pickle error by multiprocessing

hey for a schoolproject we had to build a robot and control this robot with a gui to follow a pathWe use multiprocessingand in our group 2 people can run the codebut if i run the code, i got a pickle errorI have a windows 7 and use python 2.7 just like the othersWe asked our prof, but he doesn't

Re: the Gravity of Python 2

se applications, their development resources, and the bump a Python 3 port presents for them, is off. Regards, Martijn -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: the Gravity of Python 2

ython community really so fragile it can't deal with a little bit of pushback? What's not fine is that people who think all is well tell the people who disagree to shut up. Maybe we should introduce the concept of "check your Python 3 privilege". Regards, Martijn -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: the Gravity of Python 2

On 01/08/2014 01:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Well, in the original article I argue that it may be risky for the Python community to leave the large 2.7 projects behind because they tend to be the ones that pay us in the end. I also

Re: the Gravity of Python 2

really help with incremental upgrades after all. But that's how I reason about it, and how I weigh things. I think the current strategy is risky. Regards, Martijn -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: the Gravity of Python 2

remain unchanged, and to the magic of ducktyping will continue to work. You can then tackle things incrementally. Regards, Martijn -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: the Gravity of Python 2

Hi there, I just tried this out with the future module to see what it actually does, and I got this: On 01/07/2014 01:54 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: First the Python 3 behavior: py3str + py3str = py3str Yup, of course. py3bytes + py3bytes = py3bytes Again of course. py3str

Re: the Gravity of Python 2

27;m quite sure I could be getting something wrong; it's only a few days since I saw 'future' and started thinking along these lines. Regards, Martijn -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

informal #python2.8 channel on freenode

#x27;s have some discussions first to see whether anything can happen. Hope to see you there for some discussion! Regards, Martijn -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers

On Sun, 05 May 2013 17:07:41 -0400, Roy Smith wrote: > There *are* programming languages worse than PHP. Have you ever tried > britescript? Have you tried MUMPS? :-) M4 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: pyZui - anyone know about this?

You could do some really awesome stuff with that! I love the webpage example where you zoom in on the exclamation mark and there's a new page. Just imagine the possibilities! On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Donn wrote: > On Tuesday 15 December 2009 04:29:39 David Roberts wrote: > > Yes, the to

Re: What type of info do you capture about a user's environment for debugging?

der (which may be different than application folder) >> - temp path >> - user path ("My Documents", "Home") >> Information captured via our browser interface >> - display resolution >> - browser version >> Anyone have any additional suggestions or feedb

Re: os.remove() permission problem

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Victor Subervi wrote: > Hi; > I get the following error when I try > os.remove(file) > > *OSError*: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'particulars.py' > args = (13, 'Permission denied') > errno = 13 > filename = 'particulars.py' > strerror = 'Pe

Re: a 100-line indentation-based preprocessor for HTML

It´s quite clear to me: Not. I've taken a look at the "Timebar", and in the last two months there has been no change at all. On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Steve Howell wrote: > On Nov 27, 9:56 pm, "David Williams" wrote: > > You might want to take a look at this: > > > > http://www.ghrml.org

CTypes problem.

I wanted to use PyWiiUse, but, well, it sucks Then I thought; it can't be THAT hard, can it? So I began porting WiiUse to Python using ctypes, but apparently, I did something wrong. poll() gives back an event, *but* (there's always a but) the event doesn't register. Or... Well... See for yoursel

Pokemon gamestyle in Python

First; sorry, the title might be somewhat unclear about what I mean. Then; I know PyGame and I've worked with it, but I want to make a Pokemon/Legend of Zelda style game with a moving guy on a map. So what I'm asking is; is there anything better than PyGame for this gamestyle? -- http://mail.pyth

Re: Pyfora, a place for python

I think it's a really good idea :) My accountname is "TotempaaltJ" On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Paul Rubin wrote: > Saketh writes: > > I am proud to announce the release of Pyfora (http://pyfora.org), an > > online community of Python enthusiasts to supplement co

Ctypes and Structures

button To be honest: I have no idea what is_pressed actually does, but it should return True or False? After testing around a bit I found out that dev.contents.btns always equals 420. Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: if statement, with function inside it: if (t = Test()) == True:

On 24 apr, 12:15, Chris Rebert wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:00 AM, GC-Martijn wrote: > > Hello, > > > I'm trying to do a if statement with a function inside it. > > I want to use that variable inside that if loop , without defining it. > > > d

Re: if statement, with function inside it: if (t = Test()) == True:

On 24 apr, 12:11, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:00:26 -0700, GC-Martijn wrote: > > Hello, > > > I'm trying to do a if statement with a function inside it. I want to use > > that variable inside that if loop , without defining it. > > &g

if statement, with function inside it: if (t = Test()) == True:

Hello, I'm trying to do a if statement with a function inside it. I want to use that variable inside that if loop , without defining it. def Test(): return 'Vla' I searching something like this: if (t = Test()) == 'Vla': print t # Vla or if (t = Test()): print t # Vla ---

Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:46:18 -0400, John W Kennedy wrote: >> The 1401 was a decent enough processor for many industrial tasks -- at >> that time -- but for general programming it was sheer horror. > > But the easiest machine language /ever/. True, very true. M4 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:33:30 -0400, John W Kennedy wrote: > Actually, I was thinking of the 1401. But both the 1620 and the 1401 > (without the optional Advanced Programming Feature) share the basic > omission of any instruction that could do call-and-return without > hard-coding an adcon with the

Re: still get a using a python script in the crontab

On 19 sep, 16:50, Zentrader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I run the command /usr/sbin/program_prgchk everything works (no > > process) > > But when I use it in the crontab I get a process > > The crontabs file on my system is stored in /var/spool/cron/ > crontabs/. It appears you are checkin

still get a using a python script in the crontab

program_prgchk everything works (no process) But when I use it in the crontab I get a process Thanks for helping, GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: exists already

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:17:00 -0700, Xah Lee wrote: > About a month ago, i posted a message about modernization of emacs. I > enlisted several items that i think emacs should adapt. And you are posting this to compl.lang.perl because.?? F'up set. M4 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/lis

Compile python on Solaris

arch=amd64 -xregs=no%frameptr LDFLAGS=-xtarget=opteron -xarch=amd64 anybody succesfully compiled python on solaris? thanks, martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Compile python on Solaris 64bit

4 -xregs=no%frameptr LDFLAGS=-xtarget=opteron -xarch=amd64 anybody succesfully compiled python on solaris? thanks, martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Compile python extension

e 33, in info self._log(INFO, msg, args) File "/opt/python/lib/python2.4/distutils/log.py", line 23, in _log print msg % args TypeError: not enough arguments for format string I've got the same issues with mysql and postgresql extensions, any ideas??? BTW anybody succesfully compiled python on Solaris using Sun Studio? thanks, Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: only a simple xml reader value

I'm newbie with that xml stuff. The only thing I must read is the response I get from a EPP server. A response like this: http://www.eurid.eu/xml/epp/epp-1.0"; xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"; xmlns:contact="http://www.eurid.eu/xml/epp/contact-1.0"; xmlns:domain="http://www

only a simple xml reader value

oxml() I get : The Fascist Menace thats oke for me - But the xmlfile I must read have other tags: theXML = """ The Fascist Menace bla la etc """ how to get that values ? I try things like: print doc.ge

Re: closing stdin, stdout and stderr

On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 23:15 +, Robin Becker wrote: > Robin Becker wrote: > > Martijn Brouwer wrote: > > > >> I am writing a unix daemon in python, so I want to close stdin, stdout > >> and stderr. > >> My first attempt was to the standard file de

Re: closing stdin, stdout and stderr

On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 23:13 +, Robin Becker wrote: > Martijn Brouwer wrote: > > I am writing a unix daemon in python, so I want to close stdin, stdout > > and stderr. > > My first attempt was to the standard file descriptors using their > > close() methods. After

closing stdin, stdout and stderr

. When I close them using os.close(), it did work. What is the difference between these two methods and what is the reason behind it? It took me a day to find out why I could not log out after starting the daemon. Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A faster shutil.rmtree or maybe a command.

A little. I think its yust to big to handle it. I'm going to ask it in a freebsd forum, maybe they know how to speed up. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

A faster shutil.rmtree or maybe a command.

le? Thanks, GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ssh or other python editor

- I'm a newbie at freeBSD so I think there is , but I don't know where. And i'm using putty on a windows OS what don't understand the syntax coloring. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ssh or other python editor

googling arround give me a full list of python editors and other stuff http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ssh or other python editor

>So you're using Putty to telenet/ssh into the FreeBSD server, but what >editor on you using on the FreeBSD server? I use pico for that. That Samba isn't available but I can install it. Or are there other editors for FreeBSD that I can run with putty ? I'm going googling arround again, Thanks.

ssh or other python editor

H! I'm using a windows machine. And a FreeBSD server where I run my python scripts. I'm working/making my python scripts in a windows OS with putty now. But I really want the python text colors and tab spacing like the python windows IDE but the problem is that I can't find a good program. Thank

Re: Free seminar on domain-specific modeling

the intuitive leap :-/ ) I suppose you mean software here? It seems I fail to make the "leap" towards understanding what you mean with this, feel free to elaborate. Regards, Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Free seminar on domain-specific modeling

ances you can generate all the lower level code (which in turn interfaces with your component framework). Wouldn't you agree this makes development faster and more mature? > You might also like to look up "flowchart" in your dictionary ;-) Maybe I will! Regards, Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Free seminar on domain-specific modeling

> if you don't understand the "silver bullet" reference, you're not > qualified to use phrases like "makes software development 5-10 times > faster". You could reverse that as well: http://www.dsmforum.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Free seminar on domain-specific modeling

> Martijn Iseger wrote: > >> Domain-specific modeling makes software development 5-10 times faster >> than approaches based on UML or MDA. It accelerates development and >> reduces complexity by automatically generating full code from >> higher-abstraction design mo

Free seminar on domain-specific modeling

Domain-specific modeling makes software development 5-10 times faster than approaches based on UML or MDA. It accelerates development and reduces complexity by automatically generating full code from higher-abstraction design models. Learn from speakers Juha-Pekka Tolvanen, Jack Greenfield, Stev

Re: Removing duplicates from a list

Thanks for all the information. And now I understand the timeit module ;) GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Removing duplicates from a list

Ow thanks , i'm I newbie and I did this test. (don't know if this is the best way to do a small speed test) import timeit def unique2(keys): unique = [] for i in keys: if i not in unique:unique.append(i) return unique def unique3(s): e = {} ret = [] for x in s:

Re: Removing duplicates from a list

Look at the code below def unique(s): return list(set(s)) def unique2(keys): unique = [] for i in keys: if i not in unique:unique.append(i) return unique tmp = [0,1,2,4,2,2,3,4,1,3,2] print tmp print unique(tmp) print unique2(tmp) -- [0, 1, 2, 4, 2

Re: Removing duplicates from a list

I do this: def unique(keys): unique = [] for i in keys: if i not in unique:unique.append(i) return unique I don't know what is faster at the moment. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

check if a webpage is forwarding to a other webpage

url - check: if '-': check if 'sitename.com' has not the same content as site-name.com the problem: There are still website's forwarding to a other location with the same content but they overrule the 3 checks above. Thanks very Much, GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: fileinput.input - newbie question

That works fine ;) Thanks for the fast help. GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

fileinput.input - newbie question

;1\n": print line, #is it possible to 'use' / print the 'line' on the screen here? thefile.close() When its not possible then I use 2 file's filein.txt,fileout.txt Thanks, GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: newbie question: convert a list to one string

Thanks that's what i need. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

newbie question: convert a list to one string

unlist(test): output='' for v in test: output = output+" "+v return output Thanks for helping, GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ElementTree Namespace Prefixes

rol over generation of prefixes during element construction. You can find it here: http://codespeak.net/lxml Regards, Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: include "apythonscript.py"

Ah damn , that's the way. And what if you have a very big class and want to include some class functions ? class ThisIsAClass: def __init__(self): Here I want to import a class def -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

include "apythonscript.py"

se { the maincode.py will be super super large. } Thanks, GC-Martijn - if you don't understand what I mean: http://www.php.net/include -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Challenge ahead [NEW] for riddle lovers

the page, tried the link, seen what you get back from that link and then adjusted the URL according to what you got back? From there on out, just follow the chain, the linked list. Martijn Pieters signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Challenge ahead [NEW] for riddle lovers

e result.. Martijn Pieters signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: If you use PayPal you might consider an alternative

forum/index.php?showtopic=3496 Martijn Pieters signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Challenge ahead [NEW] for riddle lovers

don't believe the suggestion about no more evils. *Then* pay close attention to what you find. If you get a 'Not Found' you either didn't pay attention in the previous step and have passed over the hint, or you searched in the wrong direction. Martijn Pieters signature.asc Des

Re: Python Challenge ahead [NEW] for riddle lovers

Roel Schroeven wrote: Unless Martijn Pieters here and mjpieters in the Python Challenge forum are two differen persons, you've found it in the meantime, haven't you? Yup, I found it. How evil and devious. I found the hint without Googling, BTW, but can see how Google would have led

Re: Python Challenge ahead [NEW] for riddle lovers

Martijn Pieters wrote: I haven't figured this one out yet either. Rather frustrating really. All the hints I've been given so far is to remember the solution for level 12. A, that was devious! I found it finally, how evil that was! I really fell for it too, until I paid more attenti

Re: Python Challenge ahead [NEW] for riddle lovers

Roel Schroeven wrote: You don't really need the remember the solution; it's more the process that led you to find the solution. Yup, I do remember the process, and it hasn't been any help so far.. no adjustable URLs leading to interesting files, no 'dealable' images,

Re: Python Challenge ahead [NEW] for riddle lovers

cated version that opens fine otherwise in Firefox which then gives you the piece that you correctly guessed at; no hints there. Martijn Pieters signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Challenge ahead [NEW] for riddle lovers

nst-it-didn't-help-either-ly yours, Martijn Pieters signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Get the entire file in a variable - error

I mean it like this. I must have a variable that includes a file (in this case a .gz file) for putting that in a database. (never null) Thanks, -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Supercomputer and encryption and compression @ rate of 96%

And how do you get the data back ? 1+0=0 == 0+0=0 0+1=1 == 1+1=1 let's say you have the end key : 0 then you want to decompress it , but in what ? 0 0 or 1 0 ;) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Get the entire file in a variable - error

H! I'm using a database and now I want to compress a file and put it into the database. So I'm using gzip because php can open the gzip file's. The only problem is saving the file into the database. The function below does this: - gzip the file [oke] - get all the bytes with tst.getvalue() [erro

Re: Spider - path conflict [../test.htm,www.nic.nl/index.html]

urllib.basejoin() that's what I need :) haha what a stupid code did I made. Thanks GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Spider - path conflict [../test.htm,www.nic.nl/index.html]

est/info/monkey1.html') fixUrl2('../monkey2.html','www.nic.nl/info/monkey1.html') info: fixUrl2('a new link found','in this page') I hope someone knows a professional working code for this, Thanks a lot, GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: newbie - threading

Thanks MyHaz, Now its oke :) thanks for that example -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

newbie - threading

rst 5 url's are oke but then I get a windows 2000 error. What to do ? GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

possible solution for bsddb > get data results on the internet.

script maybe ? Or must I use python and apache to get the fastest resonse... Thanks for helping/info GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: bsddb for k, v in db.items(): do order the numbers ?

uhm i'm trying to make a very simple but large database: Let's say I want these fields : |name|age|country| Then I can't do this because I use the same key db["name"] = 'piet' db["age"] = '20' db["country"] = 'nl' #same keys so it wil overwrite db["name"] = 'jan' db["age"] = '40' db["country

Re: file.getvalue() with _ or other characters

oke but how to delete [n] like this? : del = re.compile(r'[0-9]',).sub Thanks for the fast helping, GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: file.getvalue() with _ or other characters

mmm I'm a newbie with python. I did this but don't work: class mvbHTMLParser(htmllib.HTMLParser): def __init__(self, formatter, verbose=0): htmllib.HTMLParser.__init__(self,formatter,verbose) self.imglist = [] def handle_image(self,src,alt,*args): self.imglist.ap

file.getvalue() with _ or other characters

H! I do this to get a htmlTOtext file class mvbHTMLParser(htmllib.HTMLParser): def __init__(self, formatter, verbose=0): htmllib.HTMLParser.__init__(self,formatter,verbose) self.imglist = [] def handle_image(self,src,alt,*args): self.imglist.append(src) file =

why is http://pysqlite.org down ?

H! I'm trying things with databases and Python 2.4 for windows2000. And now I want to try pysqlite. but http://pysqlite.org/ is down and http://pysqlite.sourceforge.net/ redirect to pysqlite.org does someone know if this is the latest version http://sourceforge.net/projects/pysqlite/ pysqlite 2.

Re: bsddb for k, v in db.items(): do order the numbers ?

oyea, I must convert it to numbers ;) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

bsddb for k, v in db.items(): do order the numbers ?

WHen I use the code below and printing all the results i get this: -- 0 1 10 11 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 -- But I want -- 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 -- Thanks for helping import bsddb def addRow(key,val): db[key] = key print key, db = bsddb.btopen('test3.db','n') #maar 3 kolomen

Python - what is the fastest database ?

estion is: How is it possible that google (super big database) is super fast? What type database do they use / software ? Thanks Very Much, GC-Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [EVALUATION] - E01: The Java Failure - May Python Helps?

Alex Martelli wrote: Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Markus Wankus wrote: Google his name - he has been banned from Netbeans and Eclipse (and Hibernate, and others...) for good reason. Can you imagine how much of a Troll you need to be to *actually* get "banned" from the newsgroups of o

Re: NO REALLY

Macros SUX. Guido von Rossam is ITALIAN! And he SUX! I SUX TOO BUT I WILL NEVER ADMIT TO IT EVER IN THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION, I will answer ANY argument indicating that my arguments are fallacious and my behavior unreasonable with the TRUTH, which is that you SUX. Hah! Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: libxml2/xpath

in wrong. Can anyone throw a suggestion to the stupid? Is the html element in a namespace? Regards, Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: lies about OOP

Peter Hansen wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Peter Hansen wrote: Well, in any case, thanks for setting the record straight, Martjin. That of course also happens to me once every while. I can take care of myself though -- Dijkstra however needs an advocate for the correct spelling of his name in

Re: NO REALLY

at'd I miss? Regards, Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: lies about OOP

Peter Hansen wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Paul McGuire wrote: "Martijn Faassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message Yikes! (or better, "Jikes!" or even "Yijkes!"?) - my bad. And he was on faculty at UT right here in Austin, too. It's a very common mist

Re: lies about OOP

Paul McGuire wrote: "Martijn Faassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul McGuire wrote: [snip] I would characterize the 80's as the transitional decade from structured programming (which really started to hit its stride when Djikstra published &q

Re: lies about OOP

on's implementation. Another example of a C-based system that uses object oriented technologies is the GTK+ widget set. Anyway, this question is using a few data points to make an overly generic argument, and the data points themselves do not really support the argument so very well either.

Re: lies about OOP

Paul McGuire wrote: [snip] I would characterize the 80's as the transitional decade from structured programming (which really started to hit its stride when Djikstra published "Use of GOTO Considered Harmful") to OOP, and that OOP wasn't really "joyful" until the early-to-mid 90's. IMMEDIATE NOTICE

Re: from vb6 to Python

Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Unfortunately this is currently not near production use, and whether Microsoft is funding IronPython development is up in the air: It's true that he Ironpython's mailing list is a little bit innactive, but this is just because there&

Re: from vb6 to Python

tually, just wanted to correct the impression that IronPython is ready to go already. Regards, Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: from vb6 to Python

indings for many. You can also access MsAccess through ODBC, though it's been a few years since I did that. See the database topic guide: http://www.python.org/topics/database/ And this is a list of database bindings: http://www.python.org/topics/database/modules.html Regards, Martijn -- http

Re: ElementTree and XPATH

o/lxml-dev http://codespeak.net/svn/lxml/trunk/ Regards, Martijn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list