On 04/17/2017 03:39 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>[...]
I meant to respond to this earlier but forgot to. I'll respond
to the following part now since there seems to be some confusion
about my motives/intent.
> In my experience, the bar for banning participants is pretty high, and
> rightly so. Car
On 04/18/2017 02:48 AM, Ethan Furman wrote:
On 04/17/2017 03:23 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
So I will continue to treat all those topics equally: peripheral
comments on beliefs are just part of respectful human discourse, so long
as I'm respectful of the people who may hold such beliefs.
So you're o
On 04/18/2017 04:34 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Ben Finney
> wrote:
>> Chris Angelico writes:
>>
>>> The charge has been examined and dropped. Steven did not violate the
>>> CoC. Please stop talking as if he has. He *was accused of* violating
>>> it, and then fou
in 773391 20170418 141627 "Mario R. Osorio" wrote:
>Feels like this is something personal against Steven. You should probably t=
>ake this to court. I'd rather read Steven's insightful answers and rants th=
>an you crying. None here is meant to sugar coat anything, and if that is wh=
>at you are
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:34:03 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Ben Finney
> wrote:
>> Chris Angelico writes:
>>
>>> The charge has been examined and dropped. Steven did not violate the
>>> CoC. Please stop talking as if he has. He *was accused of* violating
>>> it,
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:
>
>> I was referring to your post, in which a fairly solid argument was
>> made for there being no guilt. Maybe you don't have any specific
>> authority
>
> I definitely don't, and I hope no one reads my words on this top
Chris Angelico writes:
> I was referring to your post, in which a fairly solid argument was
> made for there being no guilt. Maybe you don't have any specific
> authority
I definitely don't, and I hope no one reads my words on this topic as
having special authority beyond their content :-)
> bu
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:
>
>> The charge has been examined and dropped. Steven did not violate the
>> CoC. Please stop talking as if he has. He *was accused of* violating
>> it, and then found innocent.
>
> Which post are you referring to (can yo
Chris Angelico writes:
> The charge has been examined and dropped. Steven did not violate the
> CoC. Please stop talking as if he has. He *was accused of* violating
> it, and then found innocent.
Which post are you referring to (can you provide a URL)? I'd like to see
who came to that conclusion
On 04/18/2017 09:35 AM, Wildman via Python-list wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 03:28:32 +, Rurpy wrote:
>> On 04/17/2017 08:19 PM, Wildman via Python-list wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Your words remind me of this:
>>>
>>> "The seriousness of the charge mandates that we investigate
>>> this. Even though t
Andre Müller :
> Humans from USA should think about it, why the whole world hates them.
I have yet to meet somebody who hates Americans.
> Hm, what could be the cause?
Hating an ethnicity has no justifiable cause.
Marko
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 03:19 pm, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Rustom Mody :
>
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 6:18:06 AM UTC+5:30, Ethan Furman wrote:
>>> You mean all the non-religious people?
>>>
>>> Because some of your signatures don't feel welcoming to people of
>>> faith:
>>
>> Thanks Ethan for b
On 04/18/2017 09:29 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Rurpy via
> Python-list wrote:
>> On 04/18/2017 08:19 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Rurpy via
>>> Python-list wrote:
I have nothing personal against Steven. He called someone o
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 00:19:10 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Rurpy via Python-list
> wrote:
>> Whether you like it or not this list has a CoC governing it.
>> Discussions about appropriate posts ARE on-topic.
>> If you want a list where anyone can say any vile rac
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 03:28:32 +, Rurpy wrote:
> On 04/17/2017 08:19 PM, Wildman via Python-list wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:23:34 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
>>> Paul Rubin writes:
Rurpy writes:
> A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano
> ) called another part
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Rurpy via Python-list
wrote:
> On 04/18/2017 08:19 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Rurpy via
>> Python-list wrote:
>>> I have nothing personal against Steven. He called someone out
>>> for being bigoted, then repeated the exact same
Hello list,
Why are you fighting against symptoms?
Just to say: "Hate Speech is not allowed in this list and is bad",
doesn't solve the problem.
Humans from USA should think about it, why the whole world hates them.
Hm, what could be the cause?
You should think about the behavior of your governm
On 04/18/2017 08:19 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Rurpy via
> Python-list wrote:
>> I have nothing personal against Steven. He called someone out
>> for being bigoted, then repeated the exact same offense himself.
>
> The charge has been examined and dropped. Stev
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Rurpy via Python-list
wrote:
> Whether you like it or not this list has a CoC governing it.
> Discussions about appropriate posts ARE on-topic.
> If you want a list where anyone can say any vile racist thing
> they want, there are plenty of them on the internet, y
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:07 AM, Jussi Piitulainen
wrote:
> I agree with Steven that it's a highly offensive thing to say that ASCII
> is good enough to "most people".
Interesting that this gets mentioned in a thread on bigotry. You could
quite reasonably argue that supporting only ASCII (or one
On 04/18/2017 07:16 AM, Mario R. Osorio wrote:
> Feels like this is something personal against Steven. You should
> probably take this to court. I'd rather read Steven's insightful
> answers and rants than you crying. None here is meant to sugar coat
> anything, and if that is what you are looking
Joel Goldstick writes:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 5:30 AM, James McMahon wrote:
>> Can the moderators please get involved here and remind people to
>> address python related topics and questions on the python mailing
>> list? While I can only speak to my interest when joining this list,
>> isn't py
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 15:54:17 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> Wildman via Python-list writes:
>
>> "The seriousness of the charge mandates that we investigate
>> this. Even though there is no evidence, the seriousness of
>> the charge is what matters."
>> --Tom Foley (D) Speaker of the House
>
> Th
On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 5:30 AM, James McMahon wrote:
> Can the moderators please get involved here and remind people to address
> python related topics and questions on the python mailing list? While I can
> only speak to my interest when joining this list, isn't python why
> most people joined t
On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 10:27:50 PM UTC-4, Rurpy wrote:
> On 04/17/2017 04:38 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Rurpy via Python-list writes:
> >
> >> A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano
> >> ) called another participant an "ugly
> >> american" [*1].
> >
> > He gave no explici
Can the moderators please get involved here and remind people to address
python related topics and questions on the python mailing list? While I can
only speak to my interest when joining this list, isn't python why
most people joined this list? Others have different and polarizing views on
many su
Wildman via Python-list writes:
> "The seriousness of the charge mandates that we investigate
> this. Even though there is no evidence, the seriousness of
> the charge is what matters."
> --Tom Foley (D) Speaker of the House
That sounds right to me, provided one reads “there is no evidence” as
Ethan Furman writes:
> You mean all the non-religious people?
No, I don't mean that.
> So you're okay with respectfully making people of faith feel
> unwelcome?
No, I'm not okay with that. As I said privately to you, the examples you
cite do not demonstrate disrespect to *people*.
They are di
On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 10:11:58 AM UTC+1, Rurpy wrote:
> A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano) called another
> participant an "ugly american" [*1]. This was followed just a couple weeks
> later with another post from Mr. D'Aprano attacking a participant as "an old
>
Rustom Mody :
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 6:18:06 AM UTC+5:30, Ethan Furman wrote:
>> You mean all the non-religious people?
>>
>> Because some of your signatures don't feel welcoming to people of
>> faith:
>
> Thanks Ethan for bullseyeing the problem to the leftie-libbie lie
> called 'secula
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 6:18:06 AM UTC+5:30, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 04/17/2017 03:23 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Paul Rubin writes:
> >> Rurpy writes:
>
> >>> A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano)
> >>> called another participant an "ugly american"
> >>
> >> Oh stop trol
On 04/17/2017 08:19 PM, Wildman via Python-list wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:23:34 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
>> Paul Rubin writes:
>>> Rurpy writes:
A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano
) called another participant an "ugly
american"
>>>
>>> Oh stop trolling.
On 04/17/2017 04:38 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> Rurpy via Python-list writes:
>
>> A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano
>> ) called another participant an "ugly
>> american" [*1].
>
> He gave no explicit reference, and so I can see why you would think he
> did what you describe.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:23:34 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> Paul Rubin writes:
>
>> Rurpy writes:
>> > A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano
>> > ) called another participant an "ugly
>> > american"
>>
>> Oh stop trolling.
>
> Paul, that is uncalled for. The charge of bigotry i
On 04/17/2017 03:23 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Paul Rubin writes:
Rurpy writes:
A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano)
called another participant an "ugly american"
Oh stop trolling.
Paul, that is uncalled for. The charge of bigotry is not to be lightly
dismissed, and we do
Paul Rubin writes:
> Rurpy writes:
> > A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano
> > ) called another participant an "ugly
> > american"
>
> Oh stop trolling.
Paul, that is uncalled for. The charge of bigotry is not to be lightly
dismissed, and we do want to foster an environmen
Rurpy writes:
> A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano
> ) called another participant an "ugly
> american"
Oh stop trolling. Ugly American was a 1950s thing, now just amusing.
And context matters. Steven, please try to be a little more attentive
to people's delicate feefees i
On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 3:09:44 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Rurpy :
>
> > If I posted a remark about "dirty Chinese" (c.f. "ugly American") I
> > would be (justifiably) slammed and likely ejected from the list. Or if
> > claims that not understanding new tech is a product of age are
On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 4:09:34 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
> The charge of bigotry is a strong one here, rightly so, and I think you
> for taking it seriously. Will you drop that charge now? If you won't, I
> think you need to show how this analysis is incorrect.
On the same day that (I s
Rurpy via Python-list writes:
> A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano
> ) called another participant an "ugly
> american" [*1].
He gave no explicit reference, and so I can see why you would think he
did what you describe.
In fact, though, Steven in the message you link to st
Rurpy :
> If I posted a remark about "dirty Chinese" (c.f. "ugly American") I
> would be (justifiably) slammed and likely ejected from the list. Or if
> claims that not understanding new tech is a product of age are ok,
> then why can't I say disparagingly that someone "programs like a
> girl"? Wh
A couple weeks ago a frequent poster here (Steve D'Aprano
) called another participant an "ugly american"
[*1]. This was followed just a couple weeks later with another post from Mr.
D'Aprano attacking a participant as "an old man" who can't understand new
technology, a blatant example of agei
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