Re: Being unjust

2006-01-27 Thread floydophone
Here's what I think should go in the standard library: - A set of battle-hardened WSGI gateways (CherryPy's WSGI server, ISAPI-WSGI, mpcp, PEP-333's CGI gateway, flup's fastcgi and scgi support). I think that if we included a WSGI app server with a snazzy administration user interface (ala ColdFus

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-22 Thread Runsun Pan
On 22 Jan 2006 20:35:17 -0800, Ian Bicking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: understandably slow release schedule of Python itself.  I think thestandard library is only appropriate for solved problems, where the area is well understood.  Just look at how much time it took to getdecimal and datetime in, bo

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-22 Thread Ian Bicking
Kay Schluehr wrote: > I'd be interested in what people think about bundling one of the > diverse Python webframeworks with the Python distribution which will be > "just there" as like Tcl/Tk+Tkinter for GUI-programming. Its not that I > don't trust people to make qualified decisions on their own or

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-20 Thread Magnus Lycka
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > if you can find one that's relatively stable, simple enough to enable > beginners to > do simple things with just a little python code, can do simple stuff without > needing > a full-blown DB, and can run as an ordinary CGI if necessary, I'm definitely > +1. > > (hmm. ma

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-19 Thread Paul Boddie
Paul Rubin wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > That's the rub though. There are lots of ways to approach web app > > frameworks. They all have their pros and cons. Deciding on one to ship > > with Python will likely be a significant challenge. There are lots of ways to approach a full Web ap

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-19 Thread Fuzzyman
Paul Rubin wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > That's the rub though. There are lots of ways to approach web app > > frameworks. They all have their pros and cons. Deciding on one to ship > > with Python will likely be a significant challenge. > > There are maybe a half dozen plausible candi

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-19 Thread Kay Schluehr
Paul Boddie wrote: > Adrian Holovaty wrote: > > Fuzzyman wrote: > > > web.py has the great advantage that (allegedly) you can migrate apps > > > from CGI to FastCGI, mod_python, WSGI. > > > > This isn't an advantage of web.py over other frameworks. You can do the > > same thing with Django, becaus

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Runsun Pan
I would prefer to see a core gui library that has a dom like structure and the core lib doesn't really define the interface but only serves as "an interface to other interfaces".   For example, a button class in this library will work like this :      b = Button('Submit')    b.setStyles( {'backgro

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Rubin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Even your technique narrows the list of candidates down to one, that > doesn't solve the problem. There is a certain "stamp of approval" > implicit with inclusion in the standard library. It's thus a fairly > important decision to get at least approximately right. Yes

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread skip
Paul> There are maybe a half dozen plausible candidates. The first Paul> thing to do is ask the authors whether they'd WANT their framework Paul> to be shipped with Python. If exactly one says yes, that makes Paul> the choice simple. Either way, that question should narrow it

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Rubin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > That's the rub though. There are lots of ways to approach web app > frameworks. They all have their pros and cons. Deciding on one to ship > with Python will likely be a significant challenge. There are maybe a half dozen plausible candidates. The first thing to do

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread skip
Kay> The intention of bundling a framework does not imply that Kay> components should be combined to the next 600 Python webframeworks Kay> but that there is a clear recommendation in particular for Kay> beginners in Python. That's the rub though. There are lots of ways to approa

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Boddie
Adrian Holovaty wrote: > Fuzzyman wrote: > > web.py has the great advantage that (allegedly) you can migrate apps > > from CGI to FastCGI, mod_python, WSGI. > > This isn't an advantage of web.py over other frameworks. You can do the > same thing with Django, because it has a WSGI backend; people r

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Kay Schluehr
Adrian Holovaty wrote: > Fuzzyman wrote: > > web.py has the great advantage that (allegedly) you can migrate apps > > from CGI to FastCGI, mod_python, WSGI. > > This isn't an advantage of web.py over other frameworks. You can do the > same thing with Django, because it has a WSGI backend; people

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Adrian Holovaty
Fuzzyman wrote: > web.py has the great advantage that (allegedly) you can migrate apps > from CGI to FastCGI, mod_python, WSGI. This isn't an advantage of web.py over other frameworks. You can do the same thing with Django, because it has a WSGI backend; people run Django with mod_python, FastCGI,

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Fuzzyman wrote: > > (hmm. maybe "web.py" fits the spec? but that's more a library than a > > frame- > > work, of course...) > > web.py has the great advantage that (allegedly) you can migrate apps > from CGI to FastCGI, mod_python, WSGI. > > It hardly counts as stable of course - having just be

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Rubin
"Kay Schluehr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd be interested in what people think about bundling one of the > diverse Python webframeworks with the Python distribution which will be > "just there" as like Tcl/Tk+Tkinter for GUI-programming. Its not that I > don't trust people to make qualified de

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Fuzzyman
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Kay Schluehr wrote: > > > I'd be interested in what people think about bundling one of the > > diverse Python webframeworks with the Python distribution which will be > > "just there" as like Tcl/Tk+Tkinter for GUI-programming. > > if you can find one that's relatively stabl

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:27:56 -0800, Kay Schluehr wrote: > I'd be interested in what people think about bundling one of the > diverse Python webframeworks with the Python distribution which will be > "just there" as like Tcl/Tk+Tkinter for GUI-programming. Its not that I > don't trust people to mak

Re: Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Kay Schluehr wrote: > I'd be interested in what people think about bundling one of the > diverse Python webframeworks with the Python distribution which will be > "just there" as like Tcl/Tk+Tkinter for GUI-programming. if you can find one that's relatively stable, simple enough to enable beginne

Being unjust

2006-01-18 Thread Kay Schluehr
I'd be interested in what people think about bundling one of the diverse Python webframeworks with the Python distribution which will be "just there" as like Tcl/Tk+Tkinter for GUI-programming. Its not that I don't trust people to make qualified decisions on their own or that I actually believe in