Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

Bloody hell! This is the most persistent troll I've seen to date. He expected to get a raging army of pythoners after him, but people are just laughing at him. This is a mailing list, not a novel, so colloquialisms are welcome. The language on a mailing list should be informal and not necessarily g

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano < steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > David Monaghan wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick > > wrote: > > > >>If conciseness is all you seek then perhaps you prefer the following? > >> > >>ORIGINAL: "I used t

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 16, 7:33 pm, John Gordon wrote: > In > rantingrick writes: > > > > "wore" means you have worn them in the past. > > > > "used to wear" means you have worn them in the past AND don't intend > > > to do so again. > > Actually that assertion is wrong. > > No one can predict the future. Not

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

David Monaghan wrote: > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick > wrote: > >>If conciseness is all you seek then perhaps you prefer the following? >> >>ORIGINAL: "I used to wear wooden shoes" >>CONCISE: "I wore wooden shoes" > >>ORIGINAL: "I have become used to wearing wooden sho

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Tim Chase wrote: > On 08/16/2011 07:33 PM, John Gordon wrote: >> >> I stand by my assertion that the phrase "I used to do X" carries the >> meaning that you have done X in the past but DO NOT INTEND to do so >> in the future. > > I'd tweak the meaning to be somethi

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 08/16/2011 07:33 PM, John Gordon wrote: I stand by my assertion that the phrase "I used to do X" carries the meaning that you have done X in the past but DO NOT INTEND to do so in the future. I'd tweak the meaning to be something like "I did X regularly in the past and I no longer do it reg

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

In rantingrick writes: > > "wore" means you have worn them in the past. > > > > "used to wear" means you have worn them in the past AND don't intend > > to do so again. > Actually that assertion is wrong. > No one can predict the future. Not even YOU can predict whether or not Of course -- t

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 16, 6:25 pm, John Gordon wrote: > In > rantingrick writes: > > > > >  ORIGINAL1: "I used to wear wooden shoes" > > > > CONCISE_1a: "I wore wooden shoes" > > "wore" do

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:12:53 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick wrote: >On Aug 16, 4:55 pm, David Monaghan wrote: >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick >> >> wrote: >> >If conciseness is all you seek then perhaps you prefer the following? >> >> >ORIGINAL: "I used to wear wooden shoes"

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

In rantingrick writes: > > ORIGINAL1: "I used to wear wooden shoes" > > CONCISE_1a: "I wore wooden shoes" "wore" does not convey the same meaning as "used to wear." "wor

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 16, 4:55 pm, David Monaghan wrote: > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick > > wrote: > >If conciseness is all you seek then perhaps you prefer the following? > > >ORIGINAL: "I used to wear wooden shoes" > >CONCISE:  "I wore wooden shoes" > >ORIGINAL: "I have become used to

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT), rantingrick wrote: >If conciseness is all you seek then perhaps you prefer the following? > >ORIGINAL: "I used to wear wooden shoes" >CONCISE: "I wore wooden shoes" >ORIGINAL: "I have become used to wearing wooden shoes" >CONCISE: "I like wearing woode

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 16, 1:37 pm, "Martin P. Hellwig" wrote: > Well admittedly English isn't my native language, But indeed all > sentences seem correct to me. > > With the first sentence meaning: in the past I wore wooden shoes, but > presently I do not. > > With the second sentence meaning: in the past I was

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 16/08/2011 19:37, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: On 16/08/2011 18:51, Prasad, Ramit wrote: Incorrect past tense usage of "used to": """ I "used to" wear wooden shoes """ Incorrect description using "used to": """ I have become "used to" wearing wooden shoes """ Correct usage of "used to": """

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: > With the second sentence meaning: in the past I was not used to (i.e. > uncomfortable, hey bonus points!) wearing wooden shoes, but presently I am > used to it (although not necessarily comfortable, but at least not > uncomfortable). > T

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 16/08/2011 18:51, Prasad, Ramit wrote: Incorrect past tense usage of "used to": """ I "used to" wear wooden shoes """ Incorrect description using "used to": """ I have become "used to" wearing wooden shoes """ Correct usage of "used to": """ Wooden shoes can be "used to" torture someone

RE: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

ist-bounces+ramit.prasad=jpmorgan....@python.org] On Behalf Of rantingrick Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:06 AM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member. On Aug 16, 2:07 am, alex23 wrote: > All the way down indeed. Can you pick who said thes

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 16, 2:07 am, alex23 wrote: > All the way down indeed. Can you pick who said these? Obviously your grep skills are superb however you need to brush up on those reading and comprehension skills a bit. > "There are noobs watching and we to provide code that can be used to > teach!" Yes i s

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

rantingrick wrote: > These specific phrases i have pointed out ("used to" and "supposed > to") are a result of a mind choosing the easy way out instead of > putting in the wee bit more effort required to express one's self in > an articulate manner. Also these two phrases are quite prolifically >

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 15, 7:48 pm, Gregory Ewing wrote: > rantingrick wrote: > > "Used to" and "supposed to" is the verbiage of children > > and idiots. > > So when we reach a certain age we're meant to abandon > short, concise and idomatic ways of speaking, and substitute > long words and phrases to make oursel

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011-08-16, Roy Smith wrote: > In article <9att9mf71...@mid.individual.net>, > Gregory Ewing wrote: > >> I don't mind people using e.g. and i.e. as long >> as they use them *correctly*. > > The only correct way to use i.e. is to use it to download a better > browser. Similarly: Boy, is the

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

In article <9att9mf71...@mid.individual.net>, Gregory Ewing wrote: > I don't mind people using e.g. and i.e. as long > as they use them *correctly*. The only correct way to use i.e. is to use it to download a better browser. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 16/08/2011 01:52, Gregory Ewing wrote: I don't mind people using e.g. and i.e. as long as they use them *correctly*. Many times people use i.e. when they really mean e.g. Can you give me an example? :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:48 am Gregory Ewing wrote: > rantingrick wrote: >> "Used to" and "supposed to" is the verbiage of children >> and idiots. > > So when we reach a certain age we're meant to abandon > short, concise and idomatic ways of speaking, and substitute > long words and phrases to mak

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

In article <9att2bf71...@mid.individual.net>, Gregory Ewing wrote: > rantingrick wrote: > > "Used to" and "supposed to" is the verbiage of children > > and idiots. > > So when we reach a certain age we're meant to abandon > short, concise and idomatic ways of speaking, and substitute > long wor

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

I don't mind people using e.g. and i.e. as long as they use them *correctly*. Many times people use i.e. when they really mean e.g. -- Greg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

rantingrick wrote: "Used to" and "supposed to" is the verbiage of children and idiots. So when we reach a certain age we're meant to abandon short, concise and idomatic ways of speaking, and substitute long words and phrases to make ourselves sound adult and educated? -- Greg -- http://mail.py

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011-08-15, MRAB wrote: > On 15/08/2011 17:18, Lucio Santi wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Neil Cerutti > > wrote: >> >> On 2011-08-14, Chris Angelico > > wrote: >> > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Irmen de Jong >>

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 15/08/2011 17:18, Lucio Santi wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Neil Cerutti mailto:ne...@norwich.edu>> wrote: On 2011-08-14, Chris Angelico mailto:ros...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Irmen de Jong mailto:irmen.nos...@xs4all.nl>> wrote: >> On

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote: > On 2011-08-14, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Irmen de Jong > wrote: > >> On 14-8-2011 7:57, rantingrick wrote: > >>> 8. Use "e.g." as many times as you can! (e.g. e.g.) If you use "e.g." > >>> more than ten time

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011-08-14, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Irmen de Jong wrote: >> On 14-8-2011 7:57, rantingrick wrote: >>> 8. Use "e.g." as many times as you can! (e.g. e.g.) If you use "e.g." >>> more than ten times in a single post, you will get an invite to >>> Guido's next birt

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011-08-15, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > And yet, here you are, engaging him in conversation and feeding him the > attention he craves :( Many cultures have a tradition of almsgiving. -s -- Copyright 2011, all wrongs reversed. Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@seebs.net http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

I can't tell which comments are sarcastic On Aug 14, 2011, at 18:35, rantingrick wrote: > On Aug 14, 5:01 pm, Dave Angel wrote: > >> Interesting that when you complain about other's grammatical typos, >> you're so careless with your own. >> >> know -> now >> i -> I >> accustom -> accustomed >

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 14, 7:56 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: > > I think you need to start a blog, Rick. > > You'd be easier to ignore. > > And yet, here you are, engaging him in conversation and feeding him the > attention he craves :( Yes, Steven loves rule # 2. Second only to the strawme

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 14, 5:01 pm, Dave Angel wrote: > Interesting that when you complain about other's grammatical typos, > you're so careless with your own. > > know -> now > i -> I > accustom -> accustomed > the this -> this > > I'm inclined to ignore typos in emails except in the case where the > intent is

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

Chris Angelico wrote: > I think you need to start a blog, Rick. > > You'd be easier to ignore. And yet, here you are, engaging him in conversation and feeding him the attention he craves :( -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Dave Angel wrote: > I'm inclined to ignore typos in emails except in the case where the intent > is to abuse others. > +1 QOTW. It is, however, a well-known tradition that spelling/grammar flames should contain one spelling/grammer error. Oh, I just did it myse

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, rantingrick wrote: On Aug 14, 12:57 am, rantingrick wrote: 9. Never use the word "previously" or the phrase "in the past"; just dumb it down with "used to". I had forgot to mention one other usage of "used to": WRONG: "I used to not like indention but know i am ver

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

Chris Angelico wrote: I lolled about this one, e.g. I laughed out loud. But where are the tulips and windmills > for extra credit? > > Greetings from a Dutchman! Is partial credit available for part-Dutch people, e.g. those with at least two grandparents from Holland? ... do we get extra c

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 08/14/2011 12:38 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 6:21 PM, rantingrick wrote: WRONG: "We are supposed to write clean code but i am not used to that" RIGHT: "We are required to write clean code however i am not accustom to that way of thinking. Since when are we required t

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 6:21 PM, rantingrick wrote: > > WRONG: "We are supposed to write clean code but i am not used to that" > RIGHT: "We are required to write clean code however i am not accustom > to that way of thinking. > Since when are we required to write clean code? If I write unclean co

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Aug 14, 12:57 am, rantingrick wrote: > 9. Never use the word "previously" or the phrase "in the past"; just > dumb it down with "used to". I had forgot to mention one other usage of "used to": WRONG: "I used to not like indention but know i am very used to it" RIGHT: "Previously i lamented f

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

I'd like to post a detailed response, e.g. a point-by-point engagement with Rantingrick's list, but as I lack time, this will have to suffice: http://xkcd.com/386/ There! Can I get my community pin now? :-) -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailm

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Irmen de Jong wrote: > On 14-8-2011 7:57, rantingrick wrote: >> 8. Use "e.g." as many times as you can! (e.g. e.g.) If you use "e.g." >> more than ten times in a single post, you will get an invite to >> Guido's next birthday party; where you'll be forced to do sho

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 14-8-2011 7:57, rantingrick wrote: > 8. Use "e.g." as many times as you can! (e.g. e.g.) If you use "e.g." > more than ten times in a single post, you will get an invite to > Guido's next birthday party; where you'll be forced to do shots whist > walking the balcony railing wearing wooden shoes!

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Alister Ware wrote: > That would mark the first constructive action from rantingnick ever > > Surely that would mark the end of the sentient universe? Only if he actually did it. Many's the time people have called for him to write a PEP, or (better still) to writ

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:54:44 -0500, Andrew Berg wrote: > On 2011.08.14 12:57 AM, rantingrick wrote: >> Follow these simply rules to become an accepted member of the Python >> community. > Sounds good. You should consider submitting this as a PEP. That would mark the first constructive action from

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011-08-14, rantingrick wrote: > Follow these simply rules to become an accepted member of the Python > community. > 1. Bash rantingrick and Xah Lee every chance you get. ... If I'd known you were in the same category as him, I wouldn't have needed to wait until now to know to plonk you. -s

Re: Ten rules to becoming a Python community member.

On 2011.08.14 12:57 AM, rantingrick wrote: > Follow these simply rules to become an accepted member of the Python > community. Sounds good. You should consider submitting this as a PEP. -- CPython 3.2.1 | Windows NT 6.1.7601.17592 | Thunderbird 5.0 PGP/GPG Public Key ID: 0xF88E034060A78FCB -- ht