Re: My python annoyances so far

7stud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I know what you mean. I always write: > >someStringVar.len > >and then I backspace and retype: > >len(someString). > >But then again, I can never remember whether length is a member or a >method in other languages. ... or whether it's called length, size, count

Re: My python annoyances so far

On 2007-04-27, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Antoon Pardon a écrit : >> On 2007-04-27, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>7stud a écrit : >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Annoyances: > Every language has annoyances. Python is no exceptio

Re: My python annoyances so far

Antoon Pardon a écrit : > On 2007-04-27, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>7stud a écrit : >> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Annoyances: >>> >>>Every language has annoyances. Python is no exception. >> >>Sure. But we may disagree on what are actually Python's annoyanc

Re: My python annoyances so far

On 2007-04-27, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 7stud a écrit : >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Annoyances: >>> >> >> Every language has annoyances. Python is no exception. > > Sure. But we may disagree on what are actually Python's annoyances !-) That is probably why the subje

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, I'd use ruby but python is everywhere, and ruby isn't. All > the applications that interest me are scriptable in python, not > ruby. Pity that you don't comment core topics. Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #289: Interference between the keyboard and the chair.

Re: My python annoyances so far

On 26 Apr, 21:50, Bjoern Schliessmann wrote: > > like perhaps ruby. > > If I were rude, I would ask now why you don't use ruby. But I bet > ruby has some annoyances ready for you too. > > Regards, > > Björn > Well, I'd use ruby but python is everywhere, and ruby isn't. All the applications that i

Re: My python annoyances so far

Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Perhaps you should read about the Kingdom of Nouns: > > execution-in-kingdom-of-nouns.html> Really cool. :) Thanks for sharing the link. Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #118: the router thinks its a printer. -- http://mai

Re: My python annoyances so far

James Stroud wrote: > Here is something on which to meditate: classes become functions > when you get the quantum mechanics just so! s/become/can behave like/ :) Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #27: radiosity depletion -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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7stud a écrit : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Annoyances: >> > > Every language has annoyances. Python is no exception. Sure. But we may disagree on what are actually Python's annoyances !-) > Post away. > Anyone that is offended can go drink a Guinness. > >> 1. Underscores! What's the deal

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Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch a écrit : > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steven Howe > wrote: > >> And before someone get's all technical, I know everything in Python is >> an 'object' even None, which implies class, or is it the other way around? > > Objects don't imply classes. There are object oriented

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : (snip) > > Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, and > other things have to be class methods? > Why aren't they all just either functions or class methods? like > perhaps ruby. > If I tell you that Python's functions are in fact static method

Re: My python annoyances so far

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steven Howe wrote: > And before someone get's all technical, I know everything in Python is > an 'object' even None, which implies class, or is it the other way around? Objects don't imply classes. There are object oriented languages without classes like the Io language.

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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:36:09 -0700, Alex Martelli wrote: > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >> detail you shouldn't care about. Functions that cache the result of long >> time-consuming complications are _good_. > > Not necessarily -- Absolutely -- I didn't mean to imply that

Re: My python annoyances so far

On Apr 26, 9:08 am, Michael Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 7stud wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Annoyances: > > > Every language has annoyances. Python is no exception. Post away. > > Anyone that is offended can go drink a Guinness. > > I find Guinness annoying. > -- > Michael Hof

Re: My python annoyances so far

Alex Martelli wrote: > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > >>detail you shouldn't care about. Functions that cache the result of long >>time-consuming complications are _good_. > > > Not necessarily -- > > asse

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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > detail you shouldn't care about. Functions that cache the result of long > time-consuming complications are _good_. Not necessarily -- asserts the exactly opposite principle, "Do

Re: My python annoyances so far

Steve Holden wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Hi all. I'm learning python these days. I'm going to use this thread >> to post, from time to time, my annoyances with python. I hope someone >> will clarify things to me where I have misunderstood them. >> >> Annoyances: >> 2. There are modules,

Re: My python annoyances so far

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:45:22 -0700, Steven Howe wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, and >>> other things have to be class methods? >>> > Perhaps because some things are more naturally function like? For > 'instance' (pardon the

Re: My python annoyances so far

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:07:03 -0700, flifus wrote: > Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, and > other things have to be class methods? > > Why aren't they all just either functions or class methods? like > perhaps ruby. Perhaps you should read about the Kingdom of Nouns:

Re: My python annoyances so far

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Re: My python annoyances so far

On Apr 26, 1:22 pm, Jean-Paul Calderone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26 Apr 2007 20:05:45 +0200, Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >On 2007-04-26, Steven Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, why do some things in the library have to be func

Re: My python annoyances so far

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi. You wrote c++, didn't you? Yes :) But I mostly don't anymore and ported my main project from C++ to Python. > Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, and > other things have to be class methods? Easy. Some things abstractly operate on all kin

Re: My python annoyances so far

On Apr 25, 11:50 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all. I'm learning python these days. I'm going to use this thread > to post, from time to time, my annoyances with python. I hope someone > will clarify things to me where I have misunderstood them. > > Annoyances: > > 1. Underscores! What's the de

Re: My python annoyances so far

On Apr 26, 6:07 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, and > other things have to be class methods? > > Why aren't they all just either functions or class methods? like > perhaps ruby. A good question. Part of the answer might be that their ar

Re: My python annoyances so far

On Apr 26, 6:07 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, and > other things have to be class methods? > > Why aren't they all just either functions or class methods? like > perhaps ruby. A good question. Part of the answer might be that their ar

Re: My python annoyances so far

On 26 Apr 2007 20:05:45 +0200, Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 2007-04-26, Steven Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, and other things have to be class methods? >> >> Perhaps because some thi

Re: My python annoyances so far

On 2007-04-26, Steven Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, >>> and other things have to be class methods? > > Perhaps because some things are more naturally function like? > For 'instance' (pardon the pun), func

Re: My python annoyances so far

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, flifus wrote: > Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, and > other things have to be class methods? > > Why aren't they all just either functions or class methods? like > perhaps ruby. To which class should `sorted()` belong to then? Or the functio

Re: My python annoyances so far

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, and >> other things have to be class methods? >> Perhaps because some things are more naturally function like? For 'instance' (pardon the pun), functions shouldn't retain data. They perform an operation

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, why do some things in the library have to be functions, and > other things have to be class methods? They don't have to be. They just are. That's like asking why do some functions start with the letters a-m, and others with n-z. Why can't they all begin with a-m

Re: My python annoyances so far

On 26 Apr, 12:00, Bjoern Schliessmann wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi all. I'm learning python these days. I'm going to use this > > thread to post, from time to time, my annoyances with python. I > > hope someone will clarify things to me where I have misunderstood > > them. > > > Annoya

Re: My python annoyances so far

7stud wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Annoyances: >> > > Every language has annoyances. Python is no exception. Post away. > Anyone that is offended can go drink a Guinness. I find Guinness annoying. -- Michael Hoffman -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: My python annoyances so far

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Annoyances: > Every language has annoyances. Python is no exception. Post away. Anyone that is offended can go drink a Guinness. > 1. Underscores! What's the deal with that? Especially those double > underscores. The best answer I read on this is that the double > und

Re: My python annoyances so far

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all. I'm learning python these days. I'm going to use this thread > to post, from time to time, my annoyances with python. I hope someone > will clarify things to me where I have misunderstood them. > > Annoyances: > > 1. Underscores! What's the deal with that? Espec

Re: My python annoyances so far

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all. I'm learning python these days. I'm going to use this > thread to post, from time to time, my annoyances with python. I > hope someone will clarify things to me where I have misunderstood > them. > > Annoyances: > > 1. Underscores! What's the deal with that? Es

Re: My python annoyances so far

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:50:53 -0700, flifus wrote: > > Hi all. I'm learning python these days. I'm going to use this thread > to post, from time to time, my annoyances with python. I hope someone > will clarify things to me where I have misunderstood them. > > Annoyances: > > 1. Underscores! Wha

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all. I'm learning python these days. I'm going to use this thread > to post, from time to time, my annoyances with python. Please start a new thread for each annoyance. Overuse of a single thread is an annoyance to a great many people. > I hope someone > will clar

Re: My python annoyances so far

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all. I'm learning python these days. I'm going to use this thread > to post, from time to time, my annoyances with python. I hope someone > will clarify things to me where I have misunderstood them. > > Annoyances: > > 1. Underscores! What's the deal with that? Espec

Re: My python annoyances so far

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > Hi all. I'm learning python these days. I'm going to use this thread > to post, from time to time, my annoyances with python. I hope someone > will clarify things to me where I have misunderstood them. > > Annoyances: > > 1. Underscores! What's the deal with that? Esp

My python annoyances so far

Hi all. I'm learning python these days. I'm going to use this thread to post, from time to time, my annoyances with python. I hope someone will clarify things to me where I have misunderstood them. Annoyances: 1. Underscores! What's the deal with that? Especially those double underscores. The be