Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-08 Thread Steve Howell
--- Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Op Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:20:52 +1300, schreef greg: > > > If you want a really appropriate name for a > programming language, I'd > > suggest Babbage. (not for Python, though!) > > Konrad Zuse wrote the first high-level programming > language, so I thin

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-08 Thread Jan Claeys
Op Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:20:52 +1300, schreef greg: > If you want a really appropriate name for a programming language, I'd > suggest Babbage. (not for Python, though!) Konrad Zuse wrote the first high-level programming language, so I think his name would be a better candidate... -- JanC -- ht

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-06 Thread Patrick Mullen
Monty Python pioneered (or at least pioneered the organized televising of) a form of humor where there is no punchline or reason something is funny, it just is (or isn't). I find about half of it very funny, and the rest very unfunny. I used to find it more hilarious than I do now. It's an extre

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-06 Thread James Stroud
Terry Reedy wrote: > "Tóth Csaba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | > | >> Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its > hard > | >> to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. The jokes translate just fine in my co

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-06 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Boris Borcic a écrit : > Piet van Oostrum wrote: > >>> "Adrian Cherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (AC) wrote: >> >> >>> AC> For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced >>> AC> hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. >> >> >> Are you musically illiterate? > > > Note that the notat

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-06 Thread Hertha Steck
Boris Borcic wrote: > Piet van Oostrum wrote: >>> "Adrian Cherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (AC) wrote: >> >>> AC> For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced >>> AC> hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. >> >> Are you musically illiterate? > > Note that the notation for the n

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-06 Thread Piet van Oostrum
> "Adrian Cherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (AC) wrote: >AC> Piet van Oostrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in >AC> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: "Adrian Cherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (AC) wrote: >>> >AC> For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced AC> hash, I still refer t

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-06 Thread Boris Borcic
Piet van Oostrum wrote: >> "Adrian Cherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (AC) wrote: > >> AC> For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced >> AC> hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. > > Are you musically illiterate? Note that the notation for the note (!) isn't universal. French

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-06 Thread Adrian Cherry
Piet van Oostrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> "Adrian Cherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (AC) wrote: > >>AC> For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was >>pronounced AC> hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. > > Are you musically illiterate? Yup! The limits of

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-05 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > I wouldn't be that harsh... Though I've never heard # as "hash"... Python programmer and never heard of the hashbang? :) Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #170: popper unable to process jumbo kernel -- http://mail.

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-05 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Piet van Oostrum wrote: > "Adrian Cherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (AC) wrote: >> For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was >> pronounced hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. > > Are you musically illiterate? I wonder what Cb (C-flat) would be. Ada? :) Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-05 Thread Piet van Oostrum
> "Adrian Cherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (AC) wrote: >AC> For that matter C# is no better, I thought that # was pronounced >AC> hash, I still refer to C# as C-hash. Are you musically illiterate? -- Piet van Oostrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> URL: http://www.cs.uu.nl/~piet [PGP 8DAE142BE17999C4] Priva

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-05 Thread Robert Boyd
On Dec 4, 2007 10:02 AM, George Sakkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 3, 12:50 pm, "Russ P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I know this because I've been through it myself. When I tell people > > that I use Python, I often qualify it by pointing out that it is used > > extensively at Google.

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-05 Thread Adrian Cherry
"Russ P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com: > Speaking of stupid names, what does "C++" mean? I think it's > the grade you get when you just barely missed a "B--". But I > can't deny that it *is* good for searching. > For that matter C# is no better, I thought that #

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-05 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 04/12/2007, Hendrik van Rooyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Dotan Cohen" wrote: > > > Newton was the bridge between science and superstition. Without him, > > we would not have science. For that he is notable. He is both magician > > and scientist. It was Newton's belief in the occult that l

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-05 Thread Boris Borcic
Russ P. wrote: > If I had invented Python, I would have called it Newton or Euler, > arguably the greatest scientist and mathematician ever, respectively. This makes your taste on the matter dubious. Such choice of a name implies either a claim to the fame of the Person that's devoid of substanc

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-05 Thread Boris Borcic
Russ P. wrote: > Speaking of stupid names, what does "C++" mean? According to Special Relativity, C++ is a contradiction in terms :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-05 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
"Gabriel Genellina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >En Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:49:36 -0300, Dennis Lee Bieber ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: >> How about the cognate: Kulkukan? >You meant Kukulkan. If you got it wrong from "Apocalypto" (Mel Gibson), >well, it's just one of many errors in the film... Ei

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-05 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
"Dennis Lee Bieber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Euler? (most non-tech types would probably think that's a reference > to someone who squirts lubricants into the workings of a steam engine) You have just destroyed a long held image in my mind with this horrible homophone - I used to conjure up i

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-04 Thread Gabriel Genellina
En Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:49:36 -0300, Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > How about the cognate: Kulkukan? You meant Kukulkan. If you got it wrong from "Apocalypto" (Mel Gibson), well, it's just one of many errors in the film... -- Gabriel Genellina -- http://mail.python

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-04 Thread Kristina ivana
On 4 Dec 2007 13:40:47 GMT, Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: > On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:31:55 +0100, Zara wrote: > > > > He meant quetzatcoatl. We could rename the language. > > That name is already taken in the progr

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-04 Thread George Sakkis
On Dec 3, 12:50 pm, "Russ P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know this because I've been through it myself. When I tell people > that I use Python, I often qualify it by pointing out that it is used > extensively at Google. In other words, I'm banking on the reputation > of Google to offset the go

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-04 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote: > On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:31:55 +0100, Zara wrote: >> He meant quetzatcoatl. We could rename the language. > > That name is already taken in the programming language domain. > There's a Tiny C compiler for 6510 based targets: Uh, why don't take one of his aliases?

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-04 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:31:55 +0100, Zara wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:51:35 +0200, "Dotan Cohen" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>On 30/11/2007, Gerardo Herzig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> You will be eaten by the Snake-Ra god tonight! >> >>Wasn't Ra the Sun god? >> > > He meant quetzatcoatl

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-04 Thread grflanagan
On Dec 4, 11:53 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Dec 4, 11:36 am, MarkE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ithon > > Pie - Fun Pie-a-thon? http://montypython.tribe.net/thread/fd519910-25e3-4102-b898-8815d6ece32a http://www.flickr.com/photos/kirstywombat/1862165664/ -- http://mail.python.org/mail

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-04 Thread Tóth Csaba
Dennis Lee Bieber írta: > Changing the name of the language, at this stage, means giving up > over ten years of history and rebuilding name recognition from > scratch... Along with having to rename Jython, IronPython, CherryPy, > probably Boa Constructor, the pysqlite DB adapter, numpy, scipy

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-04 Thread cokofreedom
On Dec 4, 11:36 am, MarkE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ithon Pie - Fun -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-04 Thread MarkE
Ithon -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-04 Thread Zara
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:40:10 -0800 (PST), "Russ P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Dec 1, 12:47 pm, "J. Clifford Dyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:10 -0800, Russ P. wrote: >> > On Dec 1, 2:10 am, Bjoern Schliessmann > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > Russ P. wrote: >> >

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Zara
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:51:35 +0200, "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 30/11/2007, Gerardo Herzig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You will be eaten by the Snake-Ra god tonight! > >Wasn't Ra the Sun god? > He meant quetzatcoatl. We could rename the language. Now try qith Quetzatcoatl and it

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
"Dotan Cohen" wrote: > Newton was the bridge between science and superstition. Without him, > we would not have science. For that he is notable. He is both magician > and scientist. It was Newton's belief in the occult that led to his > discovery of gravity: the fact that distant objects could i

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread MonkeeSage
On Dec 3, 5:39 pm, "Russ P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 3, 2:40 pm, "Terry Reedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Until the OP posted his lastest 'why', I assumed this proposal was an April > > Fools' post that he just could not wait to post. In fact, given that the > > effective cost wo

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 2:40 pm, "Terry Reedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Until the OP posted his lastest 'why', I assumed this proposal was an April > Fools' post that he just could not wait to post. In fact, given that the > effective cost would be in the $millions, I an still not sure he is sanely > seri

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 3:09 pm, "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People who claim that everyone would agree with them if they'd only > open their minds or think out of the box are worth more than a few Never said anything like it. It's a red herring that you either imagined or made up. > points on

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Chris Mellon
On Dec 3, 2007 4:26 PM, Russ P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 3, 2:12 pm, "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 3, 2007 4:02 PM, Russ P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 3, 1:47 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Bullshit. Nowadays

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Jim Hill
Michael Terry wrote: > >Folks admire Newton for some of his breathtaking insights, not because >of his methods. The scientific method is a tool. As was Newton, according to many of his contemporaries. > The results are far more important than the tool. Yep. Jim -- "I loathe people who say, '

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Russ P. schrieb: > On Dec 3, 1:58 pm, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> ...and thus, maybe the joke is on you? Just to play devil's advocate... > > Yes, the joke *is* on me -- every time I have to explain to someone > why I am using this funny-sounding language. That's the point. Yeah

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Terry Reedy
"Tóth Csaba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | >> Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its hard | >> to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. | >> Just a few ppl knows them. || back from jokes, im _really_ inter

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 2:12 pm, "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 3, 2007 4:02 PM, Russ P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 3, 1:47 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Bullshit. Nowadays, anyone serious (since you seem to worry quite a lot > > > about "being se

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2007-12-03, Michael Terry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > !!! > > Folks admire Newton for some of his breathtaking insights, not > because of his methods. The scientific method is a tool. The > results are far more important than the tool. Right. The biggest weakness in the scientific method is th

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2007-12-03, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : >> Second, python also means snake, snake is not a good thing in >> western culture. Many people dislike any things relevant to >> snake. We must have high regard for the custom. >> >> Now, python3000 is co

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Michael Terry
!!! Folks admire Newton for some of his breathtaking insights, not because of his methods. The scientific method is a tool. The results are far more important than the tool. Also, it's not a game. His wacky ideas don't cancel out his brilliant ones. If you want to say that he technically wasn't

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Chris Mellon
On Dec 3, 2007 4:02 PM, Russ P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 3, 1:47 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Bullshit. Nowadays, anyone serious (since you seem to worry quite a lot > > about "being serious") about IT knows what Python is and who uses it. > > Heck, even MSV

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 1:58 pm, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...and thus, maybe the joke is on you? Just to play devil's advocate... Yes, the joke *is* on me -- every time I have to explain to someone why I am using this funny-sounding language. That's the point. -- http://mail.python.org/mailma

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 1:47 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bullshit. Nowadays, anyone serious (since you seem to worry quite a lot > about "being serious") about IT knows what Python is and who uses it. > Heck, even MSVS now has support for Python and there's an official CLR > port of it.

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Dan Upton
On Dec 3, 2007 4:34 PM, Russ P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm amazed that anyone here answered this obvious troll... > > I doubt the original post was a troll, but the statement above clearly > is. > > You are entitled to your opinion about the idea of changing the name > of the language, bu

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 1:04 pm, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au> wrote: > On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:11:19 +, Neil Cerutti wrote: > > To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, Newton was too successful. > > Over-veneration of Newton was eventually an impediment to progress--this > > was not, of cour

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Russ P. a écrit : >>I'm amazed that anyone here answered this obvious troll... > > > I doubt the original post was a troll, but the statement above clearly > is. Then your trollometer is broken. Got and get yourself a working one. > You are entitled to your opinion about the idea of changing th

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
> I'm amazed that anyone here answered this obvious troll... I doubt the original post was a troll, but the statement above clearly is. You are entitled to your opinion about the idea of changing the name of the language, but calling it a troll is just arrogance on display. Python3000 is expect

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:29:58 -0800, Russ P. wrote: >> He might have been a great intellectual but he was no scientist. It's >> only by ignoring the vast bulk of his work -- work which Newton himself >> considered *far* more important and interesting than his work on >> physics and mathematics -- t

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:11:19 +, Neil Cerutti wrote: > To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, Newton was too successful. > Over-veneration of Newton was eventually an impediment to progress--this > was not, of course, his fault. Given that the veneration of Newton was very much a product of Newton's

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > Python is a good programming language, but "Python" is not a good > name. > > First, python also means snake, Monty Python. If we search "python" in > google, emule, many results are not programming resource. If we search > PHP, all results are programming resource.

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Tommy Grav
On Dec 3, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Tóth Csaba wrote: > Russ P. írta: >>> Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because >>> its hard >>> to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. >>> Just a few ppl knows them. >> >> I've heard it helps to be stoned out of yo

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Robert Kern
Tóth Csaba wrote: > back from jokes, im _really_ interested what is core developers, mainly > Guido's opinion about the name change. I'm pretty sure it's, "Not a chance." -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our ow

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Tóth Csaba
Russ P. írta: >> Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its hard >> to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. >> Just a few ppl knows them. > > I've heard it helps to be stoned out of your mind (i.e., under the > influence of illegal drugs), but

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
> Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its hard > to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. > Just a few ppl knows them. I've heard it helps to be stoned out of your mind (i.e., under the influence of illegal drugs), but I don't necessarily re

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Gary Herron
Russ P. wrote: > On Dec 3, 8:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> The only reason to change the name would be because of some serious >> bad PR that came onto Python, thus causing its branding name to be >> catagorized as something bad. >> >> However this is not the case, presently, and the bran

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Tóth Csaba
Russ P. írta: > Python is a "funny" name -- in both senses of the word. No? Then > why did a comedy team adopt it? Python name is not funny for me. Even the Monty Python, because its hard to translate their jokes, and in my country they are not so popular. Just a few ppl knows them. Newton is a w

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 8:22 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The only reason to change the name would be because of some serious > bad PR that came onto Python, thus causing its branding name to be > catagorized as something bad. > > However this is not the case, presently, and the brand name is well > establishe

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread cokofreedom
The only reason to change the name would be because of some serious bad PR that came onto Python, thus causing its branding name to be catagorized as something bad. However this is not the case, presently, and the brand name is well established and accepted. There is no reason to change its name a

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2007-12-03, Russ P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 3, 5:23 am, Steven D'Aprano >> I'm not suggesting that Leibniz was any more of a scientist >> than Newton was, nor am I suggesting that Newton's >> achievements should be *rejected* (er, except for those pesky >> Quantum Mechanics and Relat

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Francesco Guerrieri
On Dec 3, 2007 4:40 PM, Russ P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I said before, a name is > just a name. It might as well be called "cockroach" as far as I am > concerned. Unluckily "the Beatles" was already taken :-) francesco -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 3, 5:23 am, Steven D'Aprano > I'm not suggesting that Leibniz was any more of a scientist than Newton > was, nor am I suggesting that Newton's achievements should be *rejected* > (er, except for those pesky Quantum Mechanics and Relativity things...). > I'm just saying that we should unders

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread MonkeeSage
On Dec 3, 7:23 am, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au> wrote: > On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:12:17 -0800, MonkeeSage wrote: > > Being fair, the bulk of Liebniz' writings have also been rejected by > > those in related fields. Most modern metaphysicians hold a view closer > > to Boston

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:12:17 -0800, MonkeeSage wrote: > Being fair, the bulk of Liebniz' writings have also been rejected by > those in related fields. Most modern metaphysicians hold a view closer > to Boston Personalism or at least post-Kantian Personalism (a la Buber), > than monadic unity and

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-03 Thread MonkeeSage
On Dec 2, 4:47 am, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au> wrote: > On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:55:32 -0800, Russ P. wrote: > > I neither know nor care much about Newton's personality and social > > graces, but I can assure you that he was more than a "technician" (no > > offense to techn

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-02 Thread greg
Russ P. wrote: > I am surprised to see that Newton is not taken. Not for a language, but there is a physics simulation library called Newton -- which is a more appropriate use of the name, I think. To me, he's more associated with physics than mathematics. If you want a really appropriate name f

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-02 Thread Russ P.
> He might have been a great intellectual but he was no scientist. It's > only by ignoring the vast bulk of his work -- work which Newton himself > considered *far* more important and interesting than his work on physics > and mathematics -- that we can even *pretend* he was a scientist. The fact

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 02/12/2007, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:55:32 -0800, Russ P. wrote: > > > I neither know nor care much about Newton's personality and social > > graces, but I can assure you that he was more than a "technician" (no > > offense to technicians). > > > > If y

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-02 Thread Clement
On Dec 1, 9:51 am, "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 30/11/2007, Gerardo Herzig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You will be eaten by the Snake-Ra god tonight! > > Wasn't Ra the Sun god? > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.comhttp://gibberish.co.il > א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-02 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:55:32 -0800, Russ P. wrote: > I neither know nor care much about Newton's personality and social > graces, but I can assure you that he was more than a "technician" (no > offense to technicians). > > If you just read the Wikipedia preamble about him you will realize that >

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-02 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Russ P. wrote: > Python is an "acceptable" name, but Newton1 (or Newton3) would be > a great name. Nah, I like Monty and Snakes. Newton already has his name as unit for kg*m/s^2. :) Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #74: You're out of memory -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-l

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 02/12/2007, Russ P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I neither know nor care much about Newton's personality and social > graces, but I can assure you that he was more than a "technician" (no > offense to technicians). > > If you just read the Wikipedia preamble about him you will realize > that he

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 02/12/2007, Hendrik van Rooyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Russ P." wrote: > > > I am surprised to see that Newton is not taken. I urge > > Guido to take it while it is still available. Sir Isaac > > certainly deserves the honor. > > Does he? Are you aware of how he treated Hooke? > > He was

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 01/12/2007, Russ P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So what dou you think about D language? :) Or F or F#? > > I think that one-letter names are even worse for languages than they > are for variables. And they are impossible to google. Update: well, they were when _I_ needed to... I just tried,

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-02 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 1, 11:34 pm, "Hendrik van Rooyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Russ P." wrote: > > I am surprised to see that Newton is not taken. I urge > > Guido to take it while it is still available. Sir Isaac > > certainly deserves the honor. > > Does he? Are you aware of how he treated Hooke? > > H

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
"Russ P." wrote: > I am surprised to see that Newton is not taken. I urge > Guido to take it while it is still available. Sir Isaac > certainly deserves the honor. Does he? Are you aware of how he treated Hooke? He was a great technician, but as a person, you would not have had him marry your

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Hendrik van Rooyen
"John Machin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 1, 5:14 pm, "Hendrik van Rooyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "John Machin" wrote: > > > > > Pythons are good snakes; they hypnotise the meaninglessly chattering > > > bandarlog and eat them. Beware! > > > > What is a bandarlog - I know the ba

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread George Sakkis
On Dec 1, 9:06 pm, Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pythons are big, non-poisonous snakes good for keeping the rats out > of a system I'm looking forward to Spider(TM), the first bug-free language ;-) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Russ P.
> Heck, lots of names are > take:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetical_list_of_programming_languages I am surprised to see that Newton is not taken. I urge Guido to take it while it is still available. Sir Isaac certainly deserves the honor. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinf

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 1, 4:57 pm, Bjoern Schliessmann wrote: > Tóth Csaba wrote: > > Lets evaluate from the Python3000: Newton3 (N3). > > > +1 vote from me :) > > Nah. Python is an "acceptable" name, but Newton1 (or Newton3) would be a great name. Shouldn't a great language have a great name? I think so. And I

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Tóth Csaba wrote: > Lets evaluate from the Python3000: Newton3 (N3). > > +1 vote from me :) Nah. BTW, why exactly do you keep using an X-Face header completely identical to mine? Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #364: Sand fleas eating the Internet cables -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread greg
Dotan Cohen wrote: > C++ is obviously C+1, ie, what comes after C. Although it was a bit rude to choose the destructive form C++ instead of C+1. Many programmers are quite happy with C as it is and don't want their language overwritten! Also there's the rather confusing fact that the value of the

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Tóth Csaba
Russ P. írta: >>> Newton was a great scientist, and his name is easy to spell and >>> pronounce. >> Should be, but a large proportion of the population pronounce it so >> that it rhymes with "hootin" as in "hootin n hollerin" :-) > > You can count me in that large proportion. 8^) > > The 1 also s

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Russ P.
> > Newton was a great scientist, and his name is easy to spell and > > pronounce. > > Should be, but a large proportion of the population pronounce it so > that it rhymes with "hootin" as in "hootin n hollerin" :-) You can count me in that large proportion. 8^) By the way, after thinking about

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread John Machin
On Dec 2, 8:40 am, "Russ P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > None. None of them are good names by my criteria. But then, a name is > only a name. One of the few names I like is Pascal, because he was a > great mathematician and scientist. > > After thinking about it a bit, here are examples of what

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Paul Rudin
"J. Clifford Dyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ...Perl is named for a knitting technique, Lisp is named for a > speech impediment... I can't figure out whether you're being serious or not but, for the record, those are not where the names of those two languages come from. http://en.wikipedia.

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 1, 12:47 pm, "J. Clifford Dyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:10 -0800, Russ P. wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2:10 am, Bjoern Schliessmann > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Russ P. wrote: > > > > I agree that Python is not a good name for a programming language, > > > > Why n

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread J. Clifford Dyer
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:10 -0800, Russ P. wrote: > On Dec 1, 2:10 am, Bjoern Schliessmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Russ P. wrote: > > > I agree that Python is not a good name for a programming language, > > > > Why not? > > Think about proposing its use to someone who has never heard of it

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2007-12-01, Bjoern Schliessmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: >> C was named after the B programming language, as it was inspired >> and meant to replace it. C++ is obviously C+1 > > Strictly speaking, C++ evalutes to C, but C is incremented > afterwards. Bjarne was only inter

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Russ P.
On Dec 1, 2:10 am, Bjoern Schliessmann wrote: > Russ P. wrote: > > I agree that Python is not a good name for a programming language, > > Why not? Think about proposing its use to someone who has never heard of it (which I did not too long ago). As the OP pointed out, a Python is a snake. Why sho

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 01/12/2007, Bjoern Schliessmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Strictly speaking, C++ evalutes to C, but C is incremented > afterwards. > :) I will remember that! Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it mess

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Dan Upton
On Dec 1, 2007 12:34 PM, Bjoern Schliessmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dotan Cohen wrote: > > C was named after the B programming language, as it was inspired > > and meant to replace it. C++ is obviously C+1 > > Strictly speaking, C++ evalutes to C, but C is incremented > afterwards. > I guess

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread James Matthews
Well in the future we will ask the internet god "Google" to guide us in making the name! On Dec 1, 2007 6:02 PM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 01/12/2007, Tóth Csaba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > man.. :)) the biggest point in this thread :DD > > btw in my country not much, because

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Dotan Cohen wrote: > C was named after the B programming language, as it was inspired > and meant to replace it. C++ is obviously C+1 Strictly speaking, C++ evalutes to C, but C is incremented afterwards. Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #307: emissions from GSM-phones -- http://mail.python.o

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 01/12/2007, Tóth Csaba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > man.. :)) the biggest point in this thread :DD > btw in my country not much, because we write it "szex" :DD > > tsabi > We got you beat: "סקס". Try that on a Latin keyboard! Actually, "szex" might be a great name, as it implies the meaning wi

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 01/12/2007, Russ P. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of stupid names, what does "C++" mean? I think it's the grade > you get when you just barely missed a "B--". But I can't deny that it > *is* good for searching. C was named after the B programming language, as it was inspired and meant t

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Tóth Csaba
Dotan Cohen írta: > On 01/12/2007, Aaron Watters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Nov 30, 9:58 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Now, python3000 is coming. It's the best time to rename! >> Yes, but "Thong" would be a better name, >> due to the minimalist syntax and the >> attraction/repulsion/catat

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 01/12/2007, Aaron Watters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 30, 9:58 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Now, python3000 is coming. It's the best time to rename! > > Yes, but "Thong" would be a better name, > due to the minimalist syntax and the > attraction/repulsion/catatonic revulsion effect i

Re: "Python" is not a good name, should rename to "Athon"

2007-12-01 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 30/11/2007, Gerardo Herzig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You will be eaten by the Snake-Ra god tonight! Wasn't Ra the Sun god? Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people nor

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