Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:31:06 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Software has no market value. Business models that try to assign it one >> are doomed to fight an uphill battle against market forces. > > +1 QOTW. -1 That quote confuses the *cost* of

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-26 Thread Ben Finney
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Software has no market value. Business models that try to assign it > one are doomed to fight an uphill battle against market forces. +1 QOTW. -- \ “Yesterday I told a chicken to cross the road. It said, ‘What | `\

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-26 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stef Mientki wrote: > ... although I realize closed source is not completely possibly in Python, > but that's no problem if the program is large/complex enough compared to > it's market value ;-) Software has no market value. Business models that try to assign it o

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Leafe
On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: I often see mention of SMBs that either want to upgrade their Windows installations, or move to Linux, but cannot because of inhouse VB apps. Are there any Python experts who I can reference them to for porting? I have nothing on hand at the moment

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-21 Thread Stef Mientki
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2008-10-20, Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think I'm feeding the troll, but - ever took a look at PyQt? I wanted to go from Delphi to a free / open source environment, for both open source and commercial applications. So the Qt license stoppe

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-20 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-10-20, Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't think I'm feeding the troll, but - ever took a look at >> PyQt? > > I wanted to go from Delphi to a free / open source > environment, for both open source and commercial applications. > > So the Qt license stopped me from looking an

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-20 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Still has some things that I would dearly love in python... like "skinned" > gui applications. That's a function of the GUI toolkit, not of the language. Python doesn't make you use any GUI toolkit, nor does it prevent you from using any

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-20 Thread Stef Mientki
Ville M. Vainio wrote: Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sorry but for GUI design, Python is pre-historic ;-) Time to show the "don't feed the troll" sign, I guess. Even without the smiley, I'm convinced of my statement. cheers, I don't think I'm feeding the

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-20 Thread Ville M. Vainio
Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Sorry but for GUI design, Python is pre-historic ;-) > > > > Time to show the "don't feed the troll" sign, I guess. > Even without the smiley, I'm convinced of my statement. > cheers, I don't think I'm feeding the troll, but - ever took a look at PyQ

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-20 Thread Stef Mientki
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: Stef Mientki a écrit : Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dotan Cohen wrote: I often see mention of SMBs that either want to upgrade their Windows installations, or move to Linux, but cannot because of inhouse VB apps. Probably best

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-20 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Stef Mientki a écrit : (snip) I'm very satisfied with Python, and must say it's much more beautiful language than Delphi, seen over the full width of programming. Although both languages are Object Oriented, I think you can lowercase those two last words - it's not a religion, you know ?-)

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-20 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Stef Mientki a écrit : Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dotan Cohen wrote: I often see mention of SMBs that either want to upgrade their Windows installations, or move to Linux, but cannot because of inhouse VB apps. Probably best to leave those legacy VB app

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-19 Thread david . lyon
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Stef Mientki: it's just Object Pascal , which is inferior to Python. They are quite different languages, you can't compare them in a simple way. Delphi is kinda old, so today there are better languages than Delphi (like D), but when Delphi 2-3 was out, there weren't

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-19 Thread bearophileHUGS
Stef Mientki: > it's just Object Pascal , which is inferior to Python. They are quite different languages, you can't compare them in a simple way. Delphi is statically typed, and compiles very quickly producing "small" exes; "algorithmic" code can run a hundred times faster than Python code. There

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-19 Thread infixum
On Oct 19, 12:51 am, Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dotan > > Cohen wrote: > > >> I often see mention of SMBs that either want to upgrade their Windows > >> installations, or move to Linux, but cannot because of inhouse VB >

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-19 Thread Stef Mientki
Francesco Bochicchio wrote: Il Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:34:23 +0200, Stef Mientki ha scritto: ... I'm very satisfied with Python, and must say it's much more beautiful language than Delphi, seen over the full width of programming. Although both languages are Object Oriented, for some (unknown)

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-19 Thread Stef Mientki
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/10/19 Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/10/19 Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sorry but for GUI design, Python is pre-historic ;-) Stef Really, even with the cross-platform Qt bindings? I skipped Qt because o

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-19 Thread Francesco Bochicchio
Il Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:34:23 +0200, Stef Mientki ha scritto: ... I'm very > satisfied with Python, and must say it's much more beautiful language > than Delphi, seen over the full width of programming. Although both > languages are Object Oriented, for some (unknown) reason it's 10 times > easi

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/10/19 Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> 2008/10/19 Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> >>> Sorry but for GUI design, Python is pre-historic ;-) >>> Stef >>> >> >> Really, even with the cross-platform Qt bindings? >> > > I skipped Qt because of the weird license

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-19 Thread Stef Mientki
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/10/19 Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sorry but for GUI design, Python is pre-historic ;-) Stef Really, even with the cross-platform Qt bindings? I skipped Qt because of the weird license (I make both commercial and free-open software) Can you recommend a

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/10/19 Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Sorry but for GUI design, Python is pre-historic ;-) > Stef Really, even with the cross-platform Qt bindings? Can you recommend a better language? (not java no please not java) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-19 Thread Stef Mientki
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dotan Cohen wrote: I often see mention of SMBs that either want to upgrade their Windows installations, or move to Linux, but cannot because of inhouse VB apps. Probably best to leave those legacy VB apps alone and develop new

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/10/19 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dotan > Cohen wrote: > >> I often see mention of SMBs that either want to upgrade their Windows >> installations, or move to Linux, but cannot because of inhouse VB >> apps. > > Probably best to leave those legacy

Re: Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-18 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I often see mention of SMBs that either want to upgrade their Windows > installations, or move to Linux, but cannot because of inhouse VB > apps. Probably best to leave those legacy VB apps alone and develop new replacements in a more open, cro

Porting VB apps to Python for Window / Linux use

2008-10-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
I often see mention of SMBs that either want to upgrade their Windows installations, or move to Linux, but cannot because of inhouse VB apps. Are there any Python experts who I can reference them to for porting? I have nothing on hand at the moment, but I see this as a need without an obvious answe