Re: Logging cf Reporting = Friday Filosofical Finking

2019-04-09 Thread Antoon Pardon
On 9/04/19 17:43, Skip Montanaro wrote: >>> Is logging an unpopular package? >> I've been writing Python applications for 20 years. On several >> occasions, I've sat down determined to use it. After a frustrating >> half a day or so trying to get it to do what I want (and failing), >> I've always

Re: Logging cf Reporting = Friday Filosofical Finking

2019-04-09 Thread Antoon Pardon
On 8/04/19 23:14, DL Neil wrote: > Is logging an unpopular package? I think it does too much and too litle. On the one hand, you are overwhelmed by the possibilities, most of which you don't need. On the other hand, you find that it is missing a number of levels in comparison with syslog. I als

Re: Logging cf Reporting = Friday Filosofical Finking

2019-04-09 Thread Skip Montanaro
> > Is logging an unpopular package? > > I've been writing Python applications for 20 years. On several > occasions, I've sat down determined to use it. After a frustrating > half a day or so trying to get it to do what I want (and failing), > I've always given up and gone back to writing my own

Re: Logging cf Reporting = Friday Filosofical Finking

2019-04-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2019-04-08, DL Neil wrote: > Is logging an unpopular package? I've been writing Python applications for 20 years. On several occasions, I've sat down determined to use it. After a frustrating half a day or so trying to get it to do what I want (and failing), I've always given up and gone ba

Re: Logging cf Reporting = Friday Filosofical Finking

2019-04-08 Thread DL Neil
Is logging an unpopular package? Is extending its use, as described, interesting/inappropriate/illogical/downright-crazy? On 5/04/19 8:34 AM, DL Neil wrote: Is the logging module an ideal means to provide (printed) user reports, or is it a 'bad fit' and not designed/fit for such a purpose?

Re: Logging cf Reporting = Friday Filosofical Finking

2019-04-05 Thread Ben Coleman
On 4/4/2019 3:34 PM, DL Neil wrote: > ("oh, and it would be nice if you could send the file to me by email..." > - they're always, um, never, (quite) satisfied...) I refer to this as the Heisenberg Principle of computer programming: the act of giving a user what he says he wants changes what he wa

Logging cf Reporting = Friday Filosofical Finking

2019-04-04 Thread DL Neil
Is the logging module an ideal means to provide (printed) user reports, or is it a 'bad fit' and not designed/fit for such a purpose? PSL's logging module (per discussion 'here' earlier this week) is often quietly avoided by 'the average Python programmer'. It is unwieldy, yet that is, in-par