Stephane Tougard writes:
> ...
> It's normal, he was an ass. When I manage a team, I don't enforce tools
> or language, I ask them to work the best way they can to get the things
> done. If they want to write C in Perl (as I often do), I'm happy. If
> they prefer Ruby (that I never learnt), or Li
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 03:18:44PM +0800, Stephane Tougard via Python-list
wrote:
> On 2020-09-27, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com
> <2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote:
> > As ChrisA noted, Python almost always Just Works without declarations.
> > If you find yourself with a lot of glo
On 2020-09-27, Stephane Tougard via Python-list wrote:
> However, I discovered that Emacs interprets as well an empty line or a
> comment as a breaking point of a block, it's not as good as the use of
> pass because I still have to indent up manually, but at least the
> indent-region does not bre
On 2020-09-27, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 9/26/2020 3:36 PM, Stephane Tougard via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2020-09-26, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>> Noise. Only 'pass' when there is no other code.
>>
>> Why ?
>>
>> I use pass and continue each time to break a if or a for because emacs
>> understands it
On 2020-09-27, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> and so forth. What I discovered in fairly short order was that it made
> it easier for me to read my own code, but did absolutely nothing for
> either me reading other people's code, nor for them reading mine. I
> eventually concluded my best move was to just
On 2020-09-27, MRAB wrote:
>> If a extremist Pythonist takes over my code some day, he'll have to
>> search and delete hundreds of useless pass. I laugh already thinking
>> about it.
> He could write some code to do it.
I would do it in Perl, LOL.
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On 2020-09-27, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> - http://localhost:2015/tutorial/controlflow.html#pass-statements
...
> (In comparison to guys like ChrisA and StefanR and others here I am also
> a Python beginner)
To give me a pointer on your localhost, I could guess.
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On 2020-09-27, Grant Edwards wrote:
> Maybe you need to choose different editors and tools.
In my world, humans don't adapt to tools but human adapt tools to their
needs.
> A guy I worked for many years ago used to write BASIC programs in C by
> using a bizarre set of pre-processor macros. Whil
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 13:39:08 +0800
Stephane Tougard wrote:
> On 2020-09-28, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 05:20:20 +0800
> > Stephane Tougard wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-09-27, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> >> > -
> >> > http://localhost:2015/tutorial/controlflow.html#pass-statements
> >
Am 28.09.20 um 07:38 schrieb Stephane Tougard:
On 2020-09-28, MRAB wrote:
It's used where the language requires a statement.
In, say, C, you would use empty braces:
while (process_next_item()) {
/* Do nothing. */
}
If I want to express nothing in C, I put nothing and i
On 2020-09-28, Mike Dewhirst wrote:
> [1] If you live with Perl non-stop I agree Perl code can be read in
> future. But it requires allocation of serious brain-space for me at
> least to come back to it.
Let's be franc, I can read my own Perl code (very C-ish) without any
issue. I live with it si
On 2020-09-28, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> That said, Stephane: I don't believe in "best practice" as _the_ best
> practice, but I certainly believe there's "bad practice".
I kind of disagree with that, what I mean that there is no bad practice
to get the work done. There may be bad practice to wri
On 2020-09-28, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 05:20:20 +0800
> Stephane Tougard wrote:
>
>> On 2020-09-27, Manfred Lotz wrote:
>> > - http://localhost:2015/tutorial/controlflow.html#pass-statements
>> ...
>> > (In comparison to guys like ChrisA and StefanR and others here I am
>> >
On 2020-09-28, MRAB wrote:
> It's used where the language requires a statement.
>
> In, say, C, you would use empty braces:
>
> while (process_next_item()) {
> /* Do nothing. */
> }
If I want to express nothing in C, I put nothing and it works fine.
#include
int main(int arg
On 28/09/2020 12:56 pm, Stephane Tougard via Python-list wrote:
> On 2020-09-27, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>> In many non declarative language, if I do print($var), it just prints
>>> and undefined value with returning an error.
>> And that way lie MANY MANY bugs not detected until an undefined valu
On 28Sep2020 13:43, Chris Angelico wrote:
>On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:31 PM Stephane Tougard via Python-list
> wrote:
>> To be frank, I don't really care the rules and supposed best practices,
>> I use a language the way it fits me. So I'll pass on the advices like
>> "we never use this like this"
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 12:31 PM Stephane Tougard via Python-list
wrote:
> To be frank, I don't really care the rules and supposed best practices,
> I use a language the way it fits me. So I'll pass on the advices like
> "we never use this like this" without more reason that "we just don't do
> it
On 2020-09-28 03:53, Stephane Tougard via Python-list wrote:
On 2020-09-27, Chris Angelico wrote:
Or maybe Emacs *isn't* breaking it, and it's just an autoindentation
thing. I don't know.
From the discussion I read about this feature, it considers that 'pass' is
use to write an empty def()
On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 05:20:20 +0800
Stephane Tougard wrote:
> On 2020-09-27, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > - http://localhost:2015/tutorial/controlflow.html#pass-statements
> ...
> > (In comparison to guys like ChrisA and StefanR and others here I am
> > also a Python beginner)
>
> To give me a po
On 2020-09-27, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Or maybe Emacs *isn't* breaking it, and it's just an autoindentation
> thing. I don't know.
>From the discussion I read about this feature, it considers that 'pass' is
use to write an empty def()
def();
pass
So it's logic for it to indent one level
On 2020-09-27, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>>In many non declarative language, if I do print($var), it just prints
>>and undefined value with returning an error.
>
> And that way lie MANY MANY bugs not detected until an undefined value
> actually causes an issue, if that ever happens. In some language
On 2020-09-27, Terry Reedy wrote:
> emacs with python-mode has been and likely still is used by some
> experienced python programmers. I have never seen anyone but a rank
Yes, since I discovered that an empty has almost the same effect than a
pass to end a block.
> The 'pass' line does not mar
On 2020-09-27, Avi Gross wrote:
> But when someone insists Python needs to
> change to meet their preconception, I get less sympathetic.
To clarify my question, I never asked that Python changes for me, I
asked if there was any way to change Python's behavior by using a module
or a configuration
On 27/09/20 10:27 pm, Stephane Tougard wrote:
That's not a question of editor, that's a question of having a clear way
to mark the end of a block, I guess the Emacs maintener found this way
and I think it's a great idea.
I doubt whether the authors of the Emacs python-mode had this way
of using
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 9:41 PM Manfred Lotz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 15:18:44 +0800
> Stephane Tougard wrote:
>
> > On 2020-09-27, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com
> > <2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote:
> > > As ChrisA noted, Python almost always Just Works without
> > > declara
On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:50 AM Stephane Tougard via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 2020-09-27, Stefan Ram wrote:
> >>Is there any other instruction to end a if than pass and ensure Emacs
> >>does not break the indentation during a copy paste or an indent-region ?
> >
> > We usually do not wish to t
On 2020-09-27 10:27, Stephane Tougard via Python-list wrote:
On 2020-09-27, Stefan Ram wrote:
Is there any other instruction to end a if than pass and ensure Emacs
does not break the indentation during a copy paste or an indent-region ?
We usually do not wish to tie our code to a defective
On 2020-09-27, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>Is there any other instruction to end a if than pass and ensure Emacs
>>does not break the indentation during a copy paste or an indent-region ?
>
> We usually do not wish to tie our code to a defective editor.
> I use vi, and can assure you that there is no
On 9/26/2020 3:36 PM, Stephane Tougard via Python-list wrote:
On 2020-09-26, Terry Reedy wrote:
Noise. Only 'pass' when there is no other code.
Why ?
I use pass and continue each time to break a if or a for because emacs
understands it and do not break the indentation.
Is there any othe
On 2020-09-27, Chris Angelico wrote:
> If you MUST use a block-end marker, try "# end" instead - at least
> then everyone *knows* it's nothing more than a comment.
Damn, you could not say that earlier !!!
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On 2020-09-27, Stephane Tougard via Python-list wrote:
> an indentation is not good enough for me to end a block
Maybe you need to choose a different language -- one that has block
delimiter keywords or tokens.
> and it may
> trigger some problem when using different editors or tools on the
> c
On 27Sep2020 15:18, Stephane Tougard wrote:
>In many non declarative language, if I do print($var), it just prints
>and undefined value with returning an error.
And that way lie MANY MANY bugs not detected until an undefined value
actually causes an issue, if that ever happens. In some languages
On 9/27/20 4:42 PM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> Am 26.09.20 um 06:43 schrieb Stephane Tougard:
>> ===PYTHON===
>> #!/usr/local/bin/python
>> if 4 == 4:
>> name = "Stephane"
>> print(name)
>> pass
>>
>> print("Out {}".format(name))
>>
>>
>> The exact same code in Python
Am 26.09.20 um 06:43 schrieb Stephane Tougard:
===PYTHON===
#!/usr/local/bin/python
if 4 == 4:
name = "Stephane"
print(name)
pass
print("Out {}".format(name))
The exact same code in Python works fine, the variable name is used
outside of the if block even it has been
es are often
made for other reasons such as how easy the creators can implement things
even if the result is harder to program some things in.
Avi
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Stephane Tougard writes:
> On 2020-09-27, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>Is there any other instruction to end a if than pass and ensure Emacs
>>>does not break the indentation during a copy paste or an indent-region ?
>>
>> We usually do not wish to tie our code to a defective editor.
>> I use vi, an
On 2020-09-27 at 15:18:44 +0800,
Stephane Tougard via Python-list wrote:
> In many non declarative language, if I do print($var), it just prints
> and undefined value with returning an error.
If I want "many non declarative language[s]," I know where to find them,
and I won't expect them to hono
On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 15:18:44 +0800
Stephane Tougard wrote:
> On 2020-09-27, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com
> <2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote:
> > As ChrisA noted, Python almost always Just Works without
> > declarations. If you find yourself with a lot of global and/or
> > nonlocal
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 9:01 PM Stephane Tougard via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 2020-09-27, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com
> <2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote:
> > As ChrisA noted, Python almost always Just Works without declarations.
> > If you find yourself with a lot of global and/
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 9:01 PM Stephane Tougard via Python-list
wrote:
>
> On 2020-09-27, Stefan Ram wrote:
> >>Is there any other instruction to end a if than pass and ensure Emacs
> >>does not break the indentation during a copy paste or an indent-region ?
> >
> > We usually do not wish to t
On 2020-09-27, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>Is there any other instruction to end a if than pass and ensure Emacs
>>does not break the indentation during a copy paste or an indent-region ?
>
> We usually do not wish to tie our code to a defective editor.
> I use vi, and can assure you that there is no
On 2020-09-27, 2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com
<2qdxy4rzwzuui...@potatochowder.com> wrote:
> As ChrisA noted, Python almost always Just Works without declarations.
> If you find yourself with a lot of global and/or nonlocal statements,
> perhaps you're [still] thinking in another language.
I
On 2020-09-27 at 03:36:48 +0800,
Stephane Tougard via Python-list wrote:
> Anyway, there's no perfect language, the point is to know it ...
Yes.
> ... It's just confusing I still have to declare or not declare an
> object depending on the action I have with it.
As ChrisA noted, Python almost a
On 2020-09-26, Terry Reedy wrote:
> Noise. Only 'pass' when there is no other code.
Why ?
I use pass and continue each time to break a if or a for because emacs
understands it and do not break the indentation.
Is there any other instruction to end a if than pass and ensure Emacs
does not break
On 9/26/2020 12:43 AM, Stephane Tougard via Python-list wrote:
[Example of Perl block scoping.]
===PYTHON===
#!/usr/local/bin/python
if 4 == 4:
if True: # Only usefel in Python if you might might to switch to False.
name = "Stephane"
print(name)
pass
Noise. Only 'pass' wh
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 4:01 PM Stephane Tougard via Python-list
wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I've been working with Perl a long time and recently started to use
> Python. I've been surprised by one behavior of Python.
>
> In Perl:
>
> ===PERL===
> #!/usr/pkg/bin/perl
>
> use strict;
>
> if(4 == 4)
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 2:01 AM Stephane Tougard via Python-list
wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I've been working with Perl a long time and recently started to use
> Python. I've been surprised by one behavior of Python.
>
> In Perl:
>
> ===PERL===
> #!/usr/pkg/bin/perl
>
> use strict;
>
> if(4 == 4)
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