Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-30 Thread David Lyon
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:05:51 -0700 (PDT), Paul Boddie wrote: > No, it's the problem of the Pythonic packaging brigade that package > retrieval, building and installing is combined into one unsatisfactory > whole. Brigade? That implies a disciplined and systematic approach.. I would suggest a be

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-27 Thread Florian Diesch
Robin Becker writes: > Florian Diesch wrote: > . >> >>>From /usr/lib/python2.6/site.py: >> >> , >> | For Debian and derivatives, this sys.path is augmented with directories >> | for packages distributed within the distribution. Local addons go >> | into /usr/local/lib/python/dist-pack

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-27 Thread David Cournapeau
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Diez B. Roggisch wrote: > Paul Boddie wrote: > >> On 26 Aug, 17:48, Jorgen Grahn wrote: >>> >>> Well, if you are thinking about Debian Linux, it's not as much >>> "ripping out" as "splitting into a separate package with a non-obvious >>> name". Annoying at times, b

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-27 Thread Paul Boddie
On 27 Aug, 15:27, "Diez B. Roggisch" wrote: > > You mean it's the problem of the python packaging that it can't deal with > RPMs, debs, tgzs, OSX bundles, MSIs and > ? No, it's the problem of the Pythonic packaging brigade that package retrieval, building and installing is combined into one unsat

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-27 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Paul Boddie wrote: > On 26 Aug, 17:48, Jorgen Grahn wrote: >> >> Well, if you are thinking about Debian Linux, it's not as much >> "ripping out" as "splitting into a separate package with a non-obvious >> name". Annoying at times, but hardly an atrocity. > > Indeed. Having seen two packages toda

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-27 Thread Robin Becker
Florian Diesch wrote: . From /usr/lib/python2.6/site.py: , | For Debian and derivatives, this sys.path is augmented with directories | for packages distributed within the distribution. Local addons go | into /usr/local/lib/python/dist-packages, Debian addons | install into /usr/{l

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-26 Thread Paul Boddie
On 26 Aug, 17:48, Jorgen Grahn wrote: > > Well, if you are thinking about Debian Linux, it's not as much > "ripping out" as "splitting into a separate package with a non-obvious > name". Annoying at times, but hardly an atrocity. Indeed. Having seen two packages today which insisted on setuptools

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-26 Thread Jorgen Grahn
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:20:35 +0100, Robin Becker wrote: > Jorgen Grahn wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:46:13 +0200, Diez B. Roggisch > >> Well, if you are thinking about Debian Linux, it's not as much >> "ripping out" as "splitting into a separate package with a non-obvious >> name". Ann

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-26 Thread Florian Diesch
Robin Becker writes: > I was surprised a couple of days ago when trying to assist a colleage > with his python setup on a ubuntu 9.04 system. > > We built our c-extensions and manually copied them into place, but > site-packages wasn't there. It seems that ubuntu now wants stuff to go > into lib/

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-26 Thread Robin Becker
Jorgen Grahn wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:46:13 +0200, Diez B. Roggisch Well, if you are thinking about Debian Linux, it's not as much "ripping out" as "splitting into a separate package with a non-obvious name". Annoying at times, but hardly an atrocity. so where is the official plac

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-26 Thread Jorgen Grahn
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:46:13 +0200, Diez B. Roggisch wrote: > Robin Becker wrote: > >> I was surprised a couple of days ago when trying to assist a colleage with >> his python setup on a ubuntu 9.04 system. >> >> We built our c-extensions and manually copied them into place, but >> site-packages

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-26 Thread Ben Finney
Robin Becker writes: > What is the relation between dist-packages/site-packages if any? Is > this just a name change or is there some other problem being > addressed? The problem being addressed is to maintain the distinction between OS-vendor-managed files versus sysadmin-managed files. That is

Re: ubuntu dist-packages

2009-08-26 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Robin Becker wrote: > I was surprised a couple of days ago when trying to assist a colleage with > his python setup on a ubuntu 9.04 system. > > We built our c-extensions and manually copied them into place, but > site-packages wasn't there. It seems that ubuntu now wants stuff to go > into lib/p