Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-11-07 Thread r
More on canvas widget... The Canvas widget should return objects and not simple tags/ids for canvas items *OR* at least allow for me to add attributes to the canvasitems "obj". I find that the id/tag system --while quite simple and strait forward-- can really leave you with both hands tied behind

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-10-16 Thread Aahz
In article <87ljjhq7y7@benfinney.id.au>, Ben Finney wrote: >TerryP writes: >> >> One thing you should also learn about me, is I do not deal in >> absolutes. > >What, *never*? Well, hardly ever. -- Aahz (a...@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "To me vi is

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-10-13 Thread Ben Finney
TerryP writes: > One thing you should also learn about me, is I do not deal in > absolutes. What, *never*? That's a pretty uncompromising position to h— I'll get my coat. -- \ “Smoking cures weight problems. Eventually.” —Steven Wright | `\

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-10-12 Thread Mel
Ben Finney wrote: > TerryP writes: > >> One thing you should also learn about me, is I do not deal in >> absolutes. > > What, *never*? That's a pretty uncompromising position to h— > > I'll get my coat. Note, he said he does not deal in absolutes. He didn't deny that he does. Mel.

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-10-12 Thread TerryP
On Oct 12, 7:29 am, r wrote: > Obviously you have never used packages that are meant for global > importing or you would know how such systems are designed. OpenGL is > a good example. OpenGL has over 3600 functions and constants all of > which start with "gl" and GL respectivly. However the Tkin

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-10-12 Thread r
On Oct 12, 12:43 am, TerryP wrote: > On Aug 27, 9:22 pm, r wrote: > > *Too many noobs start out with the "from Tkinter import *" idiom, > > 'import Tkinter as tk', that I like -- my fingers are lazier then the > mind ;). > > When I see the from whatever import *; I generally regard it in one of >

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-10-11 Thread TerryP
On Aug 27, 9:22 pm, r wrote: > - > from Tkinter import * > - > *Too many noobs start out with the "from Tkinter import *" idiom, > unknowing that they are horribly polluting their namespace. I feel > that all

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-10-11 Thread r
A few things i forgot to mention... +--+ Things i forgot... IDLE Editor +--+ 1. class and path browsers should be available in a tabbed widget located in the left side of the Editor window. Should also have a show/ hide button or have them

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-31 Thread r
On Aug 28, 11:12 am, Mark Roseman wrote: > Would it be useful to link to this from the main Python Tkinter > documentation? > > Mark Sorry Mark, i did not realize when i replied to you that YOU are the Mark of tkdoc.com. For some reason i only saw Tcl code when i visted the site, and that prompte

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-31 Thread r
Kevin and Terry, Kevin. I respectfully disagree that the site is ready for prime time *However* i do not wish to undermine the great work that Mark Roseman has done here and i thank him for his contribution. He has put much work into covering all the major languages and i think this site *could*

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-31 Thread Terry Reedy
Kevin Walzer wrote: www.tkdocs.com [snip] and you'll have learned a lot. But I think the TkDocs site is essential, especially in its more advanced discussion of how to put together an attractive, polished user interface with Tk. Tk has a long-standing reputation of being the toolkit of choice

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-31 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 8/28/09 8:11 PM, r wrote: On Aug 28, 5:48 pm, Mark Roseman wrote: (snip) Thewww.tkdocs.comsite is 'language neutral' - currently the tutorial covers Tcl, Perl, Ruby and yes Python, and allows you to switch between any of those languages (or show all of them). True, however the coverage is

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-31 Thread eb303
On Aug 28, 4:41 pm, r wrote: > Thanks eb303 for the wonderful post > > I have looked over the new ttk widgets and everything looks nice. I am > very glad to see the death of Tix as i never much liked it anyhow and > always believed these widgets should have been in the main Tkinter > module to sta

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-30 Thread r
Thanks eb303 for the wonderful post I have looked over the new ttk widgets and everything looks nice. I am very glad to see the death of Tix as i never much liked it anyhow and always believed these widgets should have been in the main Tkinter module to start with. The tree widget has been needed

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-28 Thread r
On Aug 28, 5:48 pm, Mark Roseman wrote: (snip) > Thewww.tkdocs.comsite is 'language neutral' - currently the tutorial > covers Tcl, Perl, Ruby and yes Python, and allows you to switch between > any of those languages (or show all of them). True, however the coverage is incomplete. I would back th

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-28 Thread Mark Roseman
r wrote: > On Aug 28, 11:12 am, Mark Roseman wrote: > > Would it be useful to link to this from the main Python Tkinter > > documentation? > > Thanks Mark, but i would hate to see more links to TCL code in the > python docs. Whats the use of Tkinter if the docs are in TCL. The www.tkdocs.com s

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-28 Thread Michiel Overtoom
r wrote: Whats the use of Tkinter if the docs are in TCL. Just learn TCL and skip the Python middleman. But Mark's tutorial at http://www.tkdocs.com/tutorial/index.html allows you to select 'Python' as one of the languages you want to see the example code in. Too bad that the 'ttk' widget

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-28 Thread Mark Lawrence
r wrote: On Aug 28, 11:12 am, Mark Roseman wrote: Would it be useful to link to this from the main Python Tkinter documentation? Mark Thanks Mark, but i would hate to see more links to TCL code in the python docs. Whats the use of Tkinter if the docs are in TCL. Just learn TCL and skip the P

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-28 Thread r
On Aug 28, 11:12 am, Mark Roseman wrote: > Would it be useful to link to this from the main Python Tkinter > documentation? > > Mark Thanks Mark, but i would hate to see more links to TCL code in the python docs. Whats the use of Tkinter if the docs are in TCL. Just learn TCL and skip the Python

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-28 Thread Mark Roseman
With regard to Tkinter documentation, and in particular the newer, more modern aspects thereof (e.g. ttk, styles, etc.) please have a look at the tutorial at http://www.tkdocs.com Would it be useful to link to this from the main Python Tkinter documentation? Mark -- http://mail.python.org/mai

Re: An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-28 Thread eb303
On Aug 27, 11:22 pm, r wrote: > - > Python offical docs and Tkinter > - > *The Python docs barely cover anything related to actual Tkinter > coding. At the minimum the Tkinter doc page should have a subpage for

An assessment of Tkinter and IDLE

2009-08-27 Thread r
- Tkinter and IDLE Shortfalls - *The following is an assessment of Tkinter as i have experienced it. Even with all the problems i list below i strongly believe Tkinter is a great starter GUI toolkit and we (the