Re: Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is Python actively developed and supported on Linux? Yes. In fact, Red Hat's installation and administration tools are written in Python and have been for a decade (give or take a year or two). -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-19 Thread SPE - Stani's Python Editor
> Can anyone recommend an open source IDE for Python that runs on Linux? A lot of SPE (http://pythonide.stani.be) users are on all kinds of Linux flavours (but also Mac OSX and windows). I've started to use SPE on Ubuntu. There could be some improvements. As soon as I have time I'll implement them

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-19 Thread Jon Ribbens
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fredrik Lundh wrote: > these days, most end users get their Python either with their OS, > or by downloading a prebuilt installer. Oh, ok. I've just never heard such people referred to as "the distributors" before. It sounds like some sort of TV series! ;-) >> I gu

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-19 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I guess I just don't get why the inclusion of the pysqlite wrapper >is so exciting if all it's doing is changing the situation from >"Python does not come with a DB, but you can install extra software >to provide one" to "Py

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Jon Ribbens wrote: > "The distributors"? Que? all the downstream people who work their asses off to provide pre- built, pre-tested distributions for various platforms. this includes the PSF volunteers, commercial actors, and a large crowd of linux/bsd volunteers. these days, most end users get

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-19 Thread Jon Ribbens
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fredrik Lundh wrote: >> Apologies if I'm being obtuse, but how does including the pysqlite >> wrapper module change anything? You still need to download and install >> SQLite > > I'm pretty sure the distributors will do this for you, just as > they've included zlib,

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-19 Thread Jon Ribbens
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Lambacher wrote: > At least on windows. PySqlite is statically linked with the sqlite library. > This can be done because it is quite small. OK, well that makes sense, but why not on any other platform? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

RE: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
Aahz wrote: >> Indeed, I think the inclusion of ctypes is far and away the most >> exciting thing in 2.5. > > Really? More than pysqlite? My personal fave is the "with" statement. It makes a lot of code so much more elegant - esp. for things which are getting built-in context managers (e.g. fil

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Chris Lambacher
At least on windows. PySqlite is statically linked with the sqlite library. This can be done because it is quite small. -Chris On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 06:51:24PM +, Jon Ribbens wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aahz wrote: > > On that front, I think that pysqlite is much more importan

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aahz wrote: >> >> On that front, I think that pysqlite is much more important because >> it finally gets rid of the excuse for using Berkeley for simple >> database purposes. > >Apologies if I'm

Re: Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-18 Thread Carl J. Van Arsdall
Jarek Zgoda wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał(a): > > >> Is Python actively developed and supported on Linux? Would it be a >> viable option for cross-platform application development? >> > > Yeas and yeas. Yeas. (That's how we pronounce "yes" here, in Poland, > East Europe). > > >> Can

Re: Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-18 Thread Jarek Zgoda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał(a): > Is Python actively developed and supported on Linux? Would it be a > viable option for cross-platform application development? Yeas and yeas. Yeas. (That's how we pronounce "yes" here, in Poland, East Europe). > Can anyone recommend an open source IDE for Python t

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Jon Ribbens wrote: > Apologies if I'm being obtuse, but how does including the pysqlite > wrapper module change anything? You still need to download and install > SQLite I'm pretty sure the distributors will do this for you, just as they've included zlib, dbm, tcl/tk, openssl, and many other stan

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Jon Ribbens
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aahz wrote: > On that front, I think that pysqlite is much more important because > it finally gets rid of the excuse for using Berkeley for simple > database purposes. Apologies if I'm being obtuse, but how does including the pysqlite wrapper module change anything

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Jorge Godoy
Aahz wrote: > Heh. Since we're just finally turning in our 100% first draft of Python > for Dummies, I tend to think more in terms of what a Python newbie will > find useful. On that front, I think that pysqlite is much more > important because it finally gets rid of the excuse for using Berkele

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jorge Godoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Aahz wrote: >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>Indeed, I think the inclusion of ctypes is far and away the most exciting >>>thing in 2.5. >> >> Really? More than pysqlite? > >T

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Jorge Godoy
Aahz wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Indeed, I think the inclusion of ctypes is far and away the most exciting >>thing in 2.5. > > Really? More than pysqlite? To me much more. After all, why would I need pysqlite if I use PostgreSQL? ;-) /me

2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote: >> >> Consider for example that one of the additions to Python 2.5 (currently >> in alpha stage) is the inclusion in the Python standard library of >>

Re: Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-18 Thread bruno at modulix
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've traditionally been a Java developer, although I play around with > LISP. I recently migrated to Linux and I was exploring Mono as an > option for development on Linux. However, I've had some problems with > the maturity and support when working with Mono. So I was co

Re: Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-18 Thread Renato
You don't actually *need* a libglade/pyGtk IDE: glade will be more than enough :-) By its very nature glade will enable you to design the GUI and define the signals. Then you'll load the glade file in python, and use whatever editor you feel comfortable with. -- Have fun, Renato Ramonda -- ht

Re: Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-17 Thread Roy Smith
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote: > Consider for example that one of the additions to Python 2.5 (currently > in alpha stage) is the inclusion in the Python standard library of > ctypes Indeed, I think the inclusion of ctypes is far and away the most exci

Re: Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-17 Thread Alex Martelli
Ravi Teja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I've traditionally been a Java developer, although I play around with LISP. > > For most java developers, understanding dynamic typing is a big step. > Your Lisp background however would mean that you will pick up Python > very quickly. Very good point.

Re: Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-17 Thread redefined . horizons
Ravi Teja wrote: > >> I've traditionally been a Java developer, although I play around with LISP. > > For most java developers, understanding dynamic typing is a big step. > Your Lisp background however would mean that you will pick up Python > very quickly. > > >> I recently migrated to Linux and

Re: Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-17 Thread Ravi Teja
>> I've traditionally been a Java developer, although I play around with LISP. For most java developers, understanding dynamic typing is a big step. Your Lisp background however would mean that you will pick up Python very quickly. >> I recently migrated to Linux and I was exploring Mono as an op

Java Developer Exploring Python

2006-04-17 Thread redefined . horizons
I've traditionally been a Java developer, although I play around with LISP. I recently migrated to Linux and I was exploring Mono as an option for development on Linux. However, I've had some problems with the maturity and support when working with Mono. So I was considering Python as an alternativ