Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-19 Thread Jon Ribbens
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fredrik Lundh wrote: > these days, most end users get their Python either with their OS, > or by downloading a prebuilt installer. Oh, ok. I've just never heard such people referred to as "the distributors" before. It sounds like some sort of TV series! ;-) >> I gu

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-19 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I guess I just don't get why the inclusion of the pysqlite wrapper >is so exciting if all it's doing is changing the situation from >"Python does not come with a DB, but you can install extra software >to provide one" to "Py

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-19 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Jon Ribbens wrote: > "The distributors"? Que? all the downstream people who work their asses off to provide pre- built, pre-tested distributions for various platforms. this includes the PSF volunteers, commercial actors, and a large crowd of linux/bsd volunteers. these days, most end users get

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-19 Thread Jon Ribbens
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fredrik Lundh wrote: >> Apologies if I'm being obtuse, but how does including the pysqlite >> wrapper module change anything? You still need to download and install >> SQLite > > I'm pretty sure the distributors will do this for you, just as > they've included zlib,

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-19 Thread Jon Ribbens
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Lambacher wrote: > At least on windows. PySqlite is statically linked with the sqlite library. > This can be done because it is quite small. OK, well that makes sense, but why not on any other platform? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

RE: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
Aahz wrote: >> Indeed, I think the inclusion of ctypes is far and away the most >> exciting thing in 2.5. > > Really? More than pysqlite? My personal fave is the "with" statement. It makes a lot of code so much more elegant - esp. for things which are getting built-in context managers (e.g. fil

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Chris Lambacher
At least on windows. PySqlite is statically linked with the sqlite library. This can be done because it is quite small. -Chris On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 06:51:24PM +, Jon Ribbens wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aahz wrote: > > On that front, I think that pysqlite is much more importan

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aahz wrote: >> >> On that front, I think that pysqlite is much more important because >> it finally gets rid of the excuse for using Berkeley for simple >> database purposes. > >Apologies if I'm

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Jon Ribbens wrote: > Apologies if I'm being obtuse, but how does including the pysqlite > wrapper module change anything? You still need to download and install > SQLite I'm pretty sure the distributors will do this for you, just as they've included zlib, dbm, tcl/tk, openssl, and many other stan

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Jon Ribbens
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aahz wrote: > On that front, I think that pysqlite is much more important because > it finally gets rid of the excuse for using Berkeley for simple > database purposes. Apologies if I'm being obtuse, but how does including the pysqlite wrapper module change anything

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Jorge Godoy
Aahz wrote: > Heh. Since we're just finally turning in our 100% first draft of Python > for Dummies, I tend to think more in terms of what a Python newbie will > find useful. On that front, I think that pysqlite is much more > important because it finally gets rid of the excuse for using Berkele

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jorge Godoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Aahz wrote: >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>Indeed, I think the inclusion of ctypes is far and away the most exciting >>>thing in 2.5. >> >> Really? More than pysqlite? > >T

Re: 2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Jorge Godoy
Aahz wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Indeed, I think the inclusion of ctypes is far and away the most exciting >>thing in 2.5. > > Really? More than pysqlite? To me much more. After all, why would I need pysqlite if I use PostgreSQL? ;-) /me

2.5 excitement (was Re: Java Developer Exploring Python)

2006-04-18 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote: >> >> Consider for example that one of the additions to Python 2.5 (currently >> in alpha stage) is the inclusion in the Python standard library of >>