Re: You advice please

2008-08-19 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Hussein B a écrit : On Aug 15, 10:05 am, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hussein B a écrit : (snip) But this critisim looks so serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language#Criticism Most of what's written here could apply to Python too - all the part which mo

Re: You advice please

2008-08-18 Thread Hussein B
On Aug 15, 10:05 am, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hussein B a écrit : > (snip) > > > But this critisim looks so serious: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language#Criticism > > Most of what's written here could apply to Python too - all the part > which mostly re

Re: You advice please

2008-08-16 Thread Sonolin
On Aug 13, 4:14 am, Hussein B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, > I'm a Java/Java EE developer and I'm playing with Python these days. > I like the Python language so much and I like its communities and the > Django framework. > My friends are about to open a Ruby/Rails shop and they are asking me

Re: You advice please

2008-08-15 Thread castironpi
On Aug 15, 10:05 am, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hussein B a écrit : > (snip) > > > But this critisim looks so serious: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language#Criticism > (snip) > the usual paranoïa from bondage&discipline language addicts Ooo... well said.

Re: You advice please

2008-08-15 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Hussein B a écrit : (snip) But this critisim looks so serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language#Criticism Most of what's written here could apply to Python too - all the part which mostly reflects the usual paranoïa from bondage&discipline langages addicts wrt/ dynamic l

Re: You advice please

2008-08-15 Thread Lie
On Aug 13, 6:14 pm, Hussein B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, > I'm a Java/Java EE developer and I'm playing with Python these days. > I like the Python language so much and I like its communities and the > Django framework. > My friends are about to open a Ruby/Rails shop and they are asking me

Re: You advice please

2008-08-14 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080814 09:51], Bruno Desthuilliers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >I'm afraid I don't get the joke about Europeans ??? (ok, I'm gonna get >me some coffee and will try again...) I think what was meant is: Python has a strong following in Europe and a lot of Europeans are participating in eithe

Re: You advice please

2008-08-14 Thread Python.Arno
On 14 aug 2008, at 09:41, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: Fredrik Lundh a écrit : (snip) Oh, please. It's a fact that Python advocacy is a lot more low-key than the advocacy of certain potentially competing technologies. It's always been that way. Too many Europeans involved, most likely.

Re: You advice please

2008-08-14 Thread Hussein B
On Aug 13, 11:14 am, Alia Khouri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hussein B wrote: > > I'm a Java/Java EE developer and I'm playing with Python these days. > > I like the Python language so much and I like its communities and the > > Django framework. > > Sounds familiar... (-: > > > My friends are abo

Re: You advice please

2008-08-14 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Fredrik Lundh a écrit : (snip) Oh, please. It's a fact that Python advocacy is a lot more low-key than the advocacy of certain potentially competing technologies. It's always been that way. Too many Europeans involved, most likely. I'm afraid I don't get the joke about Europeans ??? (ok, I

Re: You advice please

2008-08-14 Thread Hussein B
On Aug 13, 8:08 am, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: > Hussein B a écrit : > (snip) > > > > > Personally, I don't like the RoR framework at all. > > It doesn't come with any thing new or revolutionary, > > You could say the same about Python and about Django. None of them come > with anything new or rev

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread David C. Ullrich
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ken Starks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hussein B wrote: >[...] > > And now it looks as if I shall wish to learn another little language, at > least to 'dabble-in' level: Lua, because it is going to srcipt a new > variation in the TeX world. That sounded interest

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Alia Khouri
Hussein B wrote: > I'm a Java/Java EE developer and I'm playing with Python these days. > I like the Python language so much and I like its communities and the > Django framework. Sounds familiar... (-: > My friends are about to open a Ruby/Rails shop and they are asking me > to join them. In t

RE: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Michael . Coll-Barth
> -Original Message- > From: Calvin Spealman > > God forbid I try to make a joke. No kidding! As a lurker newbie, I don't mind one bit. Actually, I have yet to meet a person that codes in Ruby that doesn't also do Python. I have met many Python coders that have never even looked at

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Nigel Rantor
Calvin Spealman wrote: God forbid I try to make a joke. Ah, sorry, sense of humour failure for me today obviously. n -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Nigel Rantor
Fredrik Lundh wrote: Nigel Rantor wrote: Throwaway comments like yours that are pithy, emotional and devoid of any factual content are just the kind of thing that makes lists such as this less useful than they could be. Oh, please. It's a fact that Python advocacy is a lot more low-key than

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Ken Starks
Hussein B wrote: Hey, I'm a Java/Java EE developer and I'm playing with Python these days. I like the Python language so much and I like its communities and the Django framework. My friends are about to open a Ruby/Rails shop and they are asking me to join them. I don't know what, sure I'm not le

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Nigel Rantor wrote: Throwaway comments like yours that are pithy, emotional and devoid of any factual content are just the kind of thing that makes lists such as this less useful than they could be. Oh, please. It's a fact that Python advocacy is a lot more low-key than the advocacy of cert

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Calvin Spealman
God forbid I try to make a joke. On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Nigel Rantor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >> Ruby (on Rails) people love to talk about Ruby (on Rails). >> >> Python people are too busy getting things done to talk as loudly. > > Have you read this list?

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Nigel Rantor
Calvin Spealman wrote: Ruby (on Rails) people love to talk about Ruby (on Rails). Python people are too busy getting things done to talk as loudly. Have you read this list? I would suggest your comment indicates not. Throwaway comments like yours that are pithy, emotional and devoid of any

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Calvin Spealman
Ruby (on Rails) people love to talk about Ruby (on Rails). Python people are too busy getting things done to talk as loudly. On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:04 AM, D'Arcy J.M. Cain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:47:58 +0200 > "Álvaro G. Vicario" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But I

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:47:58 +0200 "Álvaro G. Vicario" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But I've never came across a Ruby app. Sure, I know Ruby exists and > people are very enthusiastic about it (though they often mistake it with > Ruby on Rails), but that's all. > > Ruby is popular among bloggers

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Hussein B a écrit : (snip) Personally, I don't like the RoR framework at all. It doesn't come with any thing new or revolutionary, You could say the same about Python and about Django. None of them come with anything new or revolutionary. And both have warts too. they just take the hard l

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Hussein B
On Aug 13, 7:50 am, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: > Hussein B a écrit : > > > Hey, > > I'm a Java/Java EE developer and I'm playing with Python these days. > > I like the Python language so much and I like its communities and the > > Django framework. > > My friends are about to open a Ruby/Rails sho

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Hussein B a écrit : Hey, I'm a Java/Java EE developer and I'm playing with Python these days. I like the Python language so much and I like its communities and the Django framework. My friends are about to open a Ruby/Rails shop and they are asking me to join them. I don't know what, sure I'm not

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Hussein B
On Aug 13, 7:40 am, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: > Álvaro G. Vicario a écrit : > > > > > Hussein B escribió: > >> The sad fact (at least to me), Ruby is getting a lot of attention > >> these days. > >> Why Python isn't getting this attention although is a much more mature > >> language and it is use

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Álvaro G. Vicario a écrit : Hussein B escribió: The sad fact (at least to me), Ruby is getting a lot of attention these days. Why Python isn't getting this attention although is a much more mature language and it is used by many big, big names? And do I dare to say it is much more charming? Th

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080813 14:01], Hussein B ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >So do you advice me to join them? I will never say yes or no to such a question. Such choices are choices only you can make since you know the whole story. Personally I found Python nicer than Ruby to program in. And I even started with R

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Hussein B
On Aug 13, 6:51 am, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <[EMAIL PROTECTED] nomine.org> wrote: > -On [20080813 13:16], Hussein B ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > >My friends are about to open a Ruby/Rails shop and they are asking me > >to join them. > > I hope they are fully aware of the scaling problems Ro

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
-On [20080813 13:16], Hussein B ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >My friends are about to open a Ruby/Rails shop and they are asking me >to join them. I hope they are fully aware of the scaling problems RoR can have. >Why Python isn't getting this attention although is a much more mature >language and

Re: You advice please

2008-08-13 Thread Álvaro G. Vicario
Hussein B escribió: The sad fact (at least to me), Ruby is getting a lot of attention these days. Why Python isn't getting this attention although is a much more mature language and it is used by many big, big names? And do I dare to say it is much more charming? The opinion of a PHP developer