Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-08-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 03/08/2015 02:27, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >> On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:34 am, Rick Johnson wrote: >> >>> So what? If i had to guess, i would guess that the hacks are >>> mostly to bring py3000 features to 2.7 >> >> >> These would be the featu

Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-08-02 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 03/08/2015 02:27, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:34 am, Rick Johnson wrote: So what? If i had to guess, i would guess that the hacks are mostly to bring py3000 features to 2.7 These would be the features of Python 3 that nobody needs and nobody wants because Python 2 is good

Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-08-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:34 am, Rick Johnson wrote: >> Just because company X is using 2.7, why does that mean >> that *you* shouldn't using 3.x? Surely you should make >> your own decision, based on your own needs. > > It's not just *ANY* company Steven, it's Guido's freaking > employer! That would

Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-08-02 Thread Rick Johnson
On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote: > Wind the clock back to 2012, when Guido was working for Google. > Dropbox wants him. Is he going to refuse the job unless they *first* > get onto Py3, or is he going to accept the job with a view to > migrating them? Well, i do

Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-08-02 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 3:05:09 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> If Dropbox were using Python 1.5, would you conclude that >> Python 2 was not worth developing in? > > No, if Dropbox were using py1.5, i would conclude that it was > be

Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-08-02 Thread Rick Johnson
On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 3:05:09 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > If Dropbox were using Python 1.5, would you conclude that > Python 2 was not worth developing in? No, if Dropbox were using py1.5, i would conclude that it was being managed by monkeys -- since Py1.5 existed before Dropbox w

Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-08-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 04:57 am, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 12:45:45 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> > Yep, even the BDFL is actively developing in 2.7! He's no fool. >> >> Of course not. Dropbox pay him to work on their systems, >> and he wants to keep his job. > >

Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-08-01 Thread Rick Johnson
On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 12:45:45 AM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Yep, even the BDFL is actively developing in 2.7! He's no fool. > > Of course not. Dropbox pay him to work on their systems, > and he wants to keep his job. Thanks for confirming my point that Python3 is not worth devel

Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-07-31 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 01:08 pm, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 1:33:36 AM UTC-5, Paul Rubin wrote: >> The Dropbox cluster runs a modified Python 2.7, he said, which >> elicited audience laughter. "I said it, it is no secret", he said. > > Yep, even the BDFL is actively developing

Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-07-31 Thread Rick Johnson
On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 1:33:36 AM UTC-5, Paul Rubin wrote: > The Dropbox cluster runs a modified Python 2.7, he said, which > elicited audience laughter. "I said it, it is no secret", he said. Yep, even the BDFL is actively developing in 2.7! He's no fool. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: GvR Europython keynote described on lwn.net

2015-07-31 Thread Rustom Mody
On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 12:03:36 PM UTC+5:30, Paul Rubin wrote: > The final question was about what he hates in Python. "Anything to do > with package distribution", he answered immediately. There are problems > with version skew and dependencies that just make for an "endless > mess". He dread