On 2015-01-22, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Mario Figueiredo wrote:
>
>> But speaking about impressing more experient programmers, I personally
>> don't think Python has a wow factor in any of its features and syntax. At
>> least in the way I understand the word "wow".
>
> Quote:
>
> I've seen Pyt
Alan Bawden wrote:
> Alan Bawden writes:
>> ... Score one for untyped languages.
>
> Drat. I should have writted "dynamically typed languages".
>
> The language has changed. When I was a novice Lisp hacker, we were
> comfortable saying that Lisp was "untyped". But nowadays we always say
> t
Mario Figueiredo wrote:
> But speaking about impressing more experient programmers, I personally
> don't think Python has a wow factor in any of its features and syntax. At
> least in the way I understand the word "wow".
Quote:
I've seen Python criticized as "ugly" precisely because it doesn
On 21-1-2015 20:06, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Irmen de Jong wrote:
>> On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>
>>> 3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length
>>> and
>>> were not limited to swomething arbitrary, like 256 characters.
>
Alan Bawden writes:
> The language has changed. When I was a novice Lisp hacker, we were
> comfortable saying that Lisp was "untyped". But nowadays we always say
> that Lisp is "dynamically typed". I could write an essay about why...
I'd be interested in seeing that. Lisp of course descends f
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Matthew Ruffalo wrote:
> No, Java's String.length returns an int and Strings are limited to ~2 **
> 31 characters even in 64-bit Java.
Huh, annoying. In Python, the length of a string (in characters) is
stored in a Py_ssize_t (if I recall correctly), which is, I b
In article , alan@scooby-
doo.csail.mit.edu says...
> Even in a 64-bit Java, the _type_ returned by String.length() is
> 'int', and is thus at most (2**31 - 1). This isn't a problem for
> strings, which never get that long in practice, but for some other
> Java datatypes (e.g., Buffer) it is a rea
Alan Bawden writes:
> ... Score one for untyped languages.
Drat. I should have writted "dynamically typed languages".
The language has changed. When I was a novice Lisp hacker, we were
comfortable saying that Lisp was "untyped". But nowadays we always say
that Lisp is "dynamically typed". I
On 01/21/2015 04:26 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Matthew Ruffalo wrote:
>> Yes, length-unlimited strings are *extremely* useful in some
>> applications. I remember bitterly cursing Java's string length limit of
>> 2 ** 31 (maybe - 1) on multiple occasions. Python's
Chris Angelico writes:
> ..., and I would guess a 64-bit Java would
> also raise the limit.
Even in a 64-bit Java, the _type_ returned by String.length() is 'int',
and is thus at most (2**31 - 1). This isn't a problem for strings,
which never get that long in practice, but for some other Java da
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Matthew Ruffalo wrote:
> Yes, length-unlimited strings are *extremely* useful in some
> applications. I remember bitterly cursing Java's string length limit of
> 2 ** 31 (maybe - 1) on multiple occasions. Python's strings seem to
> behave like integers in that thei
On 01/21/2015 02:06 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Irmen de Jong wrote:
>> On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>
>>> 3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length
>>> and
>>> were not limited to swomething arbitrary, like 256 character
On Wednesday, 21 January 2015 15:06:33 UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Irmen de Jong wrote:
> > On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
> >
> >> 3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length
> >> and
> >> were not limited to swomething a
Chris,
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python is. What do you do?
Some ideas where give
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Irmen de Jong wrote:
> On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> 3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length and
>> were not limited to swomething arbitrary, like 256 characters.
>
> Even more fun is that Python's primitive integer t
On Friday, 16 January 2015 11:04:20 UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
> S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
> the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
> minutes to show of
On 21-1-2015 18:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
> 3. When I started to look at it, I found that strings could be any length and
> were not limited to swomething arbitrary, like 256 characters.
Even more fun is that Python's primitive integer type (longs for older Python
versions)
has no arbitrary limita
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 02:03:57 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
>S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
>the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
>minutes to show off how awes
On 1/16/15 10:03 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python is. What
On 17/01/2015 1:03 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python is. Wh
On 1/16/2015 9:44 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> exact line of code that would
show off Python's awesomeness.
a,b = b,a
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On 2015-01-17 02:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Ideally, this should be something that can be demo'd quickly and
> easily, and it should be impressive without going into great details
> of "and see, this is how it works on the inside". So, how would you
> brag about this language?
First, I agree with
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Nice point!
> First class concrete data structures is a blessing especially for
> a C programmer.
Definitely! Worth noting.
There've been some nice concepts mentioned; concrete suggestions would
be good too. Some specific feature or exact lin
On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 10:51:52 PM UTC+5:30, Mirage Web Studio wrote:
> On 01/16/2015 08:33 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
> > S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
> > the whole idea of giving
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 4:24 PM CET Andrew Berg wrote:
>On 2015.01.16 09:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
>> S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
>> the whole idea of giving a
On 01/16/2015 08:33 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
> S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
> the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
> minutes to show off how awesome Pytho
On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 8:34:20 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
> S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
> the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
> minutes to
On 16/01/2015 16:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
minutes to show off how awesome Python is. What
Chris Angelico :
> Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
> S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
> the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
> minutes to show off how awesome Python is. What do you do?
My exp
On 2015.01.16 09:03, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Scenario: You're introducing someone to Python for the first time.
> S/he may have some previous programming experience, or may be new to
> the whole idea of giving a computer instructions. You have a couple of
> minutes to show off how awesome Python is
If you want to show off the REPL, I'd got for iPython and show them some
simple matplotlib examples (plotting sin waves, maybe dig up a CSV file on
the net with some data your friend is familiar with, etc)
Skip
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Scenario: You're introduci
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