Am 04.08.2012 15:53, schrieb Stefan Behnel:
So, if a C++ compiler takes a .c file and compiles it with C language
semantics, it doesn't qualify as a C compiler? That implies a rather weird
definition of a C compiler, I'd say.
I'd say that even a brainfuck compiler compiling a .py file with C
l
On 8/4/2012 7:19 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:38:33 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:
>
>> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>>> Runtime optimizations that target the common case, but fall back to
>>> unoptimized code in the rare cases that the optimization doesn't apply,
>>> offer the opport
Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 14:28:
> On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 07:46:59AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
>> Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 01:25:
>>> None of the other implementations require Python for actually
>>> compiling or running Python source.
>>
>> Nuitka was on the list as well.
>
> True, whic
alex23, 06.08.2012 05:40:
> On Aug 4, 4:15 pm, Steven D'Aprano +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
>> But the Python ecosystem is a lot bigger than just those four. Here are
>> just a few other implementations that you might be interested in:
>
> There's also HotPy:
>
> http://code.google.co
On Aug 4, 4:15 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> But the Python ecosystem is a lot bigger than just those four. Here are
> just a few other implementations that you might be interested in:
There's also HotPy:
http://code.google.com/p/hotpy/
http://www.hotpy.org/
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Mark Lawrence writes:
> With arrogance like that German by any chance?
Please keep derogatory national stereotypes off this forum and out of
our community. They are counter to our goals of diversity
http://www.python.org/community/diversity/>; you don't have to
subscribe to that, but if not then
Mark Lawrence wrote:
With arrogance like that German by any chance?
Comments like that are not appropriate on this list. Please don't make
them.
~Ethan~
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On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 07:46:59AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
> Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 01:25:
> > On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 08:40:16AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
> >> Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 08:15:
> >>> Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
> >>> implementations
Stefan Behnel, 05.08.2012 07:46:
> Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 01:25:
>> None of the other implementations require Python for actually
>> compiling or running Python source.
>
> Nuitka was on the list as well.
Oh, and Stackless was also on Steven's list, as well as WPython. That means
that 50% o
Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 01:25:
> On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 08:40:16AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
>> Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 08:15:
>>> Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
>>> implementations:
>>
>> And not to forget Cython, which is the only static Python compile
Paul Rubin, 05.08.2012 03:38:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>> Runtime optimizations that target the common case, but fall back to
>> unoptimized code in the rare cases that the optimization doesn't apply,
>> offer the opportunity of big speedups for most code at the cost of
>> trivial slowdowns whe
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 18:38:33 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>> Runtime optimizations that target the common case, but fall back to
>> unoptimized code in the rare cases that the optimization doesn't apply,
>> offer the opportunity of big speedups for most code at the cost of
>
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> Runtime optimizations that target the common case, but fall back to
> unoptimized code in the rare cases that the optimization doesn't apply,
> offer the opportunity of big speedups for most code at the cost of
> trivial slowdowns when you do something unusual.
The pr
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:59:18 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote:
> C isn't so great for high-assurance stuff either, compared to (say) Ada.
> People do use it in critical apps, but that's just because it is (or
> anyway used to be) so ubiquitous.
And then they are shocked, SHOCKED I say!, when their app has
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 08:40:16AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 08:15:
> > Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
> > implementations:
> >
>
> And not to forget Cython, which is the only static Python compiler that is
> widely used. Compiles a
On Friday, August 3, 2012 11:15:20 PM UTC-7, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> WPython - another optimizing version of Python with wordcodes instead of
> bytecodes.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/wpython/
I remember reading about this a while ago. I thought this was eventually going
to be committed to CPy
Paul Rubin, 04.08.2012 22:43:
> Stefan Behnel writes:
>>> Calling CPython hardly counts as compiling Python into C.
>> CPython is written in C, though. So anything that CPython does can be
>> done in C. It's not like the CPython project used a completely unusual
>> way of writing C code.
>
> CPyth
Stefan Behnel writes:
>> Calling CPython hardly counts as compiling Python into C.
> CPython is written in C, though. So anything that CPython does can be
> done in C. It's not like the CPython project used a completely unusual
> way of writing C code.
CPython is a relatively simple interpreter,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
>implementations:
>
>CPython, or just Python, the reference implementation written in C.
>IronPython, written in .NET.
Technicality: .NET is not a language, it is a run-time framework.
IronPython is written
On 04/08/2012 20:06, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Paul Rubin, 04.08.2012 20:18:
Stefan Behnel writes:
C is pretty poor as a compiler target: how would you translate Python
generators into C, for example?
Depends. If you have CPython available, that'd be a straight forward
extension type.
Calling CPy
Paul Rubin, 04.08.2012 20:18:
> Stefan Behnel writes:
>>> C is pretty poor as a compiler target: how would you translate Python
>>> generators into C, for example?
>> Depends. If you have CPython available, that'd be a straight forward
>> extension type.
>
> Calling CPython hardly counts as compil
:
On 4 August 2012 14:50, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
> No. Next question?
*plonk*
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From: Zero Piraeus
To: Mark Lawrence
Cc: python-list@python.org
Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2012, 19:42
Subject: Re: On-topic: alternate Python implementations
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On 4 August 2012 14:24, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
> With arrogance like that German
:
On 4 August 2012 14:24, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
> With arrogance like that German by any chance?
I didn't give a monkeys about the beer conversation personally, but
can we leave the national stereotypes out of it?
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:24:12 +0100, Mark Lawrence
wrote:
>On 04/08/2012 11:59, Stefan Behnel wrote:
>> Mark Lawrence, 04.08.2012 12:05:
>>> I agree so it's off topic and can't be discussed here. Isn't that right,
>>> Stefan?
>>
>> Hmm, in case you are referring to a recent friendly and diplomati
On 04/08/2012 11:59, Stefan Behnel wrote:
Mark Lawrence, 04.08.2012 12:05:
I agree so it's off topic and can't be discussed here. Isn't that right,
Stefan?
Hmm, in case you are referring to a recent friendly and diplomatic request
of mine regarding a couple of people who were burdening a publ
Stefan Behnel writes:
>> C is pretty poor as a compiler target: how would you translate Python
>> generators into C, for example?
> Depends. If you have CPython available, that'd be a straight forward
> extension type.
Calling CPython hardly counts as compiling Python into C.
> For the yielding,
Paul Rubin, 04.08.2012 17:59:
> Stefan Krah writes:
>> In the free software world, apparently many people like C. C is also
>> quite popular in the zero-fault software world: Several verification
>> tools do exist and Leroy et al. are writing a certified compiler for
>> C to plug the hole between t
Stefan Krah writes:
> In the free software world, apparently many people like C. C is also
> quite popular in the zero-fault software world: Several verification
> tools do exist and Leroy et al. are writing a certified compiler for
> C to plug the hole between the verified source code and the gen
Stefan Behnel, 04.08.2012 15:53:
> Thomas Rachel, 04.08.2012 14:51:
>> Am 04.08.2012 11:10 schrieb Stefan Behnel:
>>> As long as you don't use any features of the Cython language, it's plain
>>> Python. That makes it a Python compiler in my eyes.
>>
>> Tell that the C++ guys. C++ is mainly a supers
Thomas Rachel, 04.08.2012 14:51:
> Am 04.08.2012 11:10 schrieb Stefan Behnel:
>> As long as you don't use any features of the Cython language, it's plain
>> Python. That makes it a Python compiler in my eyes.
>
> Tell that the C++ guys. C++ is mainly a superset of C. But nevertheless, C
> and C++
The first time I did reply not 'reply all', so I'm posting again. ;-)
I think Cython is a Python implementation because you can only use the
Python features, not the extra features.
C++ is different because of the different rules (C was in a time of
assembly and costly computers, C++ was made in th
Am 04.08.2012 11:10 schrieb Stefan Behnel:
As long as you don't use any features of the Cython language, it's plain
Python. That makes it a Python compiler in my eyes.
Tell that the C++ guys. C++ is mainly a superset of C. But nevertheless,
C and C++ are distinct languages and so are Python a
Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 12:54:
> Berp is based on the Glasgow Haskell Compiler, which is a modern,
> efficient, optimizing compiler capable of producing excellent quality
> machine code on Windows, Mac, Linux and many Unixes. It gives you all the
> advantages of a high-level language with hi
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Who would want to deal with C's idiosyncrasies, low-powered explicit type
> system, difficult syntax, and core-dumps, when you could use something
> better?
In the free software world, apparently many people like C. C is also
quite popular in the zero-fault software wor
Mark Lawrence, 04.08.2012 12:05:
> I agree so it's off topic and can't be discussed here. Isn't that right,
> Stefan?
Hmm, in case you are referring to a recent friendly and diplomatic request
of mine regarding a couple of people who were burdening a public high
volume mailing list with a purely
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:34:17 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> CLPython, an implementation of Python written in Common Lisp.
>>
>> Berp - a compiler which works by translating Python to Haskell and
>> compiling that.
>
> Okay. WHY? CLPytho
On 04/08/2012 08:49, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:40:16 +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
And not to forget Cython, which is the only static Python compiler that
is widely used. Compiles and optimises Python to C code that uses the
CPython runtime and allows for easy manual optimisat
Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 09:49:
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:40:16 +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
>> And not to forget Cython, which is the only static Python compiler that
>> is widely used. Compiles and optimises Python to C code that uses the
>> CPython runtime and allows for easy manual optimisatio
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:40:16 +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
> And not to forget Cython, which is the only static Python compiler that
> is widely used. Compiles and optimises Python to C code that uses the
> CPython runtime and allows for easy manual optimisations to get C-like
> performance out of i
Steven D'Aprano, 04.08.2012 08:15:
> Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
> implementations:
>
> CPython, or just Python, the reference implementation written in C.
> IronPython, written in .NET.
> Jython, written in Java.
> PyPy, the optimizing implementation written in
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> CLPython, an implementation of Python written in Common Lisp.
>
> Berp - a compiler which works by translating Python to Haskell and
> compiling that.
Okay. WHY? CLPython gives some reason, but how often do you need to
bridge that particula
Most people are aware, if only vaguely, of the big Four Python
implementations:
CPython, or just Python, the reference implementation written in C.
IronPython, written in .NET.
Jython, written in Java.
PyPy, the optimizing implementation written in Python (actually, it's
written in a subset of P
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