Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-03 Thread Robert Kern
Thomas Nelson wrote: > How hard would it be to have numpy/ scipy part of the python standard > library? scipy will never, ever be part of the standard library. Some subset of numpy may eventually make it into the standard library, but not any time soon. -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe th

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-03 Thread robert
Robert Kern wrote: > This is what Martin said: > > """ > It used to be possible to link with it. See > > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/abx4dbyh(VS.80).aspx > > This is now a "known DLL", and meant for use by system-level components > only. > """ > > Note the words "used to" and "now"

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-03 Thread Thomas Nelson
How hard would it be to have numpy/ scipy part of the python standard library? Tom mattf wrote: > I've discovered Python and have been trying it out lately as a possible > replacement for computations that would ordinarily be done with a > commercial package like Matlab or IDL. I'd like to mentio

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-03 Thread Robert Kern
robert wrote: > In past I asked for linking Python2.5 and next Pythons on Win against such > standard DLL (MSVCRT4 or MSVCRT.DLL)- yet Martin v. Löwis somehow explained > in > http://groups.google.de/group/comp.lang.python/msg/fcbe41f9df595c35 > somehow that MSVCRT.dll is not intended for norma

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-03 Thread robert
Robert Kern wrote: > Magnus Lycka wrote: >> robert wrote: >>> When one follows .. >>> http://docs.python.org/inst/tweak-flags.html#SECTION000622000 >>> http://www.zope.org/Members/als/tips/win32_mingw_modules >>> >>> ..this seems only to cover the immediate python dll issues. What >>>

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-03 Thread Robert Kern
Magnus Lycka wrote: > robert wrote: >> When one follows .. >> http://docs.python.org/inst/tweak-flags.html#SECTION000622000 >> http://www.zope.org/Members/als/tips/win32_mingw_modules >> >> ..this seems only to cover the immediate python dll issues. What happens >> with the C runtime

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-03 Thread John Coleman
John Coleman wrote: > Robert Kern wrote: > > John Coleman wrote: > > > Maybe I don't know what I'm looking for, but I downloaded Enthought a > > > few days ago and don't seem to find MinGW on my system. There are 2 > > > relatively small (totalling about 13 kb IIRC) *python* files deeply > > > bur

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-03 Thread Magnus Lycka
robert wrote: > When one follows .. > http://docs.python.org/inst/tweak-flags.html#SECTION000622000 > http://www.zope.org/Members/als/tips/win32_mingw_modules > > ..this seems only to cover the immediate python dll issues. What happens > with the C runtime libraries? You'll bind 2 di

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread John Coleman
Robert Kern wrote: > John Coleman wrote: > > Maybe I don't know what I'm looking for, but I downloaded Enthought a > > few days ago and don't seem to find MinGW on my system. There are 2 > > relatively small (totalling about 13 kb IIRC) *python* files deeply > > buried in the distribution with min

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread Robert Kern
John Coleman wrote: > Maybe I don't know what I'm looking for, but I downloaded Enthought a > few days ago and don't seem to find MinGW on my system. There are 2 > relatively small (totalling about 13 kb IIRC) *python* files deeply > buried in the distribution with mingw in their filename but nothi

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread John Coleman
Maybe I don't know what I'm looking for, but I downloaded Enthought a few days ago and don't seem to find MinGW on my system. There are 2 relatively small (totalling about 13 kb IIRC) *python* files deeply buried in the distribution with mingw in their filename but nothing like a gcc compiler. I've

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread Robert Kern
Steve Holden wrote: > Robert Kern wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Robert Kern: >>> We distribute mingw set up to do this with our "Enthought Edition" Python distribution. http://code.enthought.com/enthon/ >>> Sorry, maybe I'm blind but I don't see MinGW listed in that page.

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread Steve Holden
Robert Kern wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Robert Kern: >> >>>We distribute mingw set up to do this with our "Enthought >>>Edition" Python distribution. >>>http://code.enthought.com/enthon/ >> >>Sorry, maybe I'm blind but I don't see MinGW listed in that page... >>Maybe it's included but no

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread bearophileHUGS
Fredrik Lundh: > last time I tried, it took me 20 minutes from that I typed "mingw" into > google until I had built and tested my first non-trivial extension. your > milage may vary. But probably before those 20 minutes there is a lot of time of experience of yours with CPython sources, other comp

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread robert
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > robert wrote: > >> Is it really not possible to create extension libs with > > older MSVC or Mingw, which work with regular Python binaries > > version 2.4 and 2.5 ? > > last time I tried, it took me 20 minutes from that I typed "mingw" into > google until I had built an

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread Robert Kern
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Robert Kern: >> We distribute mingw set up to do this with our "Enthought >> Edition" Python distribution. >> http://code.enthought.com/enthon/ > > Sorry, maybe I'm blind but I don't see MinGW listed in that page... > Maybe it's included but not listed... It's there. -

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread bearophileHUGS
Robert Kern: > We distribute mingw set up to do this with our "Enthought > Edition" Python distribution. > http://code.enthought.com/enthon/ Sorry, maybe I'm blind but I don't see MinGW listed in that page... Maybe it's included but not listed... Bye, bearophile -- http://mail.python.org/mailma

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread Fredrik Lundh
robert wrote: > Is it really not possible to create extension libs with > older MSVC or Mingw, which work with regular Python binaries > version 2.4 and 2.5 ? last time I tried, it took me 20 minutes from that I typed "mingw" into google until I had built and tested my first non-trivial extens

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > mattf: >> 3) -There's a problem with development under Windows. > > It's possibile to compile Python with MinGW, and to create extensions > with it. So some site can host a single zip file that contains both > MinGW and Python compiled with it, all ready and set. A perso

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread Robert Kern
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > mattf: >> 3) -There's a problem with development under Windows. > > It's possibile to compile Python with MinGW, and to create extensions > with it. So some site can host a single zip file that contains both > MinGW and Python compiled with it, all ready and set. A perso

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread bearophileHUGS
mattf: > 3) -There's a problem with development under Windows. It's possibile to compile Python with MinGW, and to create extensions with it. So some site can host a single zip file that contains both MinGW and Python compiled with it, all ready and set. A person not much expert can then create co

Re: Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread Paul Boddie
mattf wrote: > I'd like to mention a few things I've run across that have either surprised > me or kept me > from doing things the way I'd like to. > > 1) -There's a large and active sci/tech Python community out there.- > This was something of a surprise. If you look at the python.org site > and

Python in sci/tech applications

2006-11-02 Thread mattf
I've discovered Python and have been trying it out lately as a possible replacement for computations that would ordinarily be done with a commercial package like Matlab or IDL. I'd like to mention a few things I've run across that have either surprised me or kept me from doing things the way I'd li