On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 12:12:58 AM UTC+5:30, Python wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 04:51:09PM -0500, Bill wrote:
> > >I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
> > >programming language,...plz suggest some books also.
> > >
> > >Thanks all
> >
> > Are yo
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 04:51:09PM -0500, Bill wrote:
> >I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
> >programming language,...plz suggest some books also.
> >
> >Thanks all
>
> Are you sure you want to learn Python first?
> Python does enough things "behind the sce
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>
> Larry Martell :
>
> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> >> However, one great way to stand out is a portfolio of GitHub
> >> projects. Several people have gotten an offer largely based on those
> >> (after they ace
Larry Martell :
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> However, one great way to stand out is a portfolio of GitHub
>> projects. Several people have gotten an offer largely based on those
>> (after they aced the technical interviews). For example, we just
>> hired someone wh
Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
You don't need to explain a vtable to explain dynamic_cast. Only if
you want to become a compiler writer. It is not even required, vtables
are just the most common implementation.
dynamic_cast simply checks if the actual object that the pointer
points to is an in
On 12/18/2017 01:52 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 18 December 2017 16:05:10 Rob Gaddi wrote:
On 12/18/2017 08:45 AM, Larry Martell wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa
wrote:
However, one great way to stand out is a portfolio of GitHub
projects. Several people have go
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 18 December 2017 16:05:10 Rob Gaddi wrote:
>
>> On 12/18/2017 08:45 AM, Larry Martell wrote:
>> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa
> wrote:
>> >> However, one great way to stand out is a portfolio of GitHub
>> >> pro
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Rob Gaddi
wrote:
> On 12/18/2017 08:45 AM, Larry Martell wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>>
>>> However, one great way to stand out is a portfolio of GitHub projects.
>>> Several people have gotten an offer largely based on th
On Monday 18 December 2017 16:05:10 Rob Gaddi wrote:
> On 12/18/2017 08:45 AM, Larry Martell wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa
wrote:
> >> However, one great way to stand out is a portfolio of GitHub
> >> projects. Several people have gotten an offer largely based on
>
Am 18.12.17 um 05:54 schrieb Bill:
Chris Angelico wrote:
I don't know about vtables as needing to be in ANY programming course.
They're part of a "let's dive into the internals of C++" course. You
certainly don't need them to understand how things work in Python,
because they don't exist; and I'
On 12/18/2017 08:45 AM, Larry Martell wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
However, one great way to stand out is a portfolio of GitHub projects.
Several people have gotten an offer largely based on those (after they
aced the technical interviews). For example, we just
Rhodri James :
> On 18/12/17 16:33, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Rhodri James :
>>> Exactly what "interesting" meant was somewhat arbitrary; we put one
>>> person through to interview because she was a cellist, and that
>>> would have given us a complete string quartet (she didn't get the
>>> job, sad
On Monday 18 December 2017 09:19:01 Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:09 AM, Rhodri James
wrote:
> > On 18/12/17 13:28, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> >> However, I have been doing quite a bit of hiring, quite
> >> successfully, I might add. I am not prejudiced one way or another.
> >>
On 18/12/17 16:33, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Rhodri James :
I haven't often been involved in hiring, but the few times I have we
had more applicants than it was feasible to interview.
You don't have to interview them all. Once you encounter an excellent
candidate, you can close the deal. If you do
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Larry Martell
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> However, one great way to stand out is a portfolio of GitHub projects.
>>> Several people have gotten an offer largely
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Larry Martell wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> However, one great way to stand out is a portfolio of GitHub projects.
>> Several people have gotten an offer largely based on those (after they
>> aced the technical interviews). Fo
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> However, one great way to stand out is a portfolio of GitHub projects.
> Several people have gotten an offer largely based on those (after they
> aced the technical interviews). For example, we just hired someone who
> had written a game in
Rhodri James :
> I haven't often been involved in hiring, but the few times I have we
> had more applicants than it was feasible to interview.
You don't have to interview them all. Once you encounter an excellent
candidate, you can close the deal. If you don't, you might lose them.
You don't have
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:09 AM, Rhodri James wrote:
> On 18/12/17 13:28, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>
>> However, I have been doing quite a bit of hiring, quite successfully, I
>> might add. I am not prejudiced one way or another. Your résumé doesn't
>> count. Your education doesn't count. What you c
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Rhodri James wrote:
> On 18/12/17 13:28, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>
>> However, I have been doing quite a bit of hiring, quite successfully, I
>> might add. I am not prejudiced one way or another. Your résumé doesn't
>> count. Your education doesn't count. What you c
On 18/12/17 13:28, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
However, I have been doing quite a bit of hiring, quite successfully, I
might add. I am not prejudiced one way or another. Your résumé doesn't
count. Your education doesn't count. What you can do for the team
counts, and that is measured during the intervi
Chris Angelico :
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Let's see. What I have learned on the job is projects and processes
>> (even though college tried to give a taste of those, as well). Then,
>> I have gathered some encyclopedic knowledge about programming
>> languages, l
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Bill wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think we are talking about the same people.
>>> But in college, the prerequisite of "at least co-enrolled in pre-calc",
>>> turned out to be the right one (based
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Bill wrote:
I think we are talking about the same people.
But in college, the prerequisite of "at least co-enrolled in pre-calc",
turned out to be the right one (based upon quite a lot of teaching
experience).
Fortunately for the program
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Chris Angelico :
>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> Then I graduated and joined the workforce. Since then, I have learned
>>> a thing or two, but I learned more during my first year in college
>>> than I have du
Chris Angelico :
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Then I graduated and joined the workforce. Since then, I have learned
>> a thing or two, but I learned more during my first year in college
>> than I have during the 25 since I left.
>
> Interesting. I'm not surprised th
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Bill wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
I don't know about vtables as needing to be in ANY programming course.
They're part of a "let's dive into the internals of C++" course. You
certainl
Chris Angelico wrote:
I agree with some of that, but you then take it to absurdity. You most
certainly CAN drive a car without knowing how one works; in fact, with
this century's cars, I think that's very much the case. How many
people REALLY know what happens when you push the accelerator pedal
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know about vtables as needing to be in ANY programming course.
>>> They're part of a "let's dive into the internals of C++" course. You
>>> certainly don'
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Bill wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> I don't know about vtables as needing to be in ANY programming course.
>> They're part of a "let's dive into the internals of C++" course. You
>> certainly don't need them to understand how things work in Python,
>> because
Chris Angelico wrote:
I don't know about vtables as needing to be in ANY programming course.
They're part of a "let's dive into the internals of C++" course. You
certainly don't need them to understand how things work in Python,
because they don't exist; and I'm doubtful that you need to explain
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Bill wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't know about vtables as needing to be in ANY programming course.
>> They're part of a "let's dive into the internals of C++" course. You
>> certainly don't need them to understand how things work in Python,
>> beca
Chris Angelico wrote:
I don't know about vtables as needing to be in ANY programming course.
They're part of a "let's dive into the internals of C++" course. You
certainly don't need them to understand how things work in Python,
because they don't exist; and I'm doubtful that you need to explain
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Bill wrote:
> I tried pretty hard not to say that. I said they needed some "mathematical
> sophistication"--not actual mathematics. My error was using that expression
> among an audience not so familiar with that terminology. That said, I think
> I would have a ha
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Bill wrote:
Larry Martell wrote:
So, your experience is that the style of learning you offer is
unsuitable to anyone who doesn't have some background in algebra.
That's fine. For your course, you set the prereqs. But that's not the
only
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Bill wrote:
> Larry Martell wrote:
>>
>> So, your experience is that the style of learning you offer is
>>>
>>> unsuitable to anyone who doesn't have some background in algebra.
>>> That's fine. For your course, you set the prereqs. But that's not the
>>> only way
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Bill wrote:
The point is that it takes a certain amount of what is referred to as
"mathematical maturity" (not mathematical knowledge) to digest a book
concerning computer programming.
Emphasis on *a book*.
In my years of teaching experi
Gregory Ewing wrote:
Bill wrote:
In my years of teaching experience, students who came to college
without the equivalent of "college algebra" were under-prepared for
what was expected of them.
This could be simply because it weeds out people who aren't
good at the required style of thinking.
Larry Martell wrote:
So, your experience is that the style of learning you offer is
unsuitable to anyone who doesn't have some background in algebra.
That's fine. For your course, you set the prereqs. But that's not the
only way for someone to get into coding. You do NOT have to go to
college be
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Gregory Ewing :
>> Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> You do NOT have to go to college before you start creating software.
>>> That is also not an opinion; it's a fact backed by a number of proven
>>> instances (myself included).
>>
>> Me, too. I sta
Gregory Ewing :
> Chris Angelico wrote:
>> You do NOT have to go to college before you start creating software.
>> That is also not an opinion; it's a fact backed by a number of proven
>> instances (myself included).
>
> Me, too. I started programming (a tiny homebrew machine) when I was
> about 12
Chris Angelico wrote:
You do NOT have to go to
college before you start creating software. That is also not an
opinion; it's a fact backed by a number of proven instances (myself
included).
Me, too. I started programming (a tiny homebrew machine) when
I was about 12 or 13. I was just starting t
Bill wrote:
In my years of teaching experience,
students who came to college without the equivalent of "college algebra"
were under-prepared for what was expected of them.
This could be simply because it weeds out people who aren't
good at the required style of thinking. If that's true,
anythi
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Bill wrote:
>> The point is that it takes a certain amount of what is referred to as
>> "mathematical maturity" (not mathematical knowledge) to digest a book
>> concerning computer programming.
>
> Emphasis
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Bill wrote:
> The point is that it takes a certain amount of what is referred to as
> "mathematical maturity" (not mathematical knowledge) to digest a book
> concerning computer programming.
Emphasis on *a book*.
> In my years of teaching experience,
> students w
Rustom Mody wrote:
In response to
Rustom Mody wrote:
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 9:45:17 AM UTC+5:30, Bill wrote:
so it really doesn't make that much difference where one starts, just
"Do It!". : )
Really ¿?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_learning#Primacy
On Sunday, De
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 6:11:31 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Stefan Ram:
>
> > Varun R writes:
> >>I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start
> >>learning python programming language
> >
> > As a start, one should learn:
> >
> > 1.) how to install Python
> >
In response to
> Rustom Mody wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 9:45:17 AM UTC+5:30, Bill wrote:
>>> so it really doesn't make that much difference where one starts, just
>>> "Do It!". : )
>> Really ¿?
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_learning#Primacy
On Sunday, December
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 6:39:41 AM UTC+5:30, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 2:26:43 AM UTC+13, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, Python's indentation mechanism makes the REPL too
> > frustrating an environment to type in even the simplest of function
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 14:41:00 +1200, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram):
>
>> Varun R writes:
>>>I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning
>>>python programming language
>>
>> As a start, one should learn:
>>
>> 1.) how to install Python
>>
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Bill wrote:
> Gregory Ewing wrote:
>>
>> Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> In my experience, if they do not have the basic (~pre-calc) math behind
>>> them, then learning from a textbook on a programming language, say, may be
>>> a bit beyond them.
>>
>>
>> Very little mathema
Gregory Ewing wrote:
Bill wrote:
In my experience, if they do not have the basic (~pre-calc) math
behind them, then learning from a textbook on a programming language,
say, may be a bit beyond them.
Very little mathematical *knowledge* is needed to get started
with programming. You can do a
Bill wrote:
In my experience,
if they do not have the basic (~pre-calc) math behind them, then
learning from a textbook on a programming language, say, may be a bit
beyond them.
Very little mathematical *knowledge* is needed to get started
with programming. You can do a lot of useful things
Rustom Mody (Rustom Mody) wrote:
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 9:45:17 AM UTC+5:30, Bill wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Bill wrote:
Varun R wrote:
Hi All,
I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
programming language,...plz
On 12/16/2017 8:26 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Unfortunately, Python's indentation mechanism makes the REPL too
frustrating an environment to type in even the simplest of function
definitions, let alone a whole class.
The fundamental problem is that most REPLs are for 'command lines', and
Pytho
On 2017-12-15, Varun R wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
> programming language,...plz suggest some books also.
>
> Thanks all
IMHO These're must have look at:
http://opim.wharton.upenn.edu/~sok/idtresources/python/instant-hacking.html
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >
Chris Angelico :
>
>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram):
>> As a start, one should learn:
>>
>> 1.) how to install Python
>> (if not already installed)
>>
>> 2.) how to st
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017, Bill wrote:
>
Varun R wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
programming language,...plz suggest some books also.
>>
>> Thanks all
>
>Are you sure you want to learn Python first?
>Python does enough things "behind the
Il giorno venerdì 15 dicembre 2017 12:50:08 UTC+1, Varun R ha scritto:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
> programming language,...plz suggest some books also.
>
> Thanks all
Personally I learnt python from the tutorial that you can find in:
Chris Angelico :
> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram):
>>> As a start, one should learn:
>>>
>>> 1.) how to install Python
>>> (if not already installed)
>>>
>>> 2.) how to start the Python console
>>> (if not
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram):
>
>> Varun R writes:
>>>I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start
>>>learning python programming language
>>
>> As a start, one should learn:
>>
>> 1.) how to install Python
>>
r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram):
> Varun R writes:
>>I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start
>>learning python programming language
>
> As a start, one should learn:
>
> 1.) how to install Python
> (if not already installed)
>
> 2.) how to start the Python
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 9:45:17 AM UTC+5:30, Bill wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Bill wrote:
> >> Varun R wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
> >>> programming language,...plz sugge
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Bill wrote:
Varun R wrote:
Hi All,
I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
programming language,...plz suggest some books also.
Thanks all
Are you sure you want to learn Python first?
Python does enoug
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Bill wrote:
> Varun R wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
>> programming language,...plz suggest some books also.
>>
>> Thanks all
>
>
> Are you sure you want to learn Python first?
> Python does enou
Varun R wrote:
Hi All,
I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
programming language,...plz suggest some books also.
Thanks all
Are you sure you want to learn Python first?
Python does enough things "behind the scene"
that it makes me question the wisdom of t
I've been slowly reading through "Learning Python: Powerful
Object-Oriented Programming" - (
https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Python-Powerful-Object-Oriented-Programming-ebook/dp/B00DDZPC9S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1513350446&sr=8-2&keywords=learning+python+powerful+object-oriented+programming
)
Thanks friend,
Got the point.
Regards,
Vijay Shanker Dubey
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Krister Svanlund <
krister.svanl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Vijay Shanker Dubey
> wrote:
> > Yes you are right about symlink thing.
> > So what should I do for a clever
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Vijay Shanker Dubey
wrote:
> Yes you are right about symlink thing.
> So what should I do for a clever developer environment?
> Should I change that python link to python3 or python3.1?
>
> Regards,
> Vijay Shanker Dubey
>
It all depends on what you want to do. I
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Vijay Shanker Dubey
wrote:
> Hi,
> My Linux box is ubuntu system. I want to create a development environment on
> my system for python programing language. I got to see there are two
> versions of python language
> 1. python 2.5.6
> 2. python 3.1.2
> To find out wh
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