, and how willing to express those opinions
in many words! Frank and courteous
> I would have thought that a better solution would be to specify a
> minimal set of methods in an abstract superclass and write the
> additional methods using that minimal set.
>
> The concrete string implementations would be descended from the
> superclass and would still be able to override the
On 26/09/2011 01:23, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
Why does it suck?
The gist of what I was saying is that it's possible to define
functions that do this "generically" so that one implementation of
zfill can work with multiple implementations of strings. Having to
reimplement every time when one im
> Why does it suck?
The gist of what I was saying is that it's possible to define
functions that do this "generically" so that one implementation of
zfill can work with multiple implementations of strings. Having to
reimplement every time when one implementation would do is bothersome
and general
On Sep 25, 2011 10:49 PM, "Chris Angelico" wrote:
> And if you're willing to learn, it's not uncommon to start off
> complaining and end up appreciating. :)
+1 QOTW
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Petite Abeille
wrote:
>
> On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Tim Johnson wrote:
>
>> Why does it suck? And why do people say 'suck' so much, especially in
>> technical venues? :)
>
> It's a technical term:
>
> http://www.osnews.com/images/comics/wtfm.jpg
Also, because
On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Tim Johnson wrote:
> Why does it suck? And why do people say 'suck' so much, especially in
> technical venues? :)
It's a technical term:
http://www.osnews.com/images/comics/wtfm.jpg
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* Devin Jeanpierre [110924 19:07]:
> > Padding numbers with leading zeroes is very common. I'm surprised that
> > more languages don't make it a string method.
>
> By making it a string method, instead of a function, we force all
> implementations of strings to implement that method. That sort of
> Padding numbers with leading zeroes is very common. I'm surprised that
> more languages don't make it a string method.
By making it a string method, instead of a function, we force all
implementations of strings to implement that method. That sort of
sucks, and it's a reason not to include it as
MRAB wrote:
> On 24/09/2011 20:10, Tim Johnson wrote:
>> * Passiday [110924 09:47]:
>> <...>
>>> I have been coding in many other languages, most of the time it was
>>> Java and C#. I don't like the function mess of PHP (ie, loads and
>>> loads of functions without any namespaces etc), but I'd li
* Arnaud Delobelle [110924 12:04]:
> On 24 September 2011 20:34, MRAB wrote:
>
> >>> In my brief coding experience I have stumbled upon Python zfill(width)
> >>> method,
> [...]
> >> It could be some sort of legacy. I imagine we will hear from some
> >> more senior pythonists on this matter.
On 24 September 2011 20:34, MRAB wrote:
>>> In my brief coding experience I have stumbled upon Python zfill(width)
>>> method,
[...]
>> It could be some sort of legacy. I imagine we will hear from some
>> more senior pythonists on this matter.
>>
> The documentation says "New in version 2.2.2
On 24/09/2011 20:10, Tim Johnson wrote:
* Passiday [110924 09:47]:
<...>
I have been coding in many other languages, most of the time it was
Java and C#. I don't like the function mess of PHP (ie, loads and
loads of functions without any namespaces etc), but I'd like to think
that Python is dif
* Passiday [110924 09:47]:
<...>
> I have been coding in many other languages, most of the time it was
> Java and C#. I don't like the function mess of PHP (ie, loads and
> loads of functions without any namespaces etc), but I'd like to think
> that Python is different.
It is ...
> In my brief
On 24/09/2011 18:31, Passiday wrote:
Hello,
I have started to code random stuff in Python only recently, still
lots to learn. So please bear with me if my question sounds like rant.
I have been coding in many other languages, most of the time it was
Java and C#. I don't like the function mess o
Hello,
I have started to code random stuff in Python only recently, still
lots to learn. So please bear with me if my question sounds like rant.
I have been coding in many other languages, most of the time it was
Java and C#. I don't like the function mess of PHP (ie, loads and
loads of functions
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