Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-15 Thread Roel Schroeven
MRAB schreef: On 2012-10-14 23:38, Dave Angel wrote: On 10/14/2012 08:48 AM, Roy Smith wrote: In article <507a3365$0$6574$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Remember using PEEK and POKE commands with BASIC back in 1978? Pretty much impossible in Python. But, trivia

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-14 Thread MRAB
On 2012-10-14 23:38, Dave Angel wrote: On 10/14/2012 08:48 AM, Roy Smith wrote: In article <507a3365$0$6574$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Remember using PEEK and POKE commands with BASIC back in 1978? Pretty much impossible in Python. But, trivial to implement

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-14 Thread Dave Angel
On 10/14/2012 08:48 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article <507a3365$0$6574$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>, > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Remember using PEEK and POKE commands with BASIC back in >> 1978? Pretty much impossible in Python. > But, trivial to implement as an extension :-) PEEK and

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-14 Thread Roy Smith
In article <507a3365$0$6574$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Remember using PEEK and POKE commands with BASIC back in > 1978? Pretty much impossible in Python. But, trivial to implement as an extension :-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 05:33:40 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Forcing programmers to work in one particular style is usually not the >> job of the language/framework/library. > > Have you actually programmed before? > > *grin* > > I've nev

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 05:33:40 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: > Forcing programmers to work in one particular style is usually not the > job of the language/framework/library. Have you actually programmed before? *grin* I've never come across a language/framework/library that DOESN'T force progra

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread MRAB
On 2012-10-14 03:25, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:24:04 -0700, nbvfour wrote: On Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:33:43 PM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote: Nice theory, but this is the bit that I fundamentally disagree with. Forcing programmers to work in one particular style is usua

Re: one obvious parser (was "Feedback on my python framework I'm building.")

2012-10-13 Thread Tim Chase
On 10/13/12 21:25, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Not being Dutch, I don't know whether the obvious way to do command line > argument handling is the getopt module or argparse. But there certainly > isn't *only one way* to do command line argument handling. As an aside, I just watched a fascinating vi

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:24:04 -0700, nbvfour wrote: > On Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:33:43 PM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> Nice theory, but this is the bit that I fundamentally disagree with. >> Forcing programmers to work in one particular style is usually not the >> job of the language/fr

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 13 October 2012 17:48, Chris Angelico wrote: > > The only way to support *absolutely everything* is to do nothing - to > be a framework so thin you're invisible. (That's not to say you're > useless; there are bridge modules that do exactly this - ctypes can > call on any library function from P

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:24 AM, wrote: > On Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:33:43 PM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> Nice theory, but this is the bit that I fundamentally disagree with. >> Forcing programmers to work in one particular style is usually not the >> job of the language/framework/lib

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread nbvfour
On Saturday, October 13, 2012 2:33:43 PM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote: > > Nice theory, but this is the bit that I fundamentally disagree with. > Forcing programmers to work in one particular style is usually not the > job of the language/framework/library. That should be up to the > programmer, or

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:18 AM, wrote: > On Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:48:23 PM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote: >> No, I don't, because I haven't tried to use it. But allow me to give >> two examples, one on each side of the argument. >> >> The 'tee' utility is primarily for writing a pipe to di

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread nbvfour
On Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:48:23 PM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote: > No, I don't, because I haven't tried to use it. But allow me to give > two examples, one on each side of the argument. > > The 'tee' utility is primarily for writing a pipe to disk AND to > further pipelining, for instance:

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:57 AM, wrote: > Do you have an example of a task that giotto can't handle that other > frameworks can? One of my goals is to have this framework "turing complete" > in the sense that everything that other frameworks can do, giotto should be > able to do. I think my co

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Etienne Robillard
On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT) nbvf...@gmail.com wrote: > Do you have an example of a task that giotto can't handle that other > frameworks can? One of my goals is to have this framework "turing complete" > in the sense that everything that other frameworks can do, giotto should be >

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread nbvfour
On Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:13:22 AM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, wrote: > > > Basically its a framework that forces the developer(s) to strictly separate > > the model from the view and controller. You can 'hook up' multiple > > controllers to a project

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Etienne Robillard
On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 01:12:30 +1100 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, wrote: > > Basically its a framework that forces the developer(s) to strictly separate > > the model from the view and controller. You can 'hook up' multiple > > controllers to a project. The model lay

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, wrote: > Basically its a framework that forces the developer(s) to strictly separate > the model from the view and controller. You can 'hook up' multiple > controllers to a project. The model layer can be completely mocked out so > front end designers don't hav

Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-13 Thread Etienne Robillard
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:49:55 -0700 (PDT) nbvf...@gmail.com wrote: > http://giotto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/tutorial.html > > Can someone give me some feedback on what they think of this framework? I > came up with the idea of this framework a few months ago. I gave a talk at a > local python u

Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

2012-10-12 Thread nbvfour
http://giotto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/tutorial.html Can someone give me some feedback on what they think of this framework? I came up with the idea of this framework a few months ago. I gave a talk at a local python user group regarding these ideas, but no one seemed to think I was onto anyth