Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-13 Thread Surendra Singhi
Its not Xah Lee, who abuses the system. But people like "Erik Max Francis" and "Philippa Cowderoy" who carry on nonsense discussions across mailing lists. -- Surendra Singhi http://ssinghi.kreeti.com , | WHY SHOULD WE SAVE TIGER? | Ans: Saving the tiger means saving mankind.. | |

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread Robert Hicks
Erik Max Francis wrote: > Mallor wrote: > > > I know I'm coming late to the barbeque. In passing, I ask: do you have > > an objective, impartial perspective on the subject of committing > > crimes? Because libel is a crime. > > No, it is a tort. > Can I have whipped cream and strawberries on th

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread George Neuner
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 06:05:22 GMT, "Mike Schilling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >"Philippa Cowderoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Mike Schilling wrote: >> >>> I'm not aware of any definition of libel that includes "making statements >>> that

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread Mike Schilling
"Erik Max Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mike Schilling wrote: > >> If I were to write, say, that Tony Blair's tax policy will lead to higher >> deficits, I could be convicted of libel? Even if that's true, it's not a >> priori provable. > > I think what

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread EJP
Erik Max Francis wrote: > EJP wrote: > >> Many states have criminal as well as civil libel. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel > > The idea of using Wikipedia to back up a legal point is rather amusing > ... but still, none of the relevant parties involved live in countries > wh

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread Erik Max Francis
Philippa Cowderoy wrote: > I'd still appreciate being referred to as "she" rather than "he" though. Oops, my bad. Never occurred to me after all these years, which is kind of embarrassing, actually :-). -- Erik Max Francis && [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.alcyone.com/max/ San Jose, CA, USA

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread Philippa Cowderoy
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Erik Max Francis wrote: > Philippa Cowderoy wrote: > > > Hrmm, does that one differ in Scotland? > > I don't believe so. > My statement was intended in the context of UK law - I have to admit to not knowing too much about what's different north of the border beyond the i

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread Erik Max Francis
Philippa Cowderoy wrote: > Hrmm, does that one differ in Scotland? I don't believe so. > Wrong pronoun, then. Well, your comment was challenged, and I offered a reasonable interpretation of what you might have meant (which indicated a more general point in any case, namely that libel law is n

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread Philippa Cowderoy
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Erik Max Francis wrote: > Philippa Cowderoy wrote: > > > It is. However, the onus is on the defendant to show that it's true, rather > > than on the claimant to show that it's false. > > That also depends on the jurisdiction. > Hrmm, does that one differ in Scotland? > >

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread Erik Max Francis
Philippa Cowderoy wrote: > It is. However, the onus is on the defendant to show that it's true, > rather than on the claimant to show that it's false. That also depends on the jurisdiction. > I assume the "he" > refers to Brandon? No, I was referring to the person who he was replying to, i.e.

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread Erik Max Francis
EJP wrote: > Many states have criminal as well as civil libel. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel The idea of using Wikipedia to back up a legal point is rather amusing ... but still, none of the relevant parties involved live in countries which have any form of criminal libel.

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-11 Thread Philippa Cowderoy
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Erik Max Francis wrote: > Mike Schilling wrote: > > > If I were to write, say, that Tony Blair's tax policy will lead to higher > > deficits, I could be convicted of libel? Even if that's true, it's not a > > priori provable. > > I think what he was getting at is that, unl

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread EJP
Philippa Cowderoy wrote: > I'm not aware of a current legal system where it's the case, but I don't > know the details of many of them. Many states have criminal as well as civil libel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread Erik Max Francis
Mike Schilling wrote: > If I were to write, say, that Tony Blair's tax policy will lead to higher > deficits, I could be convicted of libel? Even if that's true, it's not a > priori provable. I think what he was getting at is that, unlike many jurisdictions, writing something factually true

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread Mike Schilling
"Philippa Cowderoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Mike Schilling wrote: > >> I'm not aware of any definition of libel that includes "making statements >> that are not provably true". >> > > I believe UK law uses one that's close to it. If I we

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread J�rgen Exner
Mallor wrote: > I know I'm coming late to the barbeque. That's why you are missing the history > In passing, I ask: do you > have an objective, impartial perspective on the subject of committing > crimes? Because libel is a crime. It all depends on whether what you > state about Xah is provably

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread Philippa Cowderoy
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Mike Schilling wrote: > I'm not aware of any definition of libel that includes "making statements > that are not provably true". > I believe UK law uses one that's close to it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Society does not owe people jobs. Society owes it to itself to find pe

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread Mike Schilling
"Mallor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I know I'm coming late to the barbeque. In passing, I ask: do you have > an objective, impartial perspective on the subject of committing > crimes? Because libel is a crime. It all depends on whether what you > state abou

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread Philippa Cowderoy
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Erik Max Francis wrote: > Philippa Cowderoy wrote: > > > Rather a lot depends on which legal system you're in, for a start. Including > > the standards of proof and who the onus is on. > > Oh, no doubt. But I don't think there's any modern legal system in which it's > a cri

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread Erik Max Francis
Philippa Cowderoy wrote: > Rather a lot depends on which legal system you're in, for a start. > Including the standards of proof and who the onus is on. Oh, no doubt. But I don't think there's any modern legal system in which it's a crime, rather than a tort. Is there? Anyway, it's certainly

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread Philippa Cowderoy
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, Erik Max Francis wrote: > Mallor wrote: > > > I know I'm coming late to the barbeque. In passing, I ask: do you have > > an objective, impartial perspective on the subject of committing > > crimes? Because libel is a crime. > > No, it is a tort. > Rather a lot depends on

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread Erik Max Francis
Mallor wrote: > I know I'm coming late to the barbeque. In passing, I ask: do you have > an objective, impartial perspective on the subject of committing > crimes? Because libel is a crime. No, it is a tort. -- Erik Max Francis && [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.alcyone.com/max/ San Jose, CA,

Re: Xah Lee network abuse

2006-06-10 Thread Mallor
PofN wrote: > > Liar. You were never sorry when you troubled us with your posting > excrements in the past, you are not sorry now. > > Liar. You are a net abuser, a kook and a troll. It has nothing to do > with your writings and style. It has everything to do with your > vialoation of netiquette,