Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-15 Thread Thomas Bellman
Antoon Pardon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For instance if I do the following >a = 1, > I have assigned a one element tuple to a. > But if I do >print 1, > It doesn't print a one element tuple. And if you do parrot(1,) you won't call parrot() with a one-element tuple eit

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-15 Thread Antoon Pardon
Op 2005-03-11, Marcin Ciura schreef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Moreover, all of them require creating one or two temporary > objects to hold the entire result. If the programmers use one of > them without qualms, it is only because their mind is warped by > the limitation of print.

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-12 Thread Marcin Ciura
Bengt Richter wrote: BTW, what makes you think any self-respecting "scientist" wouldn't be insulted by the idea of your spoon-feeding them a dumbed-down programming equivalent of "See Spot run"? Am I right thinking that your dream 3 R's curriculum starts with "Stately, plump Buck Mulligan" and Póly

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-12 Thread huy
Marcin Ciura wrote: Duncan Booth wrote: import sys def nospace(value, stream=None): '''Suppress output of space before printing value''' stream = stream or sys.stdout stream.softspace = 0 return str(value) I'm teaching Python as the first programming language to non-computer scient

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-12 Thread Marcin Ciura
Steve Holden wrote: You could think about teaching them the linelist.append(fn(x)) way, which then gives you the choice of "".join(linelist) - no gaps "\n".join(lienlist) - one item per line " ".join(linelist) - spaces between items. Sure I will. Next week, when we come to list operations. .

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-11 Thread Bengt Richter
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:59:16 -0500, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Marcin Ciura wrote: >> Duncan Booth wrote: >> >>> import sys >>> def nospace(value, stream=None): >>> '''Suppress output of space before printing value''' >>> stream = stream or sys.stdout >>> stream.softspac

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-11 Thread Marcin Ciura
In view of Duncan's response, which invalidates the premises of my proposal, I announce the end of its short life. I will add Duncan's solution to my bag of tricks - thank you! Marcin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-11 Thread Steve Holden
Marcin Ciura wrote: Duncan Booth wrote: import sys def nospace(value, stream=None): '''Suppress output of space before printing value''' stream = stream or sys.stdout stream.softspace = 0 return str(value) I'm teaching Python as the first programming language to non-computer scient

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-11 Thread John Roth
I'm against further tinkering with Print on a number of grounds, not least of which is that it's going away in Python 3.0. It seems like wasted effort. I don't see much difficulty with the current behavior: if you want to get rid of the spaces, there are alternatives. I don't buy the novice argueme

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-11 Thread Bill Mill
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:00:03 -0600, Larry Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I also don't miss a no-space option on print. I've always believed > that print statements with commas in them were for simple output with > little or no regard for formatting (like for debugging statements). > If I wa

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-11 Thread Marcin Ciura
Larry Bates wrote: I fail to see why your proposed solution of: for x in seq: print fn(x),, print is clearer than: print ''.join([fn(x) for x in seq]) Thank you for your input. The latter form is fine with me personally, but you just can't explain it to complete novices. My prop

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-11 Thread Larry Bates
Marcin Ciura wrote: > Here is a pre-PEP about print that I wrote recently. > Please let me know what is the community's opinion on it. > > Cheers, > Marcin > > > PEP: XXX > Title: Print Without Intervening Space > Version: $Revision: 0.0 $ > Author: Marcin Ciura > Status: Draft > Type: Standa

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-11 Thread Marcin Ciura
Duncan Booth wrote: import sys def nospace(value, stream=None): '''Suppress output of space before printing value''' stream = stream or sys.stdout stream.softspace = 0 return str(value) I'm teaching Python as the first programming language to non-computer scientists. Many of the toy

Re: pre-PEP: Print Without Intervening Space

2005-03-11 Thread Duncan Booth
Marcin Ciura wrote: > None of the more efficient solutions is particularly > straightforward, either: > > result = [] > for x in seq: > result.append(fn(x)) > print ''.join(result) > > print ''.join([fn(x) for x in seq]) > > pr