Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-07-03, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Grant Edwards wrote: > >> On 2013-07-03, Roy Smith wrote: >> > In article , >> > Chris Angelico wrote: >> > >> >> Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're >> >> working with those, you know it full well. The dark cor

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Roy Smith
In article , Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2013-07-03, Roy Smith wrote: > > In article , > > Chris Angelico wrote: > > > >> Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're > >> working with those, you know it full well. The dark corners of Python > >> might be in some of its

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-07-03, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're >> working with those, you know it full well. The dark corners of Python >> might be in some of its more obscure modules, or maybe in IPv6 >> handling,

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:10:17 -0400, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Terry Reedy wrote: > >> 6. If you make an informed post to the tracker backed up by at least >> opinion, at least one tracker responder be in a better mode when >> responding. > > What I generally do is summarize the problem

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Roy Smith wrote: >> > In article , >> > Chris Angelico wrote: >> > >> >> Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're >> >> working with those

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Roy Smith
In article , Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > > In article , > > Chris Angelico wrote: > > > >> Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're > >> working with those, you know it full well. The dark corners of Python > >> might

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're >> working with those, you know it full well. The dark corners of Python >> might be in some of its more obscure modules, or maybe in

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread Steve Simmons
On 03/07/2013 12:50, rusi wrote: On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 6:09:35 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: Dennis Lee Bieber writes: So who would enforce any rules? Ideally, this community is healthy enough for us to enforce the code of conduct of our host, through social convention among us all. T

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread Roy Smith
In article , Terry Reedy wrote: > 6. If you make an informed post to the tracker backed up by at least > opinion, at least one tracker responder be in a better mode when responding. What I generally do is summarize the problem in the tracker, but also include a link to the google groups archi

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Roy Smith
In article , Chris Angelico wrote: > Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're > working with those, you know it full well. The dark corners of Python > might be in some of its more obscure modules, or maybe in IPv6 > handling, The sad thing about this statement is th

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread rusi
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 6:09:35 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > Dennis Lee Bieber writes: > > > So who would enforce any rules? > > Ideally, this community is healthy enough for us to enforce the code of > conduct of our host, through social convention among us all. Thanks Ben for that. Lets

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-03 Thread Neil Hodgson
Dennis Lee Bieber: So who would enforce any rules? I doubt it could be ported to a new (if approval could even be obtained) comp.lang.python.mod(erated) so nothing can be enforced on the comp.lang.python side; and what would you do with Google Groups? The current news group charter

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-03 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > A popular language like Python has been around for about 20 years. It is > in daily use by tens of thousands of people around the world. What are > the chances that you, in your first week of using Python, just happened > to stumble across

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:39:59 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Steve Simmons writes: >> Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) >> statement/requirement? > > This forum (both a Usenet newsgroup and a mailing list) is part of the > Python community. So the “Python Community Code of C

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/2/2013 7:46 PM, Roy Smith wrote: In article , Ned Deily wrote: If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file a bug report in the issue tracker. I would revise this to "If you are have really found a bug in Python..." How does a newbie know? I'm not sure I agre

Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-02 Thread Joshua Landau
On 3 July 2013 01:52, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > If you are a beginner to a programming language, assume that anything > that doesn't work the way you expect is a bug in YOUR code, or YOUR > understanding, not in the language. Not just beginners. Out of the hundreds of times where I've gone "this *

Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct]

2013-07-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 19:46:13 -0400, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Ned Deily wrote: > >> If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file a >> bug report in the issue tracker. > > I'm not sure I agree with that one, at least not fully. It's certainly > true that you sho

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 16:51:38 +0100, Steve Simmons wrote: > Erm, > > It probably isn't the best time to start this post but I was > wondering... > > Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) > statement/requirement? > > If not, should it? I *knew* this would be raised. You are

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Finney
Dennis Lee Bieber writes: > So who would enforce any rules? Ideally, this community is healthy enough for us to enforce the code of conduct of our host, through social convention among us all. -- \“I took a course in speed waiting. Now I can wait an hour in | `\

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 02Jul2013 19:46, Roy Smith wrote: | In article , | Ned Deily wrote: | | > If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file | > a bug report in the issue tracker. | | I'm not sure I agree with that one, at least not fully. It's certainly | true that you shouldn't expec

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Ned Deily wrote:> > > If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file > > a bug report in the issue tracker. > I'm not sure I agree with that one, at least not fully. It's certainly > true that you shouldn't expect anybody

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Roy Smith
In article , Ned Deily wrote: > If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file > a bug report in the issue tracker. I'm not sure I agree with that one, at least not fully. It's certainly true that you shouldn't expect anybody to do anything about a bug unless you open

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Finney
Steve Simmons writes: > It probably isn't the best time to start this post but I was > wondering... An excellent time to raise this, in my opinion. Thank you for doing so. > Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) > statement/requirement? This forum (both a Usenet newsgrou

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Steve Simmons wrote: > Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) > statement/requirement? >From http://www.python.org/community/lists/ comp.lang.python comp.lang.python is a high-volume Usenet open (not moderated) newsgroup for general discussions and question

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Skip Montanaro
> Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) > statement/requirement? > > If not, should it? No, and probably not. As Joshua Landau indicated, nobody reads the user manual anyway. In addition, this mailing list is not currently moderated in an approve-each-message sort of way (

Re: Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Joshua Landau
On 2 July 2013 16:51, Steve Simmons wrote: > Erm, > > It probably isn't the best time to start this post but I was wondering... > > Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) > statement/requirement? > > If not, should it? > > Is the membership of this list presently in the right

Python list code of conduct

2013-07-02 Thread Steve Simmons
Erm, It probably isn't the best time to start this post but I was wondering... Does this list have a code of conduct or a netiqeutte (sp?) statement/requirement? If not, should it? Is the membership of this list presently in the right frame of mind to create one or update any existing one?