On Tuesday, 25 September 2012 05:48:22 UTC+5:30, David Hutto wrote:
> > Is the animated GIF on your website under 60MB yet?
>
> yeah a command line called convert, and taking out a few jpegs used to
>
> convert, and I can reduce it to any size, what's the fucking point of
>
> that question othe
Tim Chase wrote:
> [snip] though I'm minorly miffed that
> enumerate()'s starting-offset wasn't back-ported into earlier 2.x
> versions and have had to code around it for 1-based indexing; either
> extra "+1"s or whip up my own simple enumerate() generator).
Starting offset is in Python 2.6, unle
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:16:40 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
>> On 25/09/2012 10:53, Chris Rebert wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Well, the PSU might, except they emphatically do not exist...
>>
>> I know that they exist
>
> You are delusional. T
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:16:40 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 25/09/2012 10:53, Chris Rebert wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Well, the PSU might, except they emphatically do not exist...
>
> I know that they exist
You are delusional. The PSU certainly do not exist and it is a myth that
they
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On 25/09/2012 11:57, Tim Chase wrote:
[snip]
Coming from C where just about *nothing* is in the stdlib and Java &
PHP where only some core functionalities are in the stdlib, to
Python where just the list of modules in the stdlib is humongous, I
have to make http://docs.python.org/library/ my f
On 09/25/12 00:53, Thomas Rachel wrote:
> Am 25.09.2012 01:39 schrieb Dwight Hutto:
>> You don't always know all the built-ins, so the builtin is
>> simpler, but knowing how to code it yourself is the priority of
>> learning to code in a higher level language, which should be
>> simpler to the user
On 25/09/2012 10:53, Chris Rebert wrote:
[snip]
Well, the PSU might, except they emphatically do not exist...
I know that they exist but if I admit to it I'd have to shoot myself.
If I can get the bra off of the debutante that is.
Cheers,
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On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:46 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 25/09/2012 10:32, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I wrote my first program on a PDP-8. I discovered Python
>> at release 1.5.?
>>
>> Now years later... I find Python more and more unusable.
>> I'm toying more and more with the go languag
On 25/09/2012 10:32, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote my first program on a PDP-8. I discovered Python
at release 1.5.?
Now years later... I find Python more and more unusable.
Dementia is a growing problem for us older people :)
As an exemple related to this topic, which summarizes a
lit
I wrote my first program on a PDP-8. I discovered Python
at release 1.5.?
Now years later... I find Python more and more unusable.
As an exemple related to this topic, which summarizes a
little bit the situation. I just opened my interactive
interpreter and produced this:
>>> for i in range(len(
On 25/09/2012 08:46, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:53:55 +0200, Thomas Rachel wrote:
When learning Python, it often happend me to re-inven the wheel. But as
soon as I saw the presence of something I re-wrote, I skipped my
re-written version and used the built-in.
And me.
Not
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Dwight Hutto wrote:
>> By now I think we're in the DNFTT zone.
>> --
> Taking a bite yourself there buddy. Hop under the bridge, and
> comment...it make you a troll, and you're trying to feed yourself with
> pile on comment from the rest of the under bridge dwelle
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:53:55 +0200, Thomas Rachel wrote:
> When learning Python, it often happend me to re-inven the wheel. But as
> soon as I saw the presence of something I re-wrote, I skipped my
> re-written version and used the built-in.
And me.
Not just Python either. The very first piece o
> By now I think we're in the DNFTT zone.
> --
Taking a bite yourself there buddy. Hop under the bridge, and
comment...it make you a troll, and you're trying to feed yourself with
pile on comment from the rest of the under bridge dwellers.
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Am 25.09.2012 01:39 schrieb Dwight Hutto:
It's not the simpler solution I'm referring to, it's the fact that if
you're learning, then you should be able to design the built-in, not
just use it.
In some simpler cases you are right here. But the fact that you are able
to design it doesn't neces
alex23 writes:
> To highlight the vast gulf between what you think you are and what you
> actually produce.
By now I think we're in the DNFTT zone.
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On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> On 9/24/2012 6:25 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote:
>>>
>>> To highlight the vast gulf between what you think you are and what you
>>> actually produce.
>>
>> I produce working code, and if it works, then I don't just think...I know.
>>
>> Working
On 9/24/2012 6:25 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote:
To highlight the vast gulf between what you think you are and what you
actually produce.
I produce working code, and if it works, then I don't just think...I know.
Working code != good code. Just an observation. Also, I've noticed a vast differences
be
On 25 September 2012 01:17, Dwight Hutto wrote:
> > Is the animated GIF on your website under 60MB yet?
> yeah a command line called convert, and taking out a few jpegs used to
> convert, and I can reduce it to any size, what's the fucking point of
> that question other than ignorant rhetoric, th
> To highlight the vast gulf between what you think you are and what you
> actually produce.
I produce working code, and if it works, then I don't just think...I know.
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> Is the animated GIF on your website under 60MB yet?
yeah a command line called convert, and taking out a few jpegs used to
convert, and I can reduce it to any size, what's the fucking point of
that question other than ignorant rhetoric, that you know is easily
fixable?
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On Sep 25, 10:18 am, Dwight Hutto wrote:
> what's the fucking point of that question
To highlight the vast gulf between what you think you are and what you
actually produce.
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On Sep 25, 9:49 am, Dwight Hutto wrote:
> Rolling> your own version of an existing function from scratch is _not_ the
> > "professional" approach.
>
> Yes it is, if you don't know the builtin, and everyone has memory flaws.
Let me break this down for you in simple terms.
Code represents experien
Propaganda over...
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>> Well if you're learning then the builtin might be more like how we
>> answer students questions here, than those doing work.
>
> STOP SAYING THIS NONSENSE.
>
> Using a pre-defined function is _not_ the "student" approach.
What are talking about, I suggested they roll there own in several
respons
On Sep 25, 9:39 am, Dwight Hutto wrote:
> It's not the simpler solution I'm referring to, it's the fact that if
> you're learning, then you should be able to design the built-in, not
> just use it.
Garbage. I don't need to be able to build a SQLAlchemy to use it. I
don't need to be able to build
On Sep 25, 8:26 am, Dwight Hutto wrote:
> It's a function usage. Not to be too serious, there are usually
> simpler solutions, and built in functions.
`enumerate` _is_ a built-in function. Please provide an example of a
"simpler solution".
It's not the simpler solution I'm referring to, it's the
On Sep 25, 8:58 am, Dwight Hutto wrote:
> Well if you're learning then the builtin might be more like how we
> answer students questions here, than those doing work.
STOP SAYING THIS NONSENSE.
Using a pre-defined function is _not_ the "student" approach. Rolling
your own version of an existing f
> *How* would one implement this better, more simply (for the user, not the
> implementator) or in a more readable manner? Chose *any* one of those.
Well if you're learning then the builtin might be more like how we
answer students questions here, than those doing work.
Write out the algorithmic
On 24 September 2012 23:26, Dwight Hutto wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
> > jimbo1qaz wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:36:19 AM UTC-7, jimbo1qaz wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a
> counter
> >>> in
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
> jimbo1qaz wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:36:19 AM UTC-7, jimbo1qaz wrote:
>>>
>>> Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a counter
>>> in the for loops? That's a very basic request, but I couldn't find an
jimbo1qaz wrote:
On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:36:19 AM UTC-7, jimbo1qaz wrote:
Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a counter in
the for loops? That's a very basic request, but I couldn't find anything in the
documentation.
Ya, they should really give a better w
On 24/09/2012 01:05, Tim Chase wrote:
On 09/23/12 18:52, Alec Taylor wrote:
You can always use a counter if you don't like our fancy for-each loops;
foolist = [1,24,24,234,23,423,4]
for i in xrange(len(foolist)):
print foolist[i]
http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~lignos/py_antipatterns.html
Th
On 09/23/12 18:52, Alec Taylor wrote:
> You can always use a counter if you don't like our fancy for-each loops;
>
> foolist = [1,24,24,234,23,423,4]
> for i in xrange(len(foolist)):
> print foolist[i]
http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~lignos/py_antipatterns.html
The first one on the list of anti-p
You can always use a counter if you don't like our fancy for-each loops;
foolist = [1,24,24,234,23,423,4]
for i in xrange(len(foolist)):
print foolist[i]
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Tim Chase wrote:
> On 09/23/12 17:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:45:53 -0700, jimb
On 09/23/12 17:54, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:45:53 -0700, jimbo1qaz wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:36:19 AM UTC-7, jimbo1qaz wrote:
>>> Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a
>>> counter in the for loops? That's a very basic request, but I
On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:45:53 -0700, jimbo1qaz wrote:
> On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:36:19 AM UTC-7, jimbo1qaz wrote:
>> Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a
>> counter in the for loops? That's a very basic request, but I couldn't
>> find anything in the documentatio
On Sep 23, 2012 6:52 PM, "jimbo1qaz" wrote:
>
> On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:36:19 AM UTC-7, jimbo1qaz wrote:
> > Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a
counter in the for loops? That's a very basic request, but I couldn't find
anything in the documentation.
>
> Ya, t
On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:36:19 AM UTC-7, jimbo1qaz wrote:
> Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a counter in
> the for loops? That's a very basic request, but I couldn't find anything in
> the documentation.
Ya, they should really give a better way, but for now
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:36 AM, jimbo1qaz wrote:
> Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a counter in
> the for loops? That's a very basic request, but I couldn't find anything in
> the documentation.
You mean, if you want the indices as well as the values? Try the
en
On Sep 23, 2012 5:42 PM, "jimbo1qaz" wrote:
>
> Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a counter
in the for loops? That's a very basic request, but I couldn't find anything
in the documentation.
Have you seen the enumerate function?
Oscar
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On Sep 23, 2012, at 12:42 PM, jimbo1qaz wrote:
> Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a counter in
> the for loops? That's a very basic request, but I couldn't find anything in
> the documentation.
for idx in : print (idx)
i.e.. for idx in range(10): print(idx)
> -
Am I missing something obvious, or do I have to manually put in a counter in
the for loops? That's a very basic request, but I couldn't find anything in the
documentation.
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