On 2013-07-12, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:45:33 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
>
>> In article <2fdf282e-fd28-4ba3-8c83-ce120...@googlegroups.com>,
>> jus...@zeusedit.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:17:12 PM UTC+10, Xue Fuqiao wrote:
>>>
>>> > * It is especiall
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:34:30 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber
wrote:
Sounds like you might have liked an accessory I had on my Amiga.
Basically a proportional joystick feeding an interface box which
converted
the position value into a sequence of mouse movements --
sounds very cool. Alt
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 00:24:26 -0400, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
Frankly, nothing comes even close to a real mouse for feedback and ease
of use. Maybe a stylus. But that's it.
before tremors, I would agree with you. Stylus is amazingly good tool for
user interaction in a GUI. After tremors, not
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:50:17 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Paul Rudin
>> wrote:
>>> Text selection with a mouse is a different thing. Sometimes it's more
>>> convenient, sometimes it's not.
>>
>> As scr
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:50:17 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Paul Rudin
> wrote:
>> Text selection with a mouse is a different thing. Sometimes it's more
>> convenient, sometimes it's not.
>
> As screens get larger and the amount of text on them increases, it's
>
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Big deal. I am utterly unconvinced that raw typing speed is even close to
> a bottleneck when programming. Data entry and transcribing from (say)
> dictated text, yes. Coding, not unless you are a one-fingered hunt-and-
> peek typist. The
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:45:33 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article <2fdf282e-fd28-4ba3-8c83-ce120...@googlegroups.com>,
> jus...@zeusedit.com wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:17:12 PM UTC+10, Xue Fuqiao wrote:
>>
>> > * It is especially handy for selecting and deleting text.
>>
>>
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Paul Rudin wrote:
> Text selection with a mouse is a different thing. Sometimes it's
> more convenient, sometimes it's not.
As screens get larger and the amount of text on them increases, it's
likely to get more and more useful to use a mouse... but personally, I
Roy Smith writes:
> This is why I never understood the attraction of something like
> xemacs, where you use the mouse to make text selections and run
> commands out of menus.
Menus are good for learning the functionality, and you have them just as
much in Gnu emacs as in xemacs. You can even us
In article <2fdf282e-fd28-4ba3-8c83-ce120...@googlegroups.com>,
jus...@zeusedit.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:17:12 PM UTC+10, Xue Fuqiao wrote:
>
> > * It is especially handy for selecting and deleting text.
>
> When coding I never use a mouse to select text regions or to dele
On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:17:12 PM UTC+10, Xue Fuqiao wrote:
> * It is especially handy for selecting and deleting text.
When coding I never use a mouse to select text regions or to delete text.
These operations I do using just the keyboard.
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyt
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Giorgos Tzampanakis
wrote:
> On 2013-07-06, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> * movement between the mouse and the keyboard
>
> Avoid at all costs. Use an editor that never needs the mouse (emacs or
> vim).
I don't use vim often, but for Emacs, I think mouse is often needed
On 7/9/2013 8:12 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote:
On 2013-07-09, Jason Friedman wrote:
I am right-handed and use a lefty-mouse about 50% of the time.
It was difficult at first, now I'm almost as fast lefty as
righty. As has been stated by others, changing the muscles
being used reduces the impact on any
On 2013-07-09, Jason Friedman wrote:
> I am right-handed and use a lefty-mouse about 50% of the time.
> It was difficult at first, now I'm almost as fast lefty as
> righty. As has been stated by others, changing the muscles
> being used reduces the impact on any one of them.
That's the system I'v
I am right-handed and use a lefty-mouse about 50% of the time.
It was difficult at first, now I'm almost as fast lefty as righty.
As has been stated by others, changing the muscles being used reduces the
impact on any one of them.
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On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 16:04:00 +0100, rusi wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:40:39 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote:
* a lot of typing,
* use of modifier keys (ctrl, alt, command, etc)
* movement between the mouse and the keyboard
My own experience: The second 2 are the worse culprits.
And w
On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 22:34:46 -0700, jussij wrote:
> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 12:41:02 PM UTC+10, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> I am not an ergonomic expert, but I understand that moving from mouse
>> to keyboard actually helps prevent RSI, because it slows down the rate
>> of keystrokes and uses dif
On 2013-07-06, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> More likely, rms ignored the problem and had bad personal ergomonics:
> ignorance or lack of understanding of the problem, poor posture,
> wrists not in a neutral position, lack of breaks, etc. If you stop to
> think about it, all text editors probably prese
On Sunday, July 7, 2013 12:41:02 PM UTC+10, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I am not an ergonomic expert, but I understand that moving from mouse to
> keyboard actually helps prevent RSI, because it slows down the rate of
> keystrokes and uses different muscle groups.
After 20+ years of coding using t
On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 09:10:39 -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that emacs'
>> ergonomics is not right.
>
> Kind of a small sample size, don't you think?
Yes, but RMS is worth 1000 ordinary programmers!!!
*wink*
[...]
> More likely, rms ignore
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:04 AM, rusi wrote:
> On Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:40:39 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> > The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that
>> > emacs' ergonomics is not right.
>>
>> Kind of a small sample size, don't you think? Hopefully we can kill
>> this me
On Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:40:39 PM UTC+5:30, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> > The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that
> > emacs' ergonomics is not right.
>
> Kind of a small sample size, don't you think? Hopefully we can kill
> this meme that Emacs is somehow worse for your wrists than
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> If you stop to
> think about it, all text editors probably present similar issues for
> their users. They all involve:
>
> * a lot of typing,
> * use of modifier keys (ctrl, alt, command, etc)
> * movement between the mouse and the keyboard
> The fact that rms has crippling RSI should indicate that
> emacs' ergonomics is not right.
Kind of a small sample size, don't you think? Hopefully we can kill
this meme that Emacs is somehow worse for your wrists than other text
editors before it goes any further than your one unsupported
assert
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