On 09/22/10 02:44, Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
> Antoine Pitrou writes:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:59:27 +0200
>> de...@web.de (Diez B. Roggisch) wrote:
>>>
>>> The problems explained are simply outdated and crippled python
>>> versions.
>>>
>>> And to me, a python version installed that has not th
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
>> Typically, if your want to install say
>> matplotlib with pygtk with a custom built python, you are in for a fun
>> ride because you have to rebuild everything.
>
> That's not what I consider a typical case. But I take your point.
It is
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:35:38 +0900, David Cournapeau wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:54:55 -0700, Ant wrote:
>>
>>> Yes you are right - I've checked on my home machine, and it is indeed
>>> 2.6. Still, no Python 3 unless I upgrade to Fe
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:54:55 -0700, Ant wrote:
>
>> Yes you are right - I've checked on my home machine, and it is indeed
>> 2.6. Still, no Python 3 unless I upgrade to Fedora 13, and upgrading an
>> OS in order to get the latest version of
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:54:55 -0700, Ant wrote:
> Yes you are right - I've checked on my home machine, and it is indeed
> 2.6. Still, no Python 3 unless I upgrade to Fedora 13, and upgrading an
> OS in order to get the latest version of one package is a bit much!
Or you could install from source,
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:23:08 +1200, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message
> <2ab95324-4394-4510-b953-3c8555b0a...@q9g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, Ant
> wrote:
>
>> Still, no Python 3 unless I upgrade to Fedora 13, and upgrading an OS
>> in order to get the latest version of one package is a bit m
In message , Antoine
Pitrou wrote:
> comp.lang.python doesn't handle Linux packaging [issues] ...
Why not? We regularly seem to was^H^H^Hspend a lot of time with Windows-
specific packaging problems, installation problems and configuration
problems, why not Linux ones as well?
--
http://mail.p
In message <87zkvbytnk@web.de>, Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
> Of course, in a ideal world, distutils would hook into the distros
> dependency system + simply say "please install python-dev first".
>
> But I'm not convinced that putting the weight here on the shoulders of
> the python-communtiy to
In message
<2ab95324-4394-4510-b953-3c8555b0a...@q9g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, Ant
wrote:
> Still, no Python 3 unless I upgrade to Fedora 13, and upgrading
> an OS in order to get the latest version of one package is a bit much!
You’re using Fedora, a distro that pretty much demands you upgrade
On 9/21/2010 11:42 AM, Ned Deily wrote:
In article<87zkvbytnk@web.de>, de...@web.de (Diez B. Roggisch)
wrote:
The point is that the distro doesn't care about the python eco
system. Which is what I care about, and a lot of people who want to ship
software.
I don't think that is totally accu
In article , de...@web.de (Diez B. Roggisch)
wrote:
> Ned Deily writes:
> > In article <87zkvbytnk@web.de>, de...@web.de (Diez B. Roggisch)
> > wrote:
> >> The point is that the distro doesn't care about the python eco
> >> system. Which is what I care about, and a lot of people who want to
Ned Deily writes:
> In article <87zkvbytnk@web.de>, de...@web.de (Diez B. Roggisch)
> wrote:
>> The point is that the distro doesn't care about the python eco
>> system. Which is what I care about, and a lot of people who want to ship
>> software.
>
> I don't think that is totally accurate o
On Sep 21, 2:04 pm, Philip Semanchuk wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Ant wrote:
> Don't know about Python 3 on Fedora (I use a Mac), but distrowatch.org
> reports that Fedora has been using Python >= 2.6 since Fedora 11 which was
> released in June of 2009.
Yes you are right - I've checke
In article <87zkvbytnk@web.de>, de...@web.de (Diez B. Roggisch)
wrote:
> The point is that the distro doesn't care about the python eco
> system. Which is what I care about, and a lot of people who want to ship
> software.
I don't think that is totally accurate or fair. There is regular
par
On 9/21/2010 5:29 AM Ant said...
Is there a solution to this that anyone knows of? Has Zed jumped to
conclusions? Have I?
I'd say the error was in selecting something other that the lowest
common subset of python functions when designing and writing a python
version dependent Mongrel2. There
David Cournapeau writes:
>>
>> I don't deny them their experience. Do you deny the experience of other
>> people with *other* needs? As I already said: I don't propose to ditch
>> the package management. I'm all fine with a distro that carefully
>> selects it's packages and dependencies.
>
> In y
Antoine Pitrou writes:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:59:27 +0200
> de...@web.de (Diez B. Roggisch) wrote:
>>
>> The problems explained are simply outdated and crippled python
>> versions.
>>
>> And to me, a python version installed that has not the
>> distutils module is *crippled*. You can rationa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
> David Cournapeau writes:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
>>> Ant writes:
>>>
Hi all,
I've just seen this: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html
Whatever you think of Zed
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:59:27 +0200
de...@web.de (Diez B. Roggisch) wrote:
>
> The problems explained are simply outdated and crippled python
> versions.
>
> And to me, a python version installed that has not the
> distutils module is *crippled*. You can rationalize that as much as you
> want thr
David Cournapeau writes:
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
>> Ant writes:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've just seen this: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html
>>>
>>> Whatever you think of Zed Shaw (author of the Mongrel Ruby server and
>>> relatively recent Pyth
Ant wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've just seen this: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html
>
> Whatever you think of Zed Shaw (author of the Mongrel Ruby server and
> relatively recent Python convert), he has a very good point in this. I
> run Fedora 12 on my home computers, and find it far to
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Diez B. Roggisch wrote:
> Ant writes:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just seen this: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html
>>
>> Whatever you think of Zed Shaw (author of the Mongrel Ruby server and
>> relatively recent Python convert), he has a very good point
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:23:42 +0200
de...@web.de (Diez B. Roggisch) wrote:
> So, in summary, I think if anything, Python should liberate itself from
> the reigns of distro package management, and fix whatever issues there
> are with setuptools (or distutils or pip or distribute or whatever the
> coo
On Sep 21, 2:29 pm, Ant wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've just seen this:http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html
>
> Whatever you think of Zed Shaw (author of the Mongrel Ruby server and
> relatively recent Python convert), he has a very good point in this. I
> run Fedora 12 on my home computers, a
Ant writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I've just seen this: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html
>
> Whatever you think of Zed Shaw (author of the Mongrel Ruby server and
> relatively recent Python convert), he has a very good point in this. I
> run Fedora 12 on my home computers, and find it far to
On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Ant wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've just seen this: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html
>
> Whatever you think of Zed Shaw (author of the Mongrel Ruby server and
> relatively recent Python convert), he has a very good point in this. I
> run Fedora 12 on my home
On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Ant wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've just seen this: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html
>
> Whatever you think of Zed Shaw (author of the Mongrel Ruby server and
> relatively recent Python convert), he has a very good point in this. I
> run Fedora 12 on my home
Ant wrote:
> I've just seen this: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html
>
> Whatever you think of Zed Shaw (author of the Mongrel Ruby server and
> relatively recent Python convert), he has a very good point in this. I
> run Fedora 12 on my home computers, and find it far too much hassle
Hi all,
I've just seen this: http://sheddingbikes.com/posts/1285063820.html
Whatever you think of Zed Shaw (author of the Mongrel Ruby server and
relatively recent Python convert), he has a very good point in this. I
run Fedora 12 on my home computers, and find it far too much hassle to
try to ge
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