Le dimanche 13 Février 2005 19:05, Arthur a écrit :
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:48:03 +0100, Francis Girard >
>
> >My deepest apologies,
> >
> >Francis Girard
>
> Sorry if I helped get you into this, Francis.
>
No, no, don't worry. I really expressed my own opinions and feelings. At the
same time, I
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 18:48:03 +0100, Francis Girard >
>My deepest apologies,
>
>Francis Girard
Sorry if I helped get you into this, Francis.
I have read and seen enough of Kay and his visions to find him as a
bug where *my* moon don't shine. When the appropriate opportunity
comes, I find it hard n
Le vendredi 11 FÃvrier 2005 21:45, Curt a ÃcritÂ:
> On 2005-02-10, Francis Girard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think I've been enthouasistic too fast. While reading the article I
> > grew more and more uncomfortable with sayings like :
>
>
>
> Yes, you may have grown uncomfortable because what
On 2005-02-10, Francis Girard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think I've been enthouasistic too fast. While reading the article I grew
> more and more uncomfortable with sayings like :
Yes, you may have grown uncomfortable because what you "read" has, at best,
only the most tenuous of relation
Le jeudi 10 Février 2005 19:47, PA a écrit :
> On Feb 10, 2005, at 19:43, Francis Girard wrote:
> > I think he's a bit nostalgic.
>
> Steve Wart about "why Smalltalk never caught on":
>
> http://hoho.dyndns.org/~holger/smalltalk.html
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> PA, Onnay Equitursay
> http://alt.textdrive.c
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:08:11 GMT, rumours say that [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron
Laird) might have written:
[more snipping]
>With a little provocation, I can push the ideas of "mechanical"
>or "machine" referencing back at least to the Enlightenment, and
>arguably much farther.
Please ignore my ear
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:08:11 GMT, rumours say that [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron
Laird) might have written:
>I entirely agree that Engelbart deserves full recognition for his
>achievements. At the same time, I think we also should note that
>Ted Nelson was publishing articles about "hypertext" in '6
Thank you.
Francis Girard
Le jeudi 10 FÃvrier 2005 02:48, Scott David Daniels a ÃcritÂ:
> Francis Girard wrote:
> > ...
> > It's also interesting to see GUIs with windows, mouse (etc.), which
> > apparently find their origin in is mind, probably comes from the desire
> > to introduce computers to
On Feb 10, 2005, at 19:43, Francis Girard wrote:
I think he's a bit nostalgic.
Steve Wart about "why Smalltalk never caught on":
http://hoho.dyndns.org/~holger/smalltalk.html
Cheers
--
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Le jeudi 10 Février 2005 04:37, Arthur a écrit :
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:23:06 +0100, Francis Girard
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I love him.
>
> I don't.
>
> >It's also interesting to see GUIs with windows, mouse (etc.), which
> > apparently find their origin in is mind, probably comes from t
jfj wrote:
> Bah. My impressions from the interview was "there are no good
> languages anymore. In my time we made great languages, but today
> they all suck. Perl for example"
That was kind of what I took from it as well. Don't get me wrong, I've
a lot of respect for Kay's contributions...he
Peter Hansen wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
In an interview at
http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=273
Alan Kay said something I really liked, and I think it applies
equally well to Python as well as the languages mentioned:
I characterized one way of looking at language
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:23:06 +0100, Francis Girard
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I love him.
I don't.
>
>It's also interesting to see GUIs with windows, mouse (etc.), which apparently
>find their origin in is mind, probably comes from the desire to introduce
>computers to children.
Alfred Bork,
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
.
[thoroughly appropriate
focus on Engelbart and
his Augment colleagues]
.
.
>(or great) guess and
Francis Girard wrote:
...
It's also interesting to see GUIs with windows, mouse (etc.), which apparently
find their origin in is mind, probably comes from the desire to introduce
computers to children.
OK, presuming "origin in is mind" was meant to say "origin in his mind,"
I'd like to stick up f
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:57:10 -0800, has wrote:
> I'd say Python is somewhere in the middle, though moving slowly towards
> 'agglutination' in the last couple years.
But it feels really badly about that and promises to kick the habit
somewhere around the year 3000.
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Grant Edwards wrote:
> In an interview at
http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=273
> Alan Kay said something I really liked, and I think it applies
> equally well to Python as well as the languages mentioned:
>
>I characterized one way of looking at languages in this
>
François Pinard wrote:
[Peter Hansen]
Then Perl is an "agglutination of styles", while Python might
be considered a "crystallization of features"...
Grosso modo, yes. Yet, we should recognise that Python agglutinated
a few crystals in the recent years. :-)
It gave up some of its purity for pract
[Peter Hansen]
> Then Perl is an "agglutination of styles", while Python might
> be considered a "crystallization of features"...
Grosso modo, yes. Yet, we should recognise that Python agglutinated
a few crystals in the recent years. :-)
It gave up some of its purity for practical reasons. We
On 2005-02-09, Peter Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I characterized one way of looking at languages in this
>> way: a lot of them are either the agglutination of features
>> or they're a crystallization of style. Languages such as
>> APL, Lisp, and Smalltalk are what you migh
Grant Edwards wrote:
In an interview at
http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=273
Alan Kay said something I really liked, and I think it applies
equally well to Python as well as the languages mentioned:
I characterized one way of looking at languages in this
way: a
"""
Today he is Senior Fellow at Hewlett-Packard Labs and president of Viewpoints
Research Institute, a nonprofit organization whose goal is to change how
children are educated by creating a sample curriculum with supporting media
for teaching math and science. This curriculum will use Squeak as
On 2005-02-09, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Surely
>
> "Perl is another example of filling a tiny, short-term need, and then
> being a real problem in the longer term."
>
> is better lol ;)
That was the other one I really liked, and Perl was the first
language I thought of when I saw the phr
Surely
"Perl is another example of filling a tiny, short-term need, and then
being a real problem in the longer term."
is better lol ;)
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:00:32 -0800 (PST), Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> In an interview at
> http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=sho
In an interview at
http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=273
Alan Kay said something I really liked, and I think it applies
equally well to Python as well as the languages mentioned:
I characterized one way of looking at languages in this
way: a lot of them are eith
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