Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-30 Thread Devin Jeanpierre
> If you are more upset at my describing the Catholic Church as protecting > child molesters than you are at the Church for actually protecting child > molesters I'm not, and your rhetoric is ridiculous. Devin On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Devin Jeanpierre wrote: >

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > I also didn't reprimand anyone, except maybe Steven. If you are more upset at my describing the Catholic Church as protecting child molesters than you are at the Church for actually protecting child molesters, then your priorities are completely screwed up and your repri

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Ethan Furman
Ethan Furman wrote: Ben Finney wrote: But whoever takes that joke and says it's deliberately hurtful is being presumptuous and censorious and unreasonable. If they then castigate the joker for supposedly hurting someone's feelings, it's at that point the atmosphere turns hostile to discussion.

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread MRAB
On 30/09/2011 00:21, Ethan Furman wrote: Ben Finney wrote: But whoever takes that joke and says it's deliberately hurtful is being presumptuous and censorious and unreasonable. If they then castigate the joker for supposedly hurting someone's feelings, it's at that point the atmosphere turns hos

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Ethan Furman
Ben Finney wrote: But whoever takes that joke and says it's deliberately hurtful is being presumptuous and censorious and unreasonable. If they then castigate the joker for supposedly hurting someone's feelings, it's at that point the atmosphere turns hostile to discussion. Um, wasn't it Rantin

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > But anyway, no, we don't agree on what it means to be friendly or what > a hostile atmosphere is. I've noticed that people tend to be a lot > harsher here than what I'm used to, so perhaps your attitude to it is > more common on mailing-li

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Devin Jeanpierre
> There we disagree. The hurt feelings of someone who attaches their identity > to a text should not restrain our discourse. Yes, we do. > That would eliminate just about every joke: a huge range of jokes *depend* > for their humour on connecting seemingly-unrelated ideas. So by your logic, > we

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Ben Finney
On 29-Sep-2011, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > >> This was a technical discussion, and calling the bible a joke was not > >> necessary at all. It creates a hostile atmosphere. > > > > I disagree. It was not an attack on any person nor group of people. If > > we are to be required to avoid jokes not dire

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Ben Finney
MRAB writes: > On 29/09/2011 04:05, Ben Finney wrote: > > But the topic of keeping this forum safe for technical discussion > > entails that it must be safe for *any* idea to be the butt of a > > joke, be it a religious text or the Zen of Python, and that is very > > much on-topic. > > Even if it

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Westley Martínez
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 02:49:05PM -0400, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > >> This was a technical discussion, and calling the bible a joke was not > >> necessary at all. It creates a hostile atmosphere. > > > > I disagree. It was not an attack on any person nor group of people. If > > we are to be requir

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Petite Abeille
On Sep 29, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Navkirat Singh wrote: > I am looking for the python mailing list. . ? Have you guys seen it > somewhere? I think I accidently reached the cry-me-a-river list? The portal can be reactivated by intoning Bobby Brown Goes Down in unison. -- http://mail.python.org/mailm

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Ethan Furman
Petite Abeille wrote: On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: It could certainly be _interpreted_ as an attack (and was interpreted that way), and that's really all that's necessary for a hostile environment. In other news: http://alt.textdrive.com/assets/public/non/nq050616.gi

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Navkirat Singh
Hi, I am looking for the python mailing list. . ? Have you guys seen it somewhere? I think I accidently reached the cry-me-a-river list? Regards, Nav On Sep 30, 2011 1:03 AM, "Petite Abeille" wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > >> It could certainly be _interpreted_

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Petite Abeille
On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > It could certainly be _interpreted_ as an attack > (and was interpreted that way), and that's really all that's necessary > for a hostile environment. In other news: http://alt.textdrive.com/assets/public/non/nq050616.gif -- Tout le monde

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread Devin Jeanpierre
>> This was a technical discussion, and calling the bible a joke was not >> necessary at all. It creates a hostile atmosphere. > > I disagree. It was not an attack on any person nor group of people. If > we are to be required to avoid jokes not directed at people, then *that* > is an atmosphere hos

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-29 Thread MRAB
On 29/09/2011 04:05, Ben Finney wrote: Devin Jeanpierre writes: Forget money, or even the love of money. The idea that one mustn't criticise another person's beliefs is the root of all evil. This was a technical discussion, and calling the bible a joke was not necessary at all. It creates a

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief

2011-09-28 Thread Ben Finney
Devin Jeanpierre writes: > > Forget money, or even the love of money. The idea that one mustn't > > criticise another person's beliefs is the root of all evil. > > This was a technical discussion, and calling the bible a joke was not > necessary at all. It creates a hostile atmosphere. I disagre

Re: [OT] Benefit and belief [was Re: Suggested coding style]

2011-09-28 Thread Devin Jeanpierre
> Forget money, or even the love of money. The idea that one mustn't > criticise another person's beliefs is the root of all evil. This was a technical discussion, and calling the bible a joke was not necessary at all. It creates a hostile atmosphere. Can't you pick somewhere else to attack Chris