Editor extensions to get a full IDE (was: An Editor that Skips to the End of a Def)

Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ben Finney a écrit : > > Both Emacs and Vim are highly customisable text editors. They are > > configurable with complete programming languages specific to the > > program, and both have a huge community of programmers writing > > useful extensions

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Neil Cerutti a écrit : (snip) > > Vim has Python integration if you want to control it with Python > scripts. Cool! Of course, Vim needs such a capability more than > Emacs, which has the very cool elisp scripting language. FWIW, emacs is programmable in Python too IIRC. -- http://mail.python.or

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On 9/26/07, Bjoern Schliessmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > You definitely used the wrong languages :) > > http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/The-Other-Kind-of-RPG.aspx Ah, but one edits RPG with SEU[1], Undo - who needs it? -- Cheers, Simon B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] http://tinyurl.com/yvra7l -- htt

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On 9/26/07, Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2007-09-26, Jason M Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Off the top of my head, I can think of a few vim commands that > > have come in handy. I can search through a webpage in Firefox > > by using the same '/' search command that vim has.

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On 2007-09-26, Jason M Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Off the top of my head, I can think of a few vim commands that > have come in handy. I can search through a webpage in Firefox > by using the same '/' search command that vim has. The > movement keys (h,j,k,l) are the same as in any pagin

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > It's strange, but in nearly 30 years of writing code in dozens of > different languages, I've never felt the urge to line up my code > in columns. Never. You definitely used the wrong languages :) http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/The-Other-Kind-of-RPG.aspx | We

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Warning: Religion follows: On 9/25/07, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.T.Hofkamp wrote: > > > On 2007-09-25, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> Why does it "choose" to modify your position when you exit insert mode? > > >

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's another issue, that of ROI. Having learnt the vi/vim > keystrokes, what does that enable you to do? Use vi/vim, and that's > it. There are a great many programs whose interactive keybindings come from vi. Perhaps you've heard of 'less', 'sc

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A.T.Hofkamp wrote: > On 2007-09-25, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Why does it "choose" to modify your position when you exit insert mode? > > Try to insert 1 character in the middle of a line. You'll end up at the > same position. Now press

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On 9/25/07, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Why does it "choose" to modify your position when you exit insert > >> mode? Does the phrase "broken as designed" mean anything to you? > > > > Does the phrase "everything I don't like is stupid" mean anything to > > you? Honestly, if you do

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Bjoern Schliessmann wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> That's like saying, about a program that, when given "2 + 2", >> outputs "5", that _of course_ it knows the correct answer is "4", >> it just chooses to "modify" the answer before outputting it. > > No. Which laws say how transitions betwe

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > That's like saying, about a program that, when given "2 + 2", > outputs "5", that _of course_ it knows the correct answer is "4", > it just chooses to "modify" the answer before outputting it. No. Which laws say how transitions between modes have to be? Thus, I know la

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On 2007-09-25, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neil Cerutti wrote: > That's like saying, about a program that, when given "2 + 2", outputs "5", > that _of course_ it knows the correct answer is "4", it just chooses > to "modify" the answer before ou

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neil Cerutti wrote: > On 2007-09-22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bjoern >> Schliessmann wrote: > >>> Nah. Use vim. >> >> Every other text editor I have ever used understands that the >> current position in a

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W. Watson wrote: > Well, you may. Unfortunately, there are many NGs that do the opposite. > > Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: >> W. Watson a écrit : >>> How about in the case of MS Win? >>> >>> Ben Finney wrote: (Please don't top-post. Instead, reply below each point to which you're resp

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Manuel Graune wrote: > >> Matthew Woodcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >>> >>> >> And "cu

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W. Watson a écrit : (top-post corrected) > Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: >> W. Watson a écrit : >>> How about in the case of MS Win? >>> >>> Ben Finney wrote: (Please don't top-post. Instead, reply below each point to which you're responding, removing quoted text irrelevant to your resp

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On 2007-09-22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bjoern > Schliessmann wrote: >> Nah. Use vim. > > Every other text editor I have ever used understands that the > current position in a file is _between_ two characters (or > before the first character,

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Manuel Graune wrote: > Matthew Woodcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> >>> >> > And "cursor keys"? Please, every self respecting editor has ways f

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Matthew Woodcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >> > > An interesting story. They say they picked a test for the express > purpose of proving that in some circumstances cursor keys ca

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Paul Rubin writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: >> > I think mousing takes more mental work than typing, >> I'm not sure this is a matter for debate, as much as physical >> measurement. > > I don't know of any way to physically measure mental work. fMRI is

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On Sep 20, 8:47 pm, "W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about in the case of MS Win? > Try Wing IDE at http://www.wingware.com. It can run and debug programs and has a free version. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bjoern Schliessmann wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> After two decades of putting up with vi just to ensure >> compatibility with every proprietary *nix system I might come >> across, let me just say ... >> >> USE EMACS! > > Nah. Use vim. Every other text

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W. Watson wrote: > Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: >> W. Watson a écrit : >>> How about in the case of MS Win? >>> >>> Ben Finney wrote: (Please don't top-post. Instead, reply below each point to which you're responding, removing quoted text irrelevant to your response.) >> >> Wayne,

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: > > I think mousing takes more mental work than typing, > I'm not sure this is a matter for debate, as much as physical > measurement. I don't know of any way to physically measure mental work. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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Gary Coulbourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > John J. Lee wrote: >> Eclipse must be able to do this. > > Not by default... but I am certain there are plugins that provide python > integration. (And jython integration) Well yes, obviously (?) I meant Eclipse with pydev installed. John -- http:

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Paul Rubin writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: >> Seriously for a moment, I read something recently (maybe here?) about >> an Apple study that claimed to show that people who perceived keyboard >> bindings as being much faster than mouseing did not, on aver

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On Thursday, Sep 20th 2007 at 18:14 +0100, quoth Paul Rudin: =>"W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: => =>> Thanks, but no thanks. The learning curve is way too steep. => =>Up to you but, these days emacs comes with all sorts of =>pointing-clicky-menu-y type things - you don't really have to lea

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Well, you may. Unfortunately, there are many NGs that do the opposite. Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: > W. Watson a écrit : >> How about in the case of MS Win? >> >> Ben Finney wrote: >>> >>> (Please don't top-post. Instead, reply below each point to which >>> you're responding, removing quoted text i

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John J. Lee wrote: >> Seriously for a moment, I read something recently (maybe here?) about >> an Apple study that claimed to show that people who perceived keyboard >> bindings as being much faster than mouseing did

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Stefan Behnel wrote: > Bjoern Schliessmann wrote: >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> >> ?id=20070910&mode=classic>. >> >> Esc-Meta-Alt-Ctrl-Shift? :) > > Yep, that's five of them. I'd also have mentioned Caps Lock, Alt Gr, Compose and Sysrq if there was no

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Michael v. Fondern wrote: > (Ctrl-Shift-Down) Is this the opposite of thumbs up, or is it just to suggest that Eclipse can come close to Emacs's usability if you try hard? Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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Bjoern Schliessmann wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> After two decades of putting up with vi just to ensure >> compatibility with every proprietary *nix system I might come >> across, let me just say ... >> >> USE EMACS! > > Nah. Use vim. > >> Oh, and >>

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W. Watson wrote: > Is vim just an editor or is it capable of running and debugging a > program, as well? Depends on how you define an editor. If you take Emacs as example for an editor, then, no, it's not an editor. BTW: >>> (It even gives useful advice on top-posting if you use it as a news >>>

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > After two decades of putting up with vi just to ensure > compatibility with every proprietary *nix system I might come > across, let me just say ... > > USE EMACS! Nah. Use vim. > Oh, and > . Esc-Meta-A

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On Sep 21, 4:47 am, "W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about in the case of MS Win? Both emacs and vim have GUI versions that run on Windows. -- Ant... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Rudin wrote: > ... these days emacs comes with all sorts of > pointing-clicky-menu-y type things - you don't really have to learn > anything to get started. After two decades of putting up with vi just to ensure compatibility with every proprietary *nix system

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John J. Lee wrote: > Seriously for a moment, I read something recently (maybe here?) about > an Apple study that claimed to show that people who perceived keyboard > bindings as being much faster than mouseing did not, on average, take > less time to complete the ac

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Ben Finney a écrit : > "W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Is vim just an editor or is it capable of running and debugging a >> program, as well? > > (Please don't top-post. Instead, reply below each point to which > you're responding, removing quoted text irrelevant to your response.) >

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W. Watson a écrit : > How about in the case of MS Win? > > Ben Finney wrote: >> >> (Please don't top-post. Instead, reply below each point to which >> you're responding, removing quoted text irrelevant to your response.) >> Wayne, may I second Ben on his suggestion to stop top-posting ? -- http:

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How about in the case of MS Win? Ben Finney wrote: > "W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Is vim just an editor or is it capable of running and debugging a >> program, as well? > > (Please don't top-post. Instead, reply below each point to which > you're responding, removing quoted text

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"W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is vim just an editor or is it capable of running and debugging a > program, as well? (Please don't top-post. Instead, reply below each point to which you're responding, removing quoted text irrelevant to your response.) Both Emacs and Vim are highly cus

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Is vim just an editor or is it capable of running and debugging a program, as well? W. Watson wrote: > Maybe I'll take a look. When I left the world of Unix/Linux 10 years > ago, emacs went with it, as did vi. > > Paul Rudin wrote: >> "W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Thanks, but n

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John J. Lee wrote: > Eclipse must be able to do this. Not by default... but I am certain there are plugins that provide python integration. (And jython integration) Peace, Gary -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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Maybe I'll take a look. When I left the world of Unix/Linux 10 years ago, emacs went with it, as did vi. Paul Rudin wrote: > "W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Thanks, but no thanks. The learning curve is way too steep. > > Up to you but, these days emacs comes with all sorts of > poi

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John J. Lee) writes: > Seriously for a moment, I read something recently (maybe here?) about > an Apple study that claimed to show that people who perceived keyboard > bindings as being much faster than mouseing did not, on average, take > less time to complete the actions that w

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W. Watson: > Is there an editor that allows one to position to put the cursor and > then by pushing some button goes to the end of the def? Eclipse, together with the pydev plugin. (Ctrl-Shift-Down) Greetings - Michael - -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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"W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks, but no thanks. The learning curve is way too steep. [...] Eclipse must be able to do this. Eclipse is emacs for stupid people ;-) Seriously for a moment, I read something recently (maybe here?) about an Apple study that claimed to show that peop

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> Paul Rudin wrote: >> "W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> Is there an editor that allows one to position to put the cursor and >>> then by pushing some button goes to the end of the def? >> >> C-M-e in emacs/python-mode. > W. Watson wrote: > Thanks, but no thanks. The learning curve i

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"W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks, but no thanks. The learning curve is way too steep. Up to you but, these days emacs comes with all sorts of pointing-clicky-menu-y type things - you don't really have to learn anything to get started. (It even gives useful advice on top-posting i

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Thanks, but no thanks. The learning curve is way too steep. Paul Rudin wrote: > "W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Is there an editor that allows one to position to put the cursor and >> then by pushing some button goes to the end of the def? > > C-M-e in emacs/python-mode. --

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"W. Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there an editor that allows one to position to put the cursor and > then by pushing some button goes to the end of the def? C-M-e in emacs/python-mode. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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W. Watson a écrit : > Is there an editor that allows one to position to put the cursor and > then by pushing some button goes to the end of the def? Emacs. And you don't even have to "push some button" (just remember the correct key sequence !-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

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Is there an editor that allows one to position to put the cursor and then by pushing some button goes to the end of the def? -- Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) Web Page: -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list