"r" wrote:
>I think you missed my point Steven, I was in no way proud of the fact
>of my 9th place rating. It just proves my point to the small following
>of this group. And frankly makes me feel bad.
This spurt of high frequency posts is something that seems to happen
to most newcomers to the g
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM, r wrote:
>
> School time son,
> This forum is much more than a question answer session, son. Sure
> people are welcome to ask a Python related question. But this forum is
> really the main highway of Python development and future. If your a
> n00b go to the "Pyth
On Dec 24, 1:19 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:06:35 -0800, the anonymous troll known only as "r"
> replied to Thorsten Kampe and said:
>
> > Thats "Thurstan", thank you very much! :)
>
> I think Thorsten knows how to spell his own name.
>
> --
> Steven
OK Steven, you caught
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:06:35 -0800, the anonymous troll known only as "r"
replied to Thorsten Kampe and said:
> Thats "Thurstan", thank you very much! :)
I think Thorsten knows how to spell his own name.
--
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r wrote:
> > I've already stated, and you've already proven, that it's pretty trivial
> > to ascertain my true identity, if one actually cares. OTOH, that's
> > *not* the case with you. Who is hiding now?
>
> I told you, my name is Thurstan Howell III. Do you want to know my
> favorite color t
Benjamin Kaplin wrote:
You're the one who keeps bringing up the need to spread python. For
most people, this is a forum to ask questions and have experts respond
to them. Most people who post here aren't looking for your opinion,
they want answers. If you know the answer to a question, answer it. I
On Dec 23, 8:21 am, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> You don't have a single clue about neither Python nor Ruby:
> 'According to the Ruby FAQ, "If you like Perl, you will like Ruby and be
> right at home with its syntax. [...] If you like Python, you may or may
> not be put off by the huge difference in de
On Dec 23, 10:12 am, je.s.t...@hehxduhmp.org wrote:
> r wrote:
> > You are the epitimy of an internet troll. A troll tries to hide his
> > identity. Why are you so concerned about your TRUE identity. Are the
>
> I've already stated, and you've already proven, that it's pretty trivial
> to ascertai
On Dec 23, 8:21 am, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> * r (Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:44:32 -0800 (PST))>
>
> > Steve Holden
> > > What makes you assume this is a zero-sum game, and that Python won't
> > > survive if any other language becomes popular. Every language borrows
> > > from those that came before it. T
r wrote in
news:ae1bb365-7755-4c5f-8166-e704c51a7...@i20g2000prf.googlegro
ups.com:
>
> Oh Steve... Listen, my words are ment as a wake-up-call to
> all who still love Python, and i believe you are one of
> them. Maybe old age has slowed your hand, that's OK, Us
> "youngsters" will take the hel
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:05 AM, r wrote:
> On Dec 22, 10:09 pm, Ben Kaplan wrote:
> > That's just because most of us don't say anything unless we have
> > something useful to say. We prefer to let the experts answer the
> > questions, but we read the threads so we can benefit from them.
>
> OK
* r (Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:44:32 -0800 (PST))>
> Steve Holden
> > What makes you assume this is a zero-sum game, and that Python won't
> > survive if any other language becomes popular. Every language borrows
> > from those that came before it. Terms like "outright plagiarism" don't
> > encourage ra
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:05:22 -0800, r wrote:
> On Dec 22, 10:09 pm, Ben Kaplan wrote:
>> That's just because most of us don't say anything unless we have
>> something useful to say. We prefer to let the experts answer the
>> questions, but we read the threads so we can benefit from them.
>
> OK
On Dec 23, 2:33 am, "Hendrik van Rooyen" wrote:
> "r" wrote:
> >Now thats the kind of friendly banter this group could use. Instead of
> >people acting as if their bowel-movements smell like bakery fresh
> >cinnamon rolls!
>
> What an amazing thing to say!
>
> Doesn't yours?
>
> - Hendrik
You th
"r" wrote::
> The writing is on the Wall!
Yes it is, and as always, it says :
Mene, mene, tekel epharsim.
If my protestant upbringing hasn't failed me,
it means:
Weighed, and found wanting.
- Hendrik
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"r" wrote:
>Now thats the kind of friendly banter this group could use. Instead of
>people acting as if their bowel-movements smell like bakery fresh
>cinnamon rolls!
What an amazing thing to say!
Doesn't yours?
- Hendrik
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Steve Holden a écrit :
walterbyrd wrote:
[...]>> Fooled by version numbers ?
No, but I am giving django the benefit of the doubt. The django
project told people all along that django was not to be considered
production ready before 1.0. I will accept that some people decided to
wait until 1.0 ca
s...@pobox.com writes:
> If you look back at the Tour de France results from the 80's I
> believe Greg Lemond won it one year without ever winning a stage.
Well I think it was actually in 1990, his last win sadly.
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:35:42 -, Grant Edwards wrote:
IIRC, Python came pre-installed on my IBM Thinkpad. However,
it wasn't anyplace the average user would stumble across it...
The suggestively named "IBMTOOLS" directory, I believe :-)
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On Dec 22, 10:09 pm, Ben Kaplan wrote:
> That's just because most of us don't say anything unless we have
> something useful to say. We prefer to let the experts answer the
> questions, but we read the threads so we can benefit from them.
OK Ben, So you are saying
1.) do not question the god
The average user thinks python is only a very large snake!
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On 2008-12-22, Joe Strout wrote:
> Alvin ONeal wrote:
>
>> Also worthy of mention:
>> I've seen python pre-installed on consumer HP desktops (I think as
>> part of a backup/restore script, but I'm not sure)
>
> It's pre-installed on every Mac (both desktop and laptop), too.
IIRC, Python came pre-
On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:51 PM, r wrote:
On Dec 22, 7:34 pm, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:01:21 -0800, r wrote:
Walter,
I just look at the stats for comp.lang.python, and i am 9th place
for
most post this month.
And about 9,000th place for useful information.
--
Steven
On Dec 22, 7:34 pm, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:01:21 -0800, r wrote:
> > Walter,
> > I just look at the stats for comp.lang.python, and i am 9th place for
> > most post this month.
>
> And about 9,000th place for useful information.
>
> --
> Steven
I think you missed my point
On Dec 22, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Joe Strout wrote:
Alvin ONeal wrote:
Also worthy of mention:
I've seen python pre-installed on consumer HP desktops (I think as
part of a backup/restore script, but I'm not sure)
It's pre-installed on every Mac (both desktop and laptop), too.
Mac and a lot of
> > Alvin ONeal wrote:
> > > Also worthy of mention:
> > > I've seen python pre-installed on consumer HP desktops (I think as
> > > part of a backup/restore script, but I'm not sure)
> >
> > It's pre-installed on every Mac (both desktop and laptop), too.
> I am using a Vista HP right now that cam
r wrote:
> [Jeff]
> but I raise the bar so that any random joker probably won't bother
> (and making the reverse mapping - knowing my real identity and then
> looking for recent net activity - is much more difficult to do)
> [/Jeff]
>
> You are the epitimy of an internet troll. A troll tries to hi
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:01:21 -0800, r wrote:
> Walter,
> I just look at the stats for comp.lang.python, and i am 9th place for
> most post this month.
And about 9,000th place for useful information.
--
Steven
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walterbyrd wrote:
[...]>> Fooled by version numbers ?
>
> No, but I am giving django the benefit of the doubt. The django
> project told people all along that django was not to be considered
> production ready before 1.0. I will accept that some people decided to
> wait until 1.0 came out to do an
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:11:02 -0800, walterbyrd wrote:
> I have read that python is the world's 3rd most popular language
Oh, well if it's written down it must be true.
> But, I can't help but wonder how python's popularity was determined.
Why don't you ask the people who made the claim?
--
On Dec 22, 6:18 pm, Aaron Brady wrote:
> Us small-minded people have hopes and dreams just like anybody else,
> Thurston.
Now thats the kind of friendly banter this group could use. Instead of
people acting as if their bowel-movements smell like bakery fresh
cinnamon rolls!
--
http://mail.python.
On Dec 22, 4:07 pm, r wrote:
> On Dec 22, 3:15 pm, je.s.t...@hehxduhmp.org wrote:
>
> > r wrote:
> > > We see where you stand. And also see that by removing your comments
> > > from the archive in 5 days, how small your acorns really are.
>
> > Also, it is pretty hard to take such accusations ser
[Jeff]
but I raise the bar so that any random joker probably won't bother
(and making the reverse mapping - knowing my real identity and then
looking for recent net activity - is much more difficult to do)
[/Jeff]
You are the epitimy of an internet troll. A troll tries to hide his
identity. Why ar
On Dec 22, 4:14 pm, je.s.t...@hehxduhmp.org wrote:
> r wrote:
> > Would you trust my words more if i used a name like "Thurstan Howell
> > III" Come on, don't tell me you are that shallow. To attack my
> > credibility solely based on my user name is the sport of small minded
> > people. Surely
On Dec 22, 4:16 pm, Joe Strout wrote:
> Alvin ONeal wrote:
> > Also worthy of mention:
> > I've seen python pre-installed on consumer HP desktops (I think as
> > part of a backup/restore script, but I'm not sure)
>
> It's pre-installed on every Mac (both desktop and laptop), too.
>
> Cheers,
> - J
On Dec 22, 11:50 am, Bruno Desthuilliers
wrote:
> > When it comes to web development, it seems to me that ruby
> > (because of rails) is far more popular
>
> s/popular/hyped/
I'm not so sure. Go to dice.com, enter "ruby rails" no quotes, search
all words, job titles only - I got 86 hits, and ano
Alvin ONeal wrote:
Also worthy of mention:
I've seen python pre-installed on consumer HP desktops (I think as
part of a backup/restore script, but I'm not sure)
It's pre-installed on every Mac (both desktop and laptop), too.
Cheers,
- Joe
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On Dec 22, 4:44 pm, r wrote:
> Oh Steve... Listen, my words are ment as a wake-up-call to all who
r, can you do me a favor? Go read the archives of this newsgroup for a
month or two, then come back with some perspective. I hope that will
make your posts a little less nonsensical and annoying. My
On Dec 22, 3:15 pm, je.s.t...@hehxduhmp.org wrote:
> r wrote:
> > We see where you stand. And also see that by removing your comments
> > from the archive in 5 days, how small your acorns really are.
>
> Also, it is pretty hard to take such accusations seriously from someone
> who themselves is us
On Dec 22, 3:13 pm, je.s.t...@hehxduhmp.org wrote:
> r wrote:
> > We see where you stand. And also see that by removing your comments
> > from the archive in 5 days, how small your acorns really are.
>
> What is "the archive", Google Groups? You do realize that's not the
> entirety of Usenet, cor
je.s.t...@hehxduhmp.org wrote:
r wrote:
We see where you stand. And also see that by removing your comments
from the archive in 5 days, how small your acorns really are.
What is "the archive", Google Groups? You do realize that's not the
entirety of Usenet, correct?
It's the predominant ar
On Dec 22, 1:50 pm, Luis M. González wrote:
> On Dec 22, 3:44 pm, r wrote:
>
>
>
> > Steve Holden
>
> > > What makes you assume this is a zero-sum game, and that Python won't
> > > survive if any other language becomes popular. Every language borrows
> > > from those that came before it. Terms li
OK je.s.t... whatever,
We see where you stand. And also see that by removing your comments
from the archive in 5 days, how small your acorns really are.
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On Dec 22, 3:44 pm, r wrote:
> Steve Holden
>
> > What makes you assume this is a zero-sum game, and that Python won't
> > survive if any other language becomes popular. Every language borrows
> > from those that came before it. Terms like "outright plagiarism" don't
> > encourage rational debate,
walterbyrd a écrit :
On Dec 22, 10:13 am, r wrote:
Since the
advent of Ruby(Python closet competitor), Python's hold on this niche
is slipping.
About the only place I ever hear of ruby being used is web development
with RoR. When it comes to web development, it seems to me that ruby
(because
On Dec 22, 1:10 pm, MRAB wrote:
> r wrote:
> > Steve Holden
> >> What makes you assume this is a zero-sum game, and that Python won't
> >> survive if any other language becomes popular. Every language borrows
> >> from those that came before it. Terms like "outright plagiarism" don't
> >> encourag
On Dec 22, 11:42 am, "Ellinghaus, Lance"
wrote:
> Yes, Ruby has taken some of the popularity out of Python, but they are
> also hitting different markets.
Do you mean different markets within web development, or do you mean
ruby is used mostly for web-dev, while python is used for other stuff?
-
r wrote:
Steve Holden
What makes you assume this is a zero-sum game, and that Python won't
survive if any other language becomes popular. Every language borrows
from those that came before it. Terms like "outright plagiarism" don't
encourage rational debate, and make you seem like a troll who is
> I just look at the stats for comp.lang.python, and i am 9th place for
> most post this month. That makes me completely sad. With just 50 post
> so far, i am showing up on the high count. Sad, very sad. Now i have
> much reason to believe that only 100 or so people follow this list :(.
> Python is
Marco Mariani writes:
> Richard Riley wrote:
>
>> One does not have to by a language maestro to try and assess its
>> popularity. While his numbers or his reading of the numbers might be
>> open to some questions, to suggest that one needs to be totally familiar
>> with a language to determine it
Steve Holden
> What makes you assume this is a zero-sum game, and that Python won't
> survive if any other language becomes popular. Every language borrows
> from those that came before it. Terms like "outright plagiarism" don't
> encourage rational debate, and make you seem like a troll who is mor
hello hackers.
Python is best at high level calculations and as an indication, Please
note that I am leading a team on developing an accounting software which
will be modular and would suit the economic conditions of developed and
almost developed countries like India.
I find that number crunching
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:01 PM, r wrote:
> Walter,
> I just look at the stats for comp.lang.python, and i am 9th place for
> most post this month. That makes me completely sad. With just 50 post
> so far, i am showing up on the high count. Sad, very sad. Now i have
> much reason to believe that
Walter,
I just look at the stats for comp.lang.python, and i am 9th place for
most post this month. That makes me completely sad. With just 50 post
so far, i am showing up on the high count. Sad, very sad. Now i have
much reason to believe that only 100 or so people follow this list :(.
Python is s
On Dec 22, 2008, at 12:48 PM, walterbyrd wrote:
Now since Python *is not* the only language on it's block, we have to
compete with our main nemesis(Ruby) for survival
I think both python and ruby will "survive." I think python is also
competing with perl in the sysadmin space - although I see
r wrote:
> I think when Python was first brought to this dark world by a genius
> named Guido van Rossum, it had complete dominance in it's niche,
> actually Python created a niche where none existed before. Since the
> advent of Ruby(Python closet competitor), Python's hold on this niche
> is slip
On Dec 22, 10:13 am, r wrote:
> Since the
> advent of Ruby(Python closet competitor), Python's hold on this niche
> is slipping.
About the only place I ever hear of ruby being used is web development
with RoR. When it comes to web development, it seems to me that ruby
(because of rails) is far mo
I think when Python was first brought to this dark world by a genius
named Guido van Rossum, it had complete dominance in it's niche,
actually Python created a niche where none existed before. Since the
advent of Ruby(Python closet competitor), Python's hold on this niche
is slipping. A lot of Ruby
Richard Riley wrote:
One does not have to by a language maestro to try and assess its
popularity. While his numbers or his reading of the numbers might be
open to some questions, to suggest that one needs to be totally familiar
with a language to determine its popularity is, frankly, ridiculous.
walterbyrd wrote:
> I have read that python is the world's 3rd most popular language, and
> that python has surpassed perl in popularity, but I am not seeing it.
[rest of stuff adequately answered by other posters]
The "Python has surpassed Perl" myth came from one month's results on
the TIOBE ind
On Dec 22, 12:11 pm, walterbyrd wrote:
> I have read that python is the world's 3rd most popular language, and
> that python has surpassed perl in popularity, but I am not seeing it.
>
> From what I have seen:
>
> - in unix/linux sysadmin, perl is far more popular than python,
> windows sysadmins
Marco Mariani writes:
> walterbyrd wrote:
>
>> I have read that python is the world's 3rd most popular language, and
>> that python has surpassed perl in popularity, but I am not seeing it.
>
>
> In 20 days, you've gone from trying to import a module by using:
>
>> load "test.py"
>
>
> to questio
I decided to start learning python for 2 reasons:
#A The white-space is wonderful - you can't code unreadable code.
#B I noticed that just about every application I use has extensions
written in python.
Although it isn't as "cool" as ruby, it certainly has been in widespread
use longer.
I think t
Walter> From what I have seen:
Walter> - in unix/linux sysadmin, perl is far more popular than python,
Walter> windows sysadmins typically don't use either.
Walter> - in web-development, php is far more popular than python - it's not
Walter> even close.
Walter> - when I did
walterbyrd wrote:
I have read that python is the world's 3rd most popular language, and
that python has surpassed perl in popularity, but I am not seeing it.
In 20 days, you've gone from trying to import a module by using:
> load "test.py"
to questioning the popularity of python.
You have
Python has it's place, usually getting things done, rather than being
flashy.
For example, while Java is still the "Enterprise King", both the leading
application servers (Weblogic and Websphere) adopted Jython as their
internal scripting language last year (or was it 2006?).
It's used heavily fo
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