On 01/23/2013 07:39 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
I certainly can't disagree that it's easy to produce a very long hash that
isn't at all secure. But I would disagree that longer hashes
*automatically* reduce chances of collision.
Sure. But by
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Dave Angel wrote:
> I certainly can't disagree that it's easy to produce a very long hash that
> isn't at all secure. But I would disagree that longer hashes
> *automatically* reduce chances of collision.
Sure. But by and large, longer hashes give you a better c
On 01/23/2013 06:25 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
You think it's an accident that md5 size is roughly equivalent to 39 decimal
digits? Or that the ones that haven't been proven insecure are much larger
than that? The sha512 hash is roughly equiv
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
> You think it's an accident that md5 size is roughly equivalent to 39 decimal
> digits? Or that the ones that haven't been proven insecure are much larger
> than that? The sha512 hash is roughly equivalent to 154 decimal digits.
Proving a has
On 01/23/2013 05:29 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
1. I'am a troll because i want to generate a solution in a specific way?
2. Am' i not wasting my time trying to reply to everybody?
1) your username is obviously a pseudonym, and identified by multiple
websites as a troll. Further, your actio
On Jan 23, 8:29 pm, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> 1. I'am a troll because i want to generate a solution in a specific way?
No, it's because you have the name & behaviour of a known type of
troll:
As has been pointed out:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm
"Ferrous Cranus i
Τη Τετάρτη, 23 Ιανουαρίου 2013 2:03:51 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Joel Goldstick
έγραψε:
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
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> Τη Τετάρτη, 23 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:37:29 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης alex23 έγραψε:
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> > On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
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> > > They
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> Τη Τετάρτη, 23 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:37:29 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης alex23
> έγραψε:
> > On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> >
> > > They are getting frustrated because they do not want to follow the
> logic i'am imposing.
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Τη Τετάρτη, 23 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:37:29 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης alex23 έγραψε:
> On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
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> > They are getting frustrated because they do not want to follow the logic
> > i'am imposing.
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> No, it's because you're an obvious troll and you're wasting everyo
On 23/01/2013 09:37, alex23 wrote:
On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
They are getting frustrated because they do not want to follow the logic i'am
imposing.
No, it's because you're an obvious troll and you're wasting everyone's
time.
Now be a good lad and sod off.
What an appalli
On Jan 23, 7:12 pm, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> They are getting frustrated because they do not want to follow the logic i'am
> imposing.
No, it's because you're an obvious troll and you're wasting everyone's
time.
Now be a good lad and sod off.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-li
Τη Τρίτη, 22 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:08:57 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Dennis Lee Bieber
έγραψε:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:49:31 -0800 (PST), Ferrous Cranus
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> declaimed the following in
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> gmane.comp.python.general:
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> > You are right, it cannot be done.
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> > So i have 2 options .
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Τη Τετάρτη, 23 Ιανουαρίου 2013 1:55:07 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Michael Torrie
έγραψε:
> You refuse to use a database in a way that it was designed to be used.
>
> If you're unwilling to identify a file based on name, path, and
>
> contents, then you're only solution is to use a database to associ
On Jan 22, 10:04 am, Chris Angelico wrote:
> My family in fact has a literal "grandfather's axe" (except that I
> don't think either of my grandfathers actually owned it, but it's my
> Dad's old axe) that has had many new handles and a couple of new
> heads.
Ah, that's brilliant, I hadn't heard t
On 01/21/2013 08:00 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 2:47:54 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Joel
> Goldstick έγραψε:
>> This is trolling Ferrous. you are a troll. Go away
>
> Just because you cannot answer my question that doesn't make me a
> troll you know.
It becomes trolling
In <5dd4babd-716d-4542-ad36-e6a841b73...@googlegroups.com> Ferrous Cranus
writes:
> > If that's the case, then I figure you have about 3 choices:
> > 1) use the file path as your key, instead of requiring a number
> No, i cannot, because it would mess things at a later time on when i for
> exam
Τη Τρίτη, 22 Ιανουαρίου 2013 6:04:09 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Tim Roberts έγραψε:
> Ferrous Cranus wrote:
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> >Renames and moves are performed, either by shell access or either by cPanel
> >access by website owners.
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> >That being said i have no control on HOW and WHEN users alter
Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 10:48:11 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Piet van Oostrum
έγραψε:
> Ferrous Cranus writes:
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> > This python script acts upon websites other people use and every html
>
> > templates has been written by different methods(notepad++,
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> > dreamweaver, joomla).
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> >
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:24 PM, rusi wrote:
> Ive a computer whose OS I wanted to upgrade without disturbing the
> existing setup. Decided to fit a new hard disk with a new OS.
> Installed the OS on a new hard disk, fitted the new hard disk into the
> old computer and rebooted.
>
> The messages t
On Jan 21, 8:07 pm, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 9:20:15 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico
> έγραψε:
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> > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Ferrous Cranus
> > wrote:
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> > > An .html page must retain its database counter value even if its:
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> > > (r
Ferrous Cranus wrote:
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>Renames and moves are performed, either by shell access or either by cPanel
>access by website owners.
>
>That being said i have no control on HOW and WHEN users alter their html pages.
Right, and that makes it impossible to solve this problem.
Think about some scenari
Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>
>No, it is difficult but not impossible.
>It just cannot be done by tagging the file by:
>
>1. filename
>2. filepath
>3. hash (math algorithm producing a string based on the file's contents)
>
>We need another way to identify the file WITHOUT using the above attributes.
Th
On Jan 21, 5:55 pm, alex23 wrote:
> On Jan 21, 10:39 pm, Oscar Benjamin
> wrote:
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> > This is a very old problem (still unsolved I
> > believe):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
>
> +1 internets for referencing my most favourite thought experiment
> ever :)
+2 Oscar for giving me th
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Oscar Benjamin
wrote:
> On 21 January 2013 23:01, Tom P wrote:
>> On 01/21/2013 01:39 PM, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
>>> This is a very old problem (still unsolved I believe):
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
>>>
>> That wiki article gives a hint to a
On 21 January 2013 23:01, Tom P wrote:
> On 01/21/2013 01:39 PM, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
>>
>> On 21 January 2013 12:06, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>>>
>>> Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:31:24 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Chris
>>> Angelico έγραψε:
Seriously, you're asking for something that'
On Jan 22, 1:07 am, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> Perhaps we should look into on how's the OS handles the file to get an idea
> on how its done?
Who is this "we" you speak of? You mean "you", right?
You do that and get back to us when you believe you've found something
that helps.
--
http://mail.py
On Jan 22, 1:03 am, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> ALL, iam asking for is a way to make this work.
No, ALL you are asking is for us to take an _impossible_ situation and
make it magically work for you, without your having to improve your
understanding of the problem or modifying your requirements in any
On 01/21/2013 01:39 PM, Oscar Benjamin wrote:
On 21 January 2013 12:06, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:31:24 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico
έγραψε:
Seriously, you're asking for something that's beyond the power of
humans or computers. You want to identify that
On 01/21/2013 07:06 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
Seriously, you're asking for something that's beyond the power of
humans or computers. You want to identify that something's the same
file, without tracking the change or having any identifiable tag.
That's a fundamentally impossible task.
Ferrous Cranus writes:
> This python script acts upon websites other people use and every html
> templates has been written by different methods(notepad++,
> dreamweaver, joomla).
>
> Renames and moves are performed, either by shell access or either by
> cPanel access by website owners.
>
> That
Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 9:20:15 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico
έγραψε:
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
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> > An .html page must retain its database counter value even if its:
>
> >
>
> > (renamed && moved && contents altered)
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> Then you either nee
Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 2:56:24 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης alex23 έγραψε:
> On Jan 21, 7:19 pm, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>
> > Renames and moves are performed, either by shell access or either by
> > cPanel access by website owners.
>
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> These websites owners, are you charging them for thi
Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 2:47:54 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Joel Goldstick
έγραψε:
> This is trolling Ferrous. you are a troll. Go away
Just because you cannot answer my question that doesn't make me a troll you
know.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Jan 21, 7:19 pm, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> Renames and moves are performed, either by shell access or either by cPanel
> access by website owners.
These websites owners, are you charging them for this "service" you
provide?
You seriously need to read up on some fundamentals of how the web +
a
On Jan 21, 10:39 pm, Oscar Benjamin
wrote:
> This is a very old problem (still unsolved I
> believe):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
+1 internets for referencing my most favourite thought experiment
ever :)
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
This is trolling Ferrous. you are a troll. Go away
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Oscar Benjamin
wrote:
> On 21 January 2013 12:06, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> > Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:31:24 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Chris
> Angelico έγραψε:
> >>
> >> Seriously, you're asking for somethi
On 21 January 2013 12:06, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:31:24 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico
> έγραψε:
>>
>> Seriously, you're asking for something that's beyond the power of
>> humans or computers. You want to identify that something's the same
>> file, without
Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:31:24 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico
έγραψε:
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>
> > This python script acts upon websites other people use and
>
> > every html templates has been written by different methods(notepad++,
> > dreamwe
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> This python script acts upon websites other people use and
> every html templates has been written by different methods(notepad++,
> dreamweaver, joomla).
>
> Renames and moves are performed, either by shell access or either by cPanel
> a
Τη Δευτέρα, 21 Ιανουαρίου 2013 9:20:15 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Chris Angelico
έγραψε:
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>
> > An .html page must retain its database counter value even if its:
>
> >
>
> > (renamed && moved && contents altered)
>
>
>
> Then you either nee
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> An .html page must retain its database counter value even if its:
>
> (renamed && moved && contents altered)
Then you either need to tag them in some external way, or have some
kind of tracking operation - for instance, if you require that
Τη Σάββατο, 19 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:00:15 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Dave Angel έγραψε:
> On 01/19/2013 03:39 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>
> > Τη Σάββατο, 19 Ιανουαρίου 2013 12:09:28 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Dave Angel
> > έγραψε:
>
> >
>
> >> I don't understand the problem. A trivial Python script could
Τη Σάββατο, 19 Ιανουαρίου 2013 11:32:41 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Dennis Lee Bieber
έγραψε:
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 00:39:44 -0800 (PST), Ferrous Cranus
>
> declaimed the following in
>
> gmane.comp.python.general:
>
> > We need to find a way so even IF:
>
> >
>
> > (filepath gets modified && fil
On 01/19/2013 03:39 AM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
Τη Σάββατο, 19 Ιανουαρίου 2013 12:09:28 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Dave Angel έγραψε:
I don't understand the problem. A trivial Python script could scan
through all the files in the directory, checking which ones are missing
the identifier, and rewrit
Τη Σάββατο, 19 Ιανουαρίου 2013 12:09:28 π.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης Dave Angel έγραψε:
> I don't understand the problem. A trivial Python script could scan
>
> through all the files in the directory, checking which ones are missing
>
> the identifier, and rewriting the file with the identifier adde
Τη Παρασκευή, 18 Ιανουαρίου 2013 10:59:17 μ.μ. UTC+2, ο χρήστης John Gordon
έγραψε:
> Instead of inserting unique content in every page, can't you use the
> document path itself as the identifier?
No, i cannot, becaue it would mess things at later time when i for example:
1. mv name.html other
On 01/18/2013 03:48 PM, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
I use this .htaccess file to rewrite every .html request to counter.py
#
=
RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} -f
RewriteRul
In <8deb6f5d-ff10-4b36-bdd6-36f9eed58...@googlegroups.com> Ferrous Cranus
writes:
> Problem is that i have to insert at the very first line of every .html
> template of mine, a unique string containing a number like:
> index.html
> somefile.html
> other.html
> nikos.html
>
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