Re: Official definition of call-by-value (Re: Finding the instancereference...)

2008-11-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:08:04 +0200, Hendrik van Rooyen wrote: > And here one is faced with the same problem as I pointed to above - if > you do not have access to the struct definition (which you don't have at > run time), its kind of difficult to figure out where the value is, and > you can only

Re: Official definition of call-by-value (Re: Finding the instancereference...)

2008-11-17 Thread rurpy
On Nov 17, 12:20 pm, "Hendrik van Rooyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Steve Holden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> There's also the question, if you say that an object is different from >> its value, of determining what the value's value is ... > > This one is easy - its obviously the value tha

Re: Official definition of call-by-value (Re: Finding the instancereference...)

2008-11-17 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
"Terry Reedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the important point is this. In Python, objects are > self-identifying bundles of information, which is to say, the bundle > includes knowledge of the which universe of possible bundles the object > comes from, where the universe includes a s

Re: Official definition of call-by-value (Re: Finding the instancereference...)

2008-11-16 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
"Steve Holden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's also the question, if you say that an object is different from > its value, of determining what the value's value is ... This one is easy - its obviously the value that is returned when the value is returned when you call for the value that you