Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-09-01 Thread David Bolen
Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Anybody remember Scribe? (raising hand) OT, but I still have a bunch of Scribe source documents from college. Of course, as I attended CMU where it originated I suppose that's not unusual. Definitely pre-WYSIWYG, but one of the first to separate presenta

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-09-01 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Anybody remember Scribe? Not directly http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.cpm.amethyst/msg/d12201a697384a6a -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "If you don't know what your

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-09-01 Thread Roy Smith
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By the way, did you know there was life before TEX? Back in that era, the > main open-source markup system in use was ... troff. Still not quite dead > today, it lives on in the definition of Unix/Linux man pages. I would hardly call troff "open so

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-09-01 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Rubin wrote: > TeX/LateX have been around forever and are well established standards, > as awful as they are. Why do we want ANOTHER markup language? We > need fewer, not more. Because time marches on, and the deficiencies of the old way of doing things beco

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-27 Thread Steve Holden
Wildemar Wildenburger wrote: > Robert Kern wrote: >> Wildemar Wildenburger wrote: >> >>> Torsten Bronger wrote: >>> Hallöchen! >>> Yes, you're German. Have you ever noticed that (we) Germans are >>> virtually the only ones that feel the need to rub our nationality

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-27 Thread Wildemar Wildenburger
Robert Kern wrote: > Wildemar Wildenburger wrote: > >> Torsten Bronger wrote: >> >>> Hallöchen! >>> >>> >> Yes, you're German. Have you ever noticed that (we) Germans are >> virtually the only ones that feel the need to rub our nationality into >> everyones faces? ;) >> > >

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-26 Thread bambam
> virtually the only ones that feel the need to rub our nationality into I'd always assumed (I never spent much time) that Germans were another culture that had the habit of greeting groups on entrance. Australians, English, and most of North America just don't have that habit. Steve. "Wildemar

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-25 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! Jeremy Sanders writes: > Torsten Bronger wrote: > >> I don't know exactly what you mean but the answer is probably no. >> For example, I want the author to state the title, keywords, etc >> of his document, however, he should not state that he wants the >> title printed centred and 4cm

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-25 Thread Jeremy Sanders
Torsten Bronger wrote: > I don't know exactly what you mean but the answer is probably no. > For example, I want the author to state the title, keywords, etc of > his document, however, he should not state that he wants the title > printed centred and 4cm from the top of the page. > > The latter

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! Evan Klitzke writes: > On 8/23/07, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup >> language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project >> description, however, we could need some help. > > I have another question

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Evan Klitzke
On 8/23/07, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup > language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project > description, however, we could need some help. Torsten, I have another question about your markup language. Are t

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread James Stroud
Torsten Bronger wrote: > Reading only forums and newsgroups, one may think that this is > impossible but in real life, I've seen more people using LaTeX > exactly once and never again than people who keep using it. This is funny. I developed a pretty good competence in LaTeX to write my thesis (w

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Robert Kern
Wildemar Wildenburger wrote: > Torsten Bronger wrote: >> Hallöchen! >> > Yes, you're German. Have you ever noticed that (we) Germans are > virtually the only ones that feel the need to rub our nationality into > everyones faces? ;) Howdy! We Americans do the same. ;-) -- Robert Kern "I h

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! Aahz writes: > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> [...] >> >> reStructuredText, AsciiDoc, and some others focus on source code >> documentation, or on software documentation. In contrast to >> that, our markup should be suitable for PhD theses, papers and >> the like. T

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Jeremy Sanders
Torsten Bronger wrote: > Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup > language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project > description, however, we could need some help. > > If you are interested, visit the provisional project page at > http://latex-bronger.sourceforg

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! David Boddie writes: > On Fri Aug 24 11:04:33 CEST 2007, Torsten Bronger wrote: > >> Paul Rubin writes: >> >>> TeX/LateX have been around forever and are well established >>> standards, as awful as they are. Why do we want ANOTHER markup >>> language? >> >> Well, because they are aw

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread J. Robertson
olive wrote: >>> [snip] > > But few people are used to Plain Text Markup (excepted in some > scientific area maybe) and it is error prone. > It looks very much like Gummi's authors and target audience actually are part of the few people you are talking about: i.e. console-happy folks that ar

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread David Boddie
On Fri Aug 24 11:04:33 CEST 2007, Torsten Bronger wrote: > Paul Rubin writes: > > > TeX/LateX have been around forever and are well established > > standards, as awful as they are. Why do we want ANOTHER markup > > language? > > Well, because they are awful. ;-) I don't see that there is a >

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Aahz writes: >> >> My point is that docutils already exists; given the combined >> competition from LaTeX and docutils and OpenOffice, you should >> probably explain what differentiates your project and why people >> shoul

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread olive
On 24 août, 13:34, Wildemar Wildenburger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > olive wrote: > > What you need is good structured text editor which hides as much as > > possible the underlying XML (or other) format. > > What you do there is pose extra requirements on the user ("Use a text > editor with some

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Wildemar Wildenburger
olive wrote: > What you need is good structured text editor which hides as much as > possible the underlying XML (or other) format. > What you do there is pose extra requirements on the user ("Use a text editor with some far-out functions"). That will prevent your (well, Torsten's ;)) standard

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! Wildemar Wildenburger writes: > [...] > >> Well, because they are awful. ;-) I don't see that there is a >> bunch of already existing projects, in fact, I don't see anyone >> challenging LaTeX at all. However, competition is a good thing, >> and I think there are enough aspects abo

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread olive
On 24 août, 12:43, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallöchen! > > olive writes: > > What about ODF ? (http://www.odfalliance.org/) Isn't it a good > > competitor ? > > I'd be a nice further backend but I doubt that people want to enter > XML. > Why not if the schema is designed toward

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! olive writes: > [...] > >> Well, because they are awful. ;-) I don't see that there is a >> bunch of already existing projects, in fact, I don't see anyone >> challenging LaTeX at all. However, competition is a good thing, >> and I think there are enough aspects about LaTeX that can

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Wildemar Wildenburger
Torsten Bronger wrote: > Hallöchen! > > Yes, you're German. Have you ever noticed that (we) Germans are virtually the only ones that feel the need to rub our nationality into everyones faces? ;) > Paul Rubin writes > >> TeX/LateX have been around forever and are well established >> standa

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread olive
> > Well, because they are awful. ;-) I don't see that there is a > bunch of already existing projects, in fact, I don't see anyone > challenging LaTeX at all. However, competition is a good thing, and > I think there are enough aspects about LaTeX that can be done better > so that this project

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! Evan Klitzke writes: > On 8/23/07, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup >> language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project >> description, however, we could need some help. >> >> If you are interested

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! Paul Rubin writes: > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The differences to LaTeX are explained comprehensively on the >> webpage, and actually LaTeX is the real competitor rather than >> reStructuredText. > > TeX/LateX have been around forever and are well established > s

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Evan Klitzke
On 8/23/07, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallöchen! > > Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup > language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project > description, however, we could need some help. > > If you are interested, visit the provisional proj

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-24 Thread Paul Rubin
Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The differences to LaTeX are explained comprehensively on the > webpage, and actually LaTeX is the real competitor rather than > reStructuredText. TeX/LateX have been around forever and are well established standards, as awful as they are. Why do we w

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-23 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! Aahz writes: > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Aahz writes: >> >>> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project description, how

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-23 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Aahz writes: >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup >>> language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-23 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! Aahz writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup >> language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project >> description, however, we could need some help. > > http://d

Re: Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-23 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup >language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project >description, however, we could need some help. http://docutils.sourceforge.net/ -- Aahz ([EMA

Co-developers wanted: document markup language

2007-08-23 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen! Some LaTeX users in Aachen thought about a general-use markup language this spring. I wrote some code and a rough project description, however, we could need some help. If you are interested, visit the provisional project page at http://latex-bronger.sourceforge.net/gummi/ Tschö, Tor