Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-17 Thread John Bokma
"Tim N. van der Leeuw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Bokma wrote: >> "Robert Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > No it isn't. >> >> Learn to quote when you use Google's Usenet garbage. >> > > I don't know why you consider it 'garbage', How many people use GG without quoting, annoyin

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-17 Thread Steve Holden
Dave Benjamin wrote: > Hey folks, > > Why is PythonWin (win32all) still a separate download from a third party? > Is it legal, technical, or what? I think it's about time it be part of the > standard distribution. > Something that the other responders seem to have ignored is the separation of

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-17 Thread Tim N. van der Leeuw
John Bokma wrote: > "Robert Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > No it isn't. > > Learn to quote when you use Google's Usenet garbage. > I don't know why you consider it 'garbage', using it myself for this 'contribution', but quoting isn't hard using google groups. Just clicking the right link

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Dave Benjamin wrote: > Sure. I wasn't proposing that this be done behind Mark's back. I wasn't > even proposing a fork; rather, just two installers bundled into one. The > user, upon running the .msi file, would simply be asked if they'd like > PythonWin also. PythonWin could be automatically combi

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-16 Thread Dave Benjamin
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Dave Benjamin wrote: >> Why is PythonWin (win32all) still a separate download from a third >> party? Is it legal, technical, or what? I think it's about time it be >> part of the standard distribution. > > Both legal and technical. The PythonWin author and maintainer (Mark

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-16 Thread Dave Benjamin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The ctypes.com package is no longer part of ctypes. > It has been split by Thomas Heller into a separate package comtypes. > See: http://sourceforge.net/projects/comtypes/ > > Still in its childhood but as easy as com can get, I guess, way easier > and better than python

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-16 Thread Dave Benjamin
Ten wrote: > Respectfully, that sounds like a reason for *you* to bundle pythonwin (and > python, to be honest :) ), not a reason for everyone else to have to download > an extra 40-50% of potentially superfluous cruft with their standard python > setup. Certainly, I could bundle Python and Pyt

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-12 Thread jUrner
The ctypes.com package is no longer part of ctypes. It has been split by Thomas Heller into a separate package comtypes. See: http://sourceforge.net/projects/comtypes/ Still in its childhood but as easy as com can get, I guess, way easier and better than pythonWin at least. Juergen -- http

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-12 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Dave Benjamin wrote: > Why is PythonWin (win32all) still a separate download from a third > party? Is it legal, technical, or what? I think it's about time it be > part of the standard distribution. Both legal and technical. The PythonWin author and maintainer (Mark Hammond) hasn't contributed thi

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-12 Thread Dave Benjamin
On Thu, 11 May 2006, Alex Martelli wrote: > Dave Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... >> It's time to bundle PythonWin. > > No: the Python Standard Distribution, in 2.5, includes instead ctypes, > which is lower-level than PythonWin but more general (exists for other > platforms, lets you c

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Alex Martelli
Dave Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > It's time to bundle PythonWin. No: the Python Standard Distribution, in 2.5, includes instead ctypes, which is lower-level than PythonWin but more general (exists for other platforms, lets you call other DLLs on Windows and not just those wrapped f

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Ravi Teja
> I write applications that use COM and Tkinter to automate basic office > tasks. My users are thankfully benevolent enough to download and install > Python on their own. They don't know what PythonWin is, they aren't > remembering it, and frankly, I don't think it should be their concern. > It's

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Ten
On Thursday 11 May 2006 23:09, Dave Benjamin wrote: > Hey folks, > > Why is PythonWin (win32all) still a separate download from a third party? > Is it legal, technical, or what? I think it's about time it be part of the > standard distribution. > > There are many useful things that you ought to be

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Carl Banks
Robert Hicks wrote: > No it isn't. It is a Windows only package. It needs to stay a separate > download. The latest Python Library Reference has a section called "MS Windows Specific Services", where it has several packages that work only on Windows. There's also a section for SGI IRIX modules, a

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread John Bokma
"Robert Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No it isn't. Learn to quote when you use Google's Usenet garbage. -- John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/ personal page: http://johnbokma.com/ Experienced programmer available:

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Dave Benjamin
On Thu, 11 May 2006, Robert Hicks wrote: > No it isn't. It is a Windows only package. It needs to stay a separate > download. The Windows installer for Python is an MSI file. It's already Windows only. Dave -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Time to bundle PythonWin

2006-05-11 Thread Robert Hicks
No it isn't. It is a Windows only package. It needs to stay a separate download. Robert -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list