Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-26 Thread Michael Torrie
On 11/26/2014 02:40 AM, Dave Cook wrote: > On 2014-11-22, Michael Torrie wrote: > >> I can't speak for wxWidgets, but when I last looked at it years ago it >> fairly reeked of MFC-style GUI programming with event tables instead of >> a nice, flexible signal/callback interface. Has this changed?

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-26 Thread Mark Summerfield
I've done a fair bit of Python GUI programming, so here's my 2c. Tkinter is small, fast, and v. frustrating to use (but maybe the latter is just me). It looks good on Windows (from 8.5), ugly on Linux, and OK on Mac (but you have to do a fair bit of if MAC do this else do that. The next three w

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-26 Thread Dave Cook
On 2014-11-22, Michael Torrie wrote: > I can't speak for wxWidgets, but when I last looked at it years ago it > fairly reeked of MFC-style GUI programming with event tables instead of > a nice, flexible signal/callback interface. Has this changed? In Python? I've been using wxpython for 6 or 7

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 21, 2014 10:09 PM, "Michael Torrie" wrote: > I can't speak for wxWidgets, but when I last looked at it years ago it > fairly reeked of MFC-style GUI programming with event tables instead of > a nice, flexible signal/callback interface. Has this changed? I recall the C++ implementation use

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-22 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 22.11.14 19:33, schrieb wxjmfa...@gmail.com: As you are rewriting unicode, a small suggestion/request. Assume that one processes a part of the Bible in polytonic Greek, one has to create a ton of temporary (locale) letters, <°)))o>< αὐτὸν τὸν ἰχθύα ὁ Χριστιανὸς ἔγραψε τρόλλοι -- h

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-22 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 11/22/14, 3:59 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: TeXLive (since 2014, if I'm not wrong) has a GUI installer and package manager, I recognized a "tcl/tk/tkinter-like" - Perl tool and contrary to Python it works. That's Perl-Tk, which, as I said, is still around, but only runs on Windows and X11

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-21 Thread Michael Torrie
On 11/20/2014 02:17 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > But I agree about the issues with tkinter. So, let's see. Shall we > wait for Tcl/Tk Unicode support? Recommend people switch to PyGTK? To > PyQt? To wxPython? To something else? Personally, I'm quite happy with > GTK2 (though that's with Pike, not Py

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-21 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 11/20/14, 11:34 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: A possible solution for Tk is to replace the non-C Tcl parts of TK with Python (or the CPython API functions as needed for speed). I have no idea how horrendous a project creating Py/Tk would be. It would be very horrendous. See Perl/Tk as the example.

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-21 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 11/20/14, 4:04 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: Apple is a moving target, they pulled the rug from under Tk's feet twice over the past 10 years. Nobody knows if Tk will continue to exist on the mac if Cocoa is withdrawn some day and replaced by a new and completely different windowing framework

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-21 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 21.11.14 05:49, schrieb Paul Rubin: Terry Reedy writes: Tcl/Tk currently use UCS-2, which only handles BMP chars. Alternatives to support astral chars: [other encodings] This is not entirely true: Tcl supports "lazy" typing, i.e. values (Tcl_Obj) are cast upon request into various Tcl_Obj

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-20 Thread Paul Rubin
Terry Reedy writes: > Tcl/Tk currently use UCS-2, which only handles BMP chars. Alternatives > to support astral chars: [other encodings] I haven't looked into the issue but from Christian's post it sounded like the BMP limitation was deeper inside Tcl/TK and would take more serious work to fix.

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-20 Thread Terry Reedy
On 11/20/2014 4:04 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: Tcl nor Tk support Unicode outside the BMP. Full Unicode support is a big todo item on the wishlist for Tcl 9, for Tk nobody really knows. We are lacking manpower and people with specialized knowledge. Tcl/Tk currently use UCS-2, which only ha

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > Am 20.11.14 09:40, schrieb Chris Angelico: >> >> Ignore jmf. > > > He is trolling, but in this point he is right, unfortunately: neither Tcl > nor Tk support Unicode outside the BMP. Full Unicode support is a big todo > item on the wis

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-20 Thread Christian Gollwitzer
Am 20.11.14 09:40, schrieb Chris Angelico: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: wxjmfa...@gmail.com writes: Today, there are simply no more valid and working GUI toolkit running "out of the box". Tkinter still works for me. What's the problem? Ignore jmf. He is trolling, b

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: > wxjmfa...@gmail.com writes: >> Today, there are simply no more valid and working >> GUI toolkit running "out of the box". > > Tkinter still works for me. What's the problem? Ignore jmf. Most of us didn't even see his post, for one reason or an

Re: GUI toolkit(s) status

2014-11-20 Thread Paul Rubin
wxjmfa...@gmail.com writes: > Today, there are simply no more valid and working > GUI toolkit running "out of the box". Tkinter still works for me. What's the problem? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list