On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:15:19 -0600, rumours say that Ron Adam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> might have written:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Cheese (or the lack of cheese) is never silly, Thus the slogan... "The
>power of cheese".
>
>Now if you want silliness, then the correct establishment for that is
>
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>
> since when is Microsoft a programming language ?
Well, to many a recruiter or middle-manager it almost is a kind of
programming language, given their often vague usage of that and other
product and technology names. But anyway, people who call themselves
"Java developers",
On 3/16/06, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But the usual distinction (on any project web page) is
> "User" versus "Developer".
>
> Who is a "user" of Python? That would be you, right? It
> would be fairly silly to have a page only for people who
> have programs written in Python that t
Paul Boddie wrote:
> > one of the richest people on earth did define what developers are:
> >
> > http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html
>
> I was wondering when someone would mention the "developers, developers,
> developers" Ballmer song-and-dance incident: clearly, he isn't chanting
> about in
Harald Armin Massa wrote:
>
> one of the richest people on earth did define what developers are:
>
> http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html
I was wondering when someone would mention the "developers, developers,
developers" Ballmer song-and-dance incident: clearly, he isn't chanting
about intern
Tim,
> For most people 'developers' would mean people developing *with* python,
> not developing python.
one of the richest people on earth did define what developers are:
http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html
people developing with something. So, unless we get /F or BDFL to do an
even more a
Terry Hancock wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:22:09 -0700
> Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>A.M. Kuchling wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:25:19 +0100,
>>> Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
and while you're at it, change "python-dev" to
>>>
>>>"developers" and
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:22:09 -0700
Steven Bethard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:25:19 +0100,
> > Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> and while you're at it, change "python-dev" to
> >"developers" and > "psf" to "foundation" (or use a tit
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:58:05 -0500
"Peter Decker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course, you're straying so far from the original
> thought behind this thread, and that is that the Python
> website is using some terms differently than the majority
> of people who will eventually use the site would
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/01/0150222
Customer: Well, then, have you got any Venezuelan Beaver Cheese?
Owner: Sir, this is a self-respecting establishment. I shall thank you
not to imply we should traffic in VB, much less, even mention the foul
product.
Props,
Chris
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>A.M. Kuchling wrote:
>
>
>
>>I've changed the PSF link, but am not sure what to do about the
>>python-dev link. As others have noted, "Developers" is ambiguous
>>about whether it's for people who develop in Python or who develop
>>Python itself."Core Development"? (Us
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>A.M. Kuchling wrote:
>
>
>
>>I've changed the PSF link, but am not sure what to do about the
>>python-dev link. As others have noted, "Developers" is ambiguous
>>about whether it's for people who develop in Python or who develop
>>Python itself."Core Development"? (Us
A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> I've changed the PSF link, but am not sure what to do about the
> python-dev link. As others have noted, "Developers" is ambiguous
> about whether it's for people who develop in Python or who develop
> Python itself."Core Development"? (Used on both perl.org and tcl.tk
A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:25:19 +0100,
> Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> and while you're at it, change "python-dev" to "developers" and
>> "psf" to "foundation" (or use a title on that link).
>
> I've changed the PSF link, but am not sure what to do about th
On 3/14/06, A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:25:19 +0100,
> Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > and while you're at it, change "python-dev" to "developers" and
> > "psf" to "foundation" (or use a title on that link).
>
> I've changed the PSF link, b
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:25:19 +0100,
Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> and while you're at it, change "python-dev" to "developers" and
> "psf" to "foundation" (or use a title on that link).
I've changed the PSF link, but am not sure what to do about the
python-dev link. As others
Michael enlightened us with:
>> Microsoft is the largest software company on the planet, but no way
>> that you can guess that from the name.
>
> MICRO computer SOFTware. Seems pretty obvious to me
Where is the size of the company in that story? The fact that they
make software is rather obvious i
> Not every name has to fully reflect the named. I mean, Microsoft is
> the largest software company on the planet, but no way that you can
> guess that from the name.
>
MICRO computer SOFTware. Seems pretty obvious to me and I'd expect the
same from any tech person.pipi and cheese shop both s
A.M. Kuchling enlightened us with:
> Given the endless whiny complaints about the name, though, I think
> we should just give up and go back to PyPI (pronounced 'Pippy').
I love The Python Cheese Shop. It's original and distinctive. Besides
that, it gives you more information that PyPI since Pytho
A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:50:26 +1100,
> richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>So I did what people always do in this situation, I asked Barry Warsaw to
>>name. it. And he did, "Cheese Shop". I liked the name, so it was done. When
>>the new pydotorg machines went live l
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> richard wrote:
> [snip]
> Should the "Python Cheeseshop" have anything in it, though? Having a
> stocked cheese shop in relation to Python is just silly!
Cheese (or the lack of cheese) is never silly, Thus the slogan... "The
power of cheese".
Now if you want silliness
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> richard wrote:
> [snip]
> Should the "Python Cheeseshop" have anything in it, though? Having a
> stocked cheese shop in relation to Python is just silly!
Well, it shouldn't have any *cheese*, but that's probably OK for a
software repository.
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Tim Parkin wrote:
>
> Still some work left cleaning up after the move to the new site but this
> is going to be a priority very soon. Do you want me to include you on
> any emails regarding this?
I'll have a look into the site developer tools for python.org and see
what I can contribute.
Paul
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On Mar 12, 2006, at 3:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> amk> Given the endless whiny complaints about the name, though,
> I think
> amk> we should just give up and go back to PyPI (pronounced
> 'Pippy').
>
> There was already a "pippy": Python for Palm...
I second the suggesti
richard wrote:
[snip]
Should the "Python Cheeseshop" have anything in it, though? Having a
stocked cheese shop in relation to Python is just silly!
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amk> Given the endless whiny complaints about the name, though, I think
amk> we should just give up and go back to PyPI (pronounced 'Pippy').
There was already a "pippy": Python for Palm...
Skip
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Ron Adam wrote:
>
>> I think the PSF is important enough to have a link on *every* page. It
>> doesn't need a lot of space, but it should be easy to get to from
>> anywhere on the web site.
>
> a copyright blurb at the bottom of the page would be one obvious place to
> put
Steve Holden wrote:
> Tim Parkin wrote:
>>Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>>
>>I sureley hope you can stop being facetious..
>>
>
> And I surely hope we can all work together for the better representation
> of Python to *all* of its communities :-)
>
> regards
> Steve
My apologies to all, I shouldn't ri
Paul Boddie wrote:
> Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>>(I'd solve this by adding disambiguation to the page itself, since
>>people can arrive on it in many different ways. good information
>>design is not only about what's on the front page...)
> True, but then I'd hope that, for example, a "Support" link wo
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>
[Developer links and developer/development resources]
> this assumes that the "developers" link lead to a page that's entirely
> useless for people developing with Python. that's not even true for
> today's "developer" page...
True. As you say, there are links to bug repo
Tim Parkin wrote:
> Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>
>>Tim Parkin wrote:
>>I surely hope you're not optimizing the site only for people who don't in-
>>tend to leave the front page...
>>
>
>
> I sureley hope you can stop being facetious..
>
And I surely hope we can all work together for the better repres
Ron Adam wrote:
> I think the PSF is important enough to have a link on *every* page. It
> doesn't need a lot of space, but it should be easy to get to from
> anywhere on the web site.
a copyright blurb at the bottom of the page would be one obvious place to
put it.
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Tim Parkin wrote:
>> Also 'Foundation' could be confused with 'beginners' or 'basic'.
>
> while "PSF" is completely incomprehensible for someone who doesn't
> already know what it is... why even keep it on the front page ?
Looks like a good place for a tool tip, PSF is o
Peter Decker wrote:
> I would have then asked where to report it.
on the earlier site, there was a link on the frontpage. on the current
site, you'll have to look under "python-dev" (or in a group of links de-
scribed as "developer info" on the download site).
> Of course, you're straying so fa
On 3/12/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter Decker wrote:
>
> > Can't say I've ever run into anything that hadn't already been
> > reported.
>
> how did you check if it was already reported ?
I asked about it on this list, or on the wxPython list, or whatever
was the appropriate l
Peter Decker wrote:
> Can't say I've ever run into anything that hadn't already been
> reported.
how did you check if it was already reported ?
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Tim Parkin wrote:
> I surely hope you're not optimizing the site only for people who don't in-
> tend to leave the front page...
>
I sureley hope you can stop being facetious..
Tim Parkin
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Paul Boddie wrote:
> It's clear that people use the term "Python developer" similarly to
> "Oracle developer", where you don't get many people in the wild
> actually developing Oracle products themselves, and so the term has an
> established meaning of someone developing with that technology. Thus
On 3/12/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter Decker wrote:
>
> > I consider myself a Python developer, and if I saw a 'Developers' link
> > on a Python site, it would seem obvious that it would be something
> > that might interest me.
>
> even when it appeared below News, Documentat
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Peter Decker wrote:
>
> > I consider myself a Python developer, and if I saw a 'Developers' link
> > on a Python site, it would seem obvious that it would be something
> > that might interest me.
Re-adding the missing disambiguating text:
"It would not occur to me that this
Tim Parkin wrote:
> > the page it leads has headings that say "Python Developers Guide" and
> > "Links for Developers", and contains links about "Development Process",
> > "Developer FAQ", etc.
>
> I think telling people they are in the wrong place isn't quite as good
> as helping them get to the
"Aahz" wrote:
> Given the number of people who post off-topic to python-dev, I don't
> agree with you.
have you ever asked them where they found the mail address?
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Peter Decker wrote:
> I consider myself a Python developer, and if I saw a 'Developers' link
> on a Python site, it would seem obvious that it would be something
> that might interest me.
even when it appeared below News, Documentation, Download,
Community, and Links buttons on a site dedicated t
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tim Parkin wrote:
>>
>> For most people 'developers' would mean people developing *with* python,
>> not developing python.
>
>the page it leads has headings that say "Python Developers Guide" and
>"Links for Developers", and
On 3/12/06, Tim Parkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> freinds and colleagues both online and off.. Some of whom are python
> programmers, most not. Without a budget for 'comprehensive testing' then
> the next best thing is asking people, at least you'll generally get rid
> of the big bloopers.. it's
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>Tim Parkin wrote:
>
>
>
>>Simple user questions (i.e. asking people what they think a 'developers'
>>link would lead to on a programming site) suggests that the majority of
>>people think differently to you.
>>
>>
>
>so where's this mythical user group that you're using
Tim Parkin wrote:
> Simple user questions (i.e. asking people what they think a 'developers'
> link would lead to on a programming site) suggests that the majority of
> people think differently to you.
so where's this mythical user group that you're using for the site testing ?
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> Tim Parkin wrote:
>
>
>>For most people 'developers' would mean people developing *with* python,
>>not developing python.
>
>
> the page it leads has headings that say "Python Developers Guide" and
> "Links for Developers", and contains links about "Development Process",
Tim Parkin wrote:
> For most people 'developers' would mean people developing *with* python,
> not developing python.
the page it leads has headings that say "Python Developers Guide" and
"Links for Developers", and contains links about "Development Process",
"Developer FAQ", etc.
I'm convinced
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
>>just change the link on the main site to read "packages"
>
>
> and while you're at it, change "python-dev" to "developers" and
> "psf" to "foundation" (or use a title on that link).
>
>
For most people 'developers' would mean people developing *with* python,
not developi
> just change the link on the main site to read "packages"
and while you're at it, change "python-dev" to "developers" and
"psf" to "foundation" (or use a title on that link).
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A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So I did what people always do in this situation, I asked Barry Warsaw to
> > name. it. And he did, "Cheese Shop". I liked the name, so it was done. When
> > the new pydotorg machines went live last year, so too did the name
> > cheeses
On 3/11/06, Mike C. Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I realise it's an incredibly boring name, but what about pronouncing it
> as "the package index" or "the Python Package Index". Spelling it
> "PyPI" if one insists on a very short name in some written context is
> fine, but try not to use
A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:50:26 +1100,
> richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> So I did what people always do in this situation, I asked Barry Warsaw to
>> name. it. And he did, "Cheese Shop". I liked the name, so it was done. When
>> the new pydotorg machines went l
A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:50:26 +1100,
> richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> So I did what people always do in this situation, I asked Barry Warsaw to
>> name. it. And he did, "Cheese Shop". I liked the name, so it was done. When
>> the new pydotorg machines went live l
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:50:26 +1100,
richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I did what people always do in this situation, I asked Barry Warsaw to
> name. it. And he did, "Cheese Shop". I liked the name, so it was done. When
> the new pydotorg machines went live last year, so too did the n
richard enlightened us with:
> Rejoice! No more confusing conversations with PyPy developers!
Thanks for sharing that. I always wondered where the name came from :)
Sybren
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The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a
capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we
So I wrote PyPI back a couple of years ago. It was just a simple cgi script
and some distutils code. I needed to call it *something* and "Python
Package Index" seemed like a fairly obvious name. Unfortunately, it's also
quite a mouthful. A friend suggested "PyPI" as a good shorter name. He also
ind
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