Re: Copyright [was Re: Python Obfuscation]

2005-11-14 Thread garabik-news-2005-05
Erik Max Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: > >> Depends on the country's laws and the exact agreement. > > Work for hire is part of the Berne convention. > According to recent (2003) Slovak copyright law, ONLY the individual authors own the copyright, and they cann

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python Obfuscation]

2005-11-13 Thread David T
I realize that this thread skirts with being OT, but there are serious implications for Pythonistas and Open Source software types. I didn't mean to suggest that T.E. moved to California. I did, however, misspeak (mis-type?) when I said Edison formed a studio in California. His was in NJ, ac

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python Obfuscation]

2005-11-13 Thread Alex Martelli
David T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > Tom Edison moved to California so _he_ could skirt copyright laws of I'm not aware of any move to California for either the better-known Thomas Alva Edison, or his lesser-known and less successful son of the same name. Could you clarify? The movie indu

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python Obfuscation]

2005-11-13 Thread Erik Max Francis
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > That is *not* generally true, although it is true in certain industries, > such as newspapers. It is true in many industries, including the software industry. My point was that the creator of a work and the copyright holder and not necessarily one and the same. Often,

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python Obfuscation]

2005-11-13 Thread Erik Max Francis
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: > Depends on the country's laws and the exact agreement. Work for hire is part of the Berne convention. -- Erik Max Francis && [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.alcyone.com/max/ San Jose, CA, USA && 37 20 N 121 53 W && AIM erikmaxfrancis Life is painting a picture, n

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python Obfuscation]

2005-11-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:16:43 -0800, Erik Max Francis wrote: > David T wrote: > >> Individuals, and perhaps groups of individuals are the creators of >> works. > > When someone pays you to create a work, then they own the copyright, not > you. It's called work for hire. That is *not* general

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python Obfuscation]

2005-11-13 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Erik Max Francis a écrit : > David T wrote: > >> Individuals, and perhaps groups of individuals are the creators of >> works. > > > When someone pays you to create a work, then they own the copyright, Depends on the country's laws and the exact agreement. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/l

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python obfuscation]

2005-11-13 Thread Erik Max Francis
Mike Meyer wrote: > Further, recent evidence is that this is no longer true in that > country, assuming it ever was. Oh, please. Take the political crap elsewhere. -- Erik Max Francis && [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.alcyone.com/max/ San Jose, CA, USA && 37 20 N 121 53 W && AIM erikmaxfranci

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python Obfuscation]

2005-11-13 Thread Erik Max Francis
David T wrote: > Individuals, and perhaps groups of individuals are the creators of > works. When someone pays you to create a work, then they own the copyright, not you. It's called work for hire. -- Erik Max Francis && [EMAIL PROTECTED] && http://www.alcyone.com/max/ San Jose, CA, USA &&

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python obfuscation]

2005-11-13 Thread The Eternal Squire
>As far as I know, only one country ever claimed to have that, so your >"we" only applies to citizens of that country, and not to everyone who >may be reading the letter - and the status of the person you quoted >but did not attribute is unclear. It applies to not only the US, which explicitly has

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python obfuscation]

2005-11-12 Thread Mike Meyer
"The Eternal Squire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Copyright is a gift granted by the government, not the natural state of >>the world. When kings and emperors and presidents give commercial and >>economic gifts, like monopolies, they rarely are for the benefit of the >>majority. > Last I knew, we

Re: Copyright [was Re: Python obfuscation]

2005-11-12 Thread The Eternal Squire
>Perhaps there is no way to make a living from writing novels without >copyright. There is no way to make a living from playing solitaire either >-- should the government pass a law giving a legal monopoly on playing red >queen on a black king to my granny, so that everyone playing that move >has t

[OT] Copyright [was Re: Python obfuscation]

2005-11-12 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:22:45 -0800, The Eternal Squire wrote: > Without copyright, how could one possibly earn a living writing a > novel? I don't know. How did William Shakespeare make a living from writing plays and sonnets and poems? How did Sir Walter Scott make a living from writing novels