;fab not found" etc. when running 'fab command' thru
it. So then I ditch to os.system().
The long-term solution would be 'bash', '-c', 'yack yack yack' if you
want truly shelly things!
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On Jul 20, 6:17 pm, rantingrick wrote:
> RE: *Ben Finney changes thread subject*
>
> Please everyone, do not change the subject of someone's thread because
> it's considered rude. Thank you.
No it isn't. Rambling off on a new topic under the wrong subject is
rude.
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On Jul 20, 3:13 pm, sturlamolden wrote:
> On 20 Jul, 22:58, Phlip wrote:
>
> > Tkinter sucks because it looks like an enfeebled Motif 1980s dawn-of-
> > GUIs scratchy window with grooves and lines everywhere.
>
> The widget set is limited compared to GTK or Qt, though
On Jul 20, 10:32 am, rantingrick wrote:
> Steven, you have no buisness offering advice on Tkinter since you
> yourself have proclaimed that YOU NEVER used the module and never
> will. Stick to what you know please.
Allow me.
Tkinter sucks because it looks like an enfeebled Motif 1980s dawn-of-
> That's pretty funny. I knew what it would be even when I saw the cut-off
> subject line, and I am too young to remember it.
>
> Carl Banks
TTTO "[She put the lime in the] Coconut":
Brother wrote a database, he finish it on time
His sister add requirements, refactor every line
She change
> That modeling and sim guy
> Sure codes some mean Python!
C-;
And he changes key on the fly, too!
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Two of my feature requests for Morelia:
- integrate with the test runner (nose etc.) to provide one
dot . per passing step
- insert a long multi-line abstract string (typically
XML) with inside [[CDATA-style escaping tags
- the ability to stub a step as
- the ability to pass a | de
> I think it would add great value, since without it I'm unlikely to
> bother using Morelia in any project. The maintenance burden is too high
> to keep adding dependencies that come from a distinct dependency system
> outside my OS.
pip freeze! Specifically, we already added pip freeze and virtua
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> Ben Finney
That nose keeps reminding me of the start of one of the
On Jul 9, 8:38 pm, Ben Finney wrote:
> Phlip writes:
> > On Jul 9, 7:39 pm, mark curphey wrote:
>
> > > Thanks. FWIW I played with a bunch (Freshen, Morelia, Lettuce)
>
> > Morelia is "undermaintained" because it's finished. It attaches to an
On Jul 9, 7:39 pm, mark curphey wrote:
> Thanks. FWIW I played with a bunch (Freshen, Morelia, Lettuce)
Morelia is "undermaintained" because it's finished. It attaches to any
pre-existing TestCase-style test runner, hence there's nothing to
maintain!
Packages like Lettuce rebuild the entire
On Jul 8, 9:36 pm, Stefan Behnel wrote:
> mark curphey, 09.07.2011 01:41:
>
> > And for CI having been using Hudson for a while, any real advantages in a
> > Python / Django world for adopting something native like Trac and one of
> > the CI plugins like Bitten?
I'm kind'a partial to Morelia fo
On Jul 8, 12:42 am, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Phlip wrote:
> >> I worded that poorly. None is (AFAIK) the only instance of NoneType, but
> >> I should've clarified the difference.> The is operator does not compare
> >> types, it compares instances for ide
> I worded that poorly. None is (AFAIK) the only instance of NoneType, but
> I should've clarified the difference.> The is operator does not compare
> types, it compares instances for identity.
None is typesafe, because it's strongly typed.
However, what's even MORE X-safe (for various values of
On Jul 7, 11:36 am, Andrew Berg wrote:
> On 2011.07.07 12:22 PM, Martin Schöön wrote:> I just found the following url
> in my archives at work and
> > thought you might enjoy it:
> >http://thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html
>
> That's awesome.
That's "How To Write Unmaintainable Code" - a venera
On Jul 7, 6:24 am, Andrew Berg wrote:
> On 2011.07.07 08:11 AM, Phlip wrote:> No, I was pointing out that passing a
> type is more ... typesafe.
>
> None is a type.
I never said it wasn't.
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> On 2011.07.06 06:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:> Phlip wrote:
>
> > > Note the fix also avoids comparing to None, which, as usual, is also
> > > icky and less typesafe!
>
> > "Typesafe"? Are you trying to make a joke?
No, I was pointing out
On Jul 6, 1:25 pm, Carl Banks wrote:
> We already know about this violation of the least surprise principle; most of
> us acknowledge it as small blip in an otherwise straightforward and clean
> language.
Here's the production code we're going with - thanks again all:
def file_to_hash(path,
On Jul 6, 11:42 am, Andrew Berg wrote:
> On 2011.07.06 12:38 PM, Phlip wrote:> Python sucks. m = md5() looks like an
> initial assignment, not a
> > special magic storage mode. Principle of least surprise fail, and
> > principle of most helpful default behavior fail.
>
> >> def file_to_hash(path, m=None):
> >> if m is None:
> >> m = hashlib.md5()
> The first call will give you the correct checksum, the second: not. As the
> default md5 instance remembers the state from the previous function call
> you'll get the checksum of both files combined.
Ouch. That was i
> - Open the file in binary mode.
I had tried open(path, 'rb') and it didn't change the "wrong" number.
And I added --binary to my evil md5sum version, and it didn't change
the "right" number!
Gods bless those legacy hacks that will never die, huh? But I'm using
Ubuntu (inside VMWare, on Win7, o
Tx, all!. But...
> For example I use this function to copy a stream and return a SHA512 and
> the output streams size:
>
> def write(self, in_handle, out_handle):
> m = hashlib.sha512()
> data = in_handle.read(4096)
> while True:
> if not data:
>
wow, tx y'all!
I forgot to mention that hashlib itself is not required; I could also
use Brand X. But y'all agree that blocking up the file in python adds
no overhead to hashing each block in C, so hashlib in a loop it is!
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save(). The speed boost
remained. I have no idea what farmdev fixture was doing to slow things
down.
Anyway thanks for the library, but you can see I can't use its fixture
loader; I'm just putting this out here.
But does it do Django models, and are they performant?
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many. Behavior
Driven Development scenarios should be readable and not run-on.
(Morelia has a table feature for when you actually need lots of
arguments.)
Next question: Does re.search() return a match object that I can get
('a', '', '', '', 'bbb', 'c') out of? The calls to groups() and such
always return this crazy ('a', 2, 'bbb', 'c') thing that would disturb
my user-programmers.
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and."
The match returns 'a, bbb, and c', but the groups return ('bbb', 'c').
What do I type for .groups() to also get the 'a'?
Please go easy on me (and no RTFM!), because I have only been using
regular expressions for about 20 years...
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value = kwargs.get('_default', None)
if kwargs.has_key('_default'): del kwargs['_default']
class _DefMap(dict):
def __init__(self, *a, **kw):
dict.__init__(self, *a, **kw)
self.__dict__ = self
def __getitem__(self,
On Oct 23, 8:01 am, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> You may be better off with __getattr__().
Ayup, thanks. (Maybe I should have googled for "python equivalent of
ruby method_missing", hmm?;)
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eading for a proxy pattern, where if you never call the
generated prop, you never hit the database to load it into memory.)
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> for k in [k for k, v in d.items() if v is None]:
> del d[k]
Tx everyone!
And I forgot about shadowing dict(), I forgot about del d[k], and I
didn't know Python had "dict comprehensions" yet.
Anyway this one might become the winner.
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s so
often manage maps better than that...
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3d cube".
Have fun!
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On Sep 7, 4:38 pm, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
> When you're using a language, you should use the style that the
> language emphasizes.
You mean like this?
uri = reverse('my_uri_name', kwargs=dict(pk=record.pk))
That 'kwargs' there is ... a lapse of judgement. It is exposing a
technical detail (t
On Sep 7, 5:51 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 9/7/2010 2:53 PM, Phlip wrote:
>
> > They are for situations which the caller should care not to handle.
>
> Python is simply not designed that way. Exception raising and catching
> is a common flow-control method in Python. If
On Sep 7, 6:23 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> Does catching the exception not defeat the “Samurai Principle”?
Read my comic:
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SamuraiPrinciple
Exceptions are very dangerous by themselves, because if you don't trap
them just right they can cause side-effects. They are
On Sep 7, 1:06 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers
wrote:
> try:
> return Model.objects.get(pk=42)
> except Model.DoesNotExist:
> return sentinel
Visual Basic Classic had a Collection Class, which worked essentially
like a real language's Hash, Map, or Dict.
Except - it had no operation to test membe
On Sep 7, 11:36 am, Tim Chase wrote:
> > And no it's not "much clearer". Exceptions are for catastrophic errors
> > that the caller should care not to handle. A "record not found" is not
> > a catastrophe.
>
> Exceptions are not limited to catastrophic errors, simply
> exceptional (not the common
On Sep 7, 10:36 am, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Phlip wrote:
> > Back to the topic, I tend to do this:
>
> > for record in Model.objects.filter(pk=42):
> > return record
>
> > return sentinel
>
> How is that any better th
On Sep 7, 10:12 am, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
> Phlip a écrit :
>
> > Back to the topic, I tend to do this:
>
> > for record in Model.objects.filter(pk=42):
> > return record
>
> > return sentinel
>
> WTF alert here...
I don't see how an
to the Django
committees shortly... C-:
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> How does that compare to, say, the "Kamikaze Principle"? ;)
Return victorious AND not at all!
(All return values are packed up and thrown...;)
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Pythonistas:
The "Samurai Principle" says to return victorious, or not at all. This
is why django.db wisely throws an exception, instead of simply
returning None, if it encounters a "record not found".
I illustrated the value of that concept, here:
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SamuraiPrinciple
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#x27;password'
Okay, now call _what_, on or around auth, to convert it to its XML?
I'm sure this is easy, because the SUDS internals must do this all the
time, right?
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On Jun 10, 10:00 am, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jun 10, 4:40 am, Jean-Michel Pichavant
> wrote:
>
> > Internet rule, number 30:
>
> > "There are no girls on the internet"
>
> Well i hope at least your bedroom door does not still have that sign
> hanging...
>
> #
> #*
On Jun 3, 9:47 am, Phlip wrote:
> Hypo Nt:
>
> Here's xmlrunner.py:
>
> http://www.rittau.org/python/xmlrunner.py
>
> you attach it to your developer tests, and it emits a file called
> "TEST-unittest.TestSuite.xml", containing auspicious
On Jun 3, 9:54 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I don't know what rubbish ISPs you're dealing with
You've heard of a little fly-by-night outfit called AT&T?
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On Jun 3, 3:58 pm, geremy condra wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Phlip wrote:
> > On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra wrote:
>
> >> > You mean like how I never get answers, to my super-easy GED-level
> >> > questions, here??!
>
> >> I agr
On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra wrote:
> > You mean like how I never get answers, to my super-easy GED-level
> > questions, here??!
>
> I agree. This proves conclusively that a web forum is the right
> place for you.
Ah, so you feel up to my "xsl for xmlrunner.py" question?
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On Jun 2, 3:18 am, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> +1
>
> Yuck; no better way to make new users hate your product than have a web
> forum - where they post questions
Free of all the spam that leaks into here from the remnants of
USENET!!
> and never get answers...
You mean like how I never ge
ly? All the
bloggage on this seems to assume that everyone already knows this
because _everyone_ graduated to Python thru Java...
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On May 12, 3:03 pm, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:
> Pretty much, yeah... Realistically, we're probably talking less than a minute
> each time, so objectively it's not really a big deal -- it's just different
> than what I'm used to so I'm noticing it more. :-)
>
> I guess what I'm realizing here is that
On May 12, 1:38 pm, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:
> Well, sure, that is the current fix... but an "edit and continue" feature
> would make for a much faster fix. :-)
Are you implying, after an edit, you need to start a program again,
then enter several user inputs, to navigate back to the place where
yo
On May 12, 12:44 pm, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:
> I find myself making mistakes in typing the name of classes and/or methods
> when I'm first getting started with them (there are some thousands of them
> after all, and even of commonly used classes/methods you're probably talking
> upwards of a hundre
On May 12, 10:42 am, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:
> Does any Python debugger support this feature?
I have worked for >3 years by now in Python and have never once
debugged.
People who need "edit and continue" probably need developer tests
instead. You typically edit the test a little, run all the code
On May 10, 1:29 pm, Phlip wrote:
> Pythonistas:
>
> I have a question to epydoc-devel, but it might be languishing:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=l2n860c114f1...
>
> How do you populate the index.html output with your (insanely clever)
> cont
> epydoc supports reStructured text markups.
Oh, good. For a moment there, I thought I'd be stuck with a markup
language that was persnickety!
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On May 11, 3:54 am, Jean-Michel Pichavant
wrote:
> I remember trying using Sphinx for auto documented APIs, but it was not
> suitable at that time. You can include API docs generated from the code,
> but you still need to write the docs around.
> If I'm correct, Sphinx is one of the best tool to
On May 10, 1:51 pm, Phlip wrote:
> On May 10, 1:39 pm, Chris Rebert wrote:
>
> > Sphinx is in vogue right now:http://sphinx.pocoo.org/
Okay, we have ten thousand classes to document. How to add them all to
index.rst?
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On May 10, 1:39 pm, Chris Rebert wrote:
> Sphinx is in vogue right now:http://sphinx.pocoo.org/
>
> It's used for the official docs and its results are quite pretty.
The manager said to hold off on Sphinx until the next phase - then ran
off to get married or something.
But yet I persevere...
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On Apr 22, 6:15 pm, Jerry Hill wrote:
> 10,10.0,10.00,"10"
>
> That's an int, a float, a Decimal and a string, all of which appear to
> be formatted as I would expect.
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On Apr 22, 5:03 pm, MRAB wrote:
> It might be a stupid question, but have you tried passing in the
> Decimal() object itself?
Yep. Nope. Might as well (we ain't working today).
But sorry, as usual, for my tone, and thanks all for playing!
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hat would allow
Decimal() to do its job, unimpeded.
Also, the CSV format should set its configurations per-column, not
just per-file.
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Python has
> something to do with the usability it offers programmers.
You mean like...
Order.has_many :line_items
?
Oops, sorry, wrong language. My bad!
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On Mar 26, 6:14 am, Luis M. González wrote:
> Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey,
> Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc...
>
> Monkeys everywhere.
> Sorry for the off topic question, but what does "monkey" mean in a
> nerdy-geek context
hort time
ago:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/03dd85ce009044e9
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def assert_model_changes(self, mod, item, frum, too, lamb):
source = open(lamb.func_code.co_filename, 'r').readlines()
[lamb.func_code.co_firstlineno
f block:
try: block()
finally: previous.chdir()
That's based on Jason Orendoff's work at
http://www.jorendorff.com/articles/python/path
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tory similar to the C++ Boost project? All the nice-to-
have classes that extend the core of C++ get to live in Boost before
the C++ Committee pulls the best ideas off the top and add them to the
Standard Library...
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ests, then you have a bigger problem than
memory requirements. (You can throw $50 hardware at that!)
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it?
Their unit tests are just as complete, illustrative, and
administratively sanctioned, right?
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On Feb 22, 3:27 pm, Krister Svanlund
wrote:
> And when will be as famous as the Beatles?
And when will http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
u are actually developing, so your tests
should skip any irrelevant layers, and only test the layers where you
yourself might add bugs.
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Lacrima wrote:
> I run my tests all the time (they almost replaced debugger in my IDE).
> But there are times, when I can't just run tests after 1-3 lines of
> code.
...
> Maybe it's not proper TDD
You are still being too literal. The "1-3 lines of code" guideline is
a guideline, not a rule. It m
care in your tearDown() to scrub your
environment.
Google "Mock abuse" from here...
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aste of time.
Do you run your tests after the fewest possible edits? Such as 1-3
lines of code?
I'm not sure why the TDD books don't hammer that point down...
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edits, and always correctly predict if
the tests will pass, or will fail, and with what diagnostic. (And
configure your editor to run the stankin tests, no matter how hard it
fights you!) The high-end tricks will get easier after you get the
basic cycle down.
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capsulation") to run as stubs, with some of their
behaviors turned off. And if you TDD low-level code that hits a
database, a mock would only tell the test what it wants to hear. And
if you TDD high-level code that manages business rules, database
records make perfectly good behaviora
rowth, Python still has
no Pathname class. What a mature community! C-:
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hem the following sloka:
Don't be clever don't be witty
Or you'll wind up BEING the Committee!
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cles/python/path
# Author: Jason Orendorff (and others - see
the url!)
# Date:7 Mar 2004
class path(_base):
""" Represents a filesystem path.
"""
Gods bless http://www.google.com/codesearch, huh?!
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and the tweak is:
parser = etree.HTMLParser(recover=False)
return etree.HTML(xml, parser)
That reduces tolerance. The entire assert_xml() is (apologies for
wrapping lines!):
def _xml_to_tree(self, xml):
from lxml import etree
self._xml = xml
type - is still useful to TDD generated code, because its XPath
reference will detect that you get the nodes you expect.
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this option until someone
suggests a better fix!
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join() and insert the / correctly, for example.
What's the best equivalent in Python-land?
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with its tests.
However, our editors must catch up to us. When I test, I am statically
declaring a set of types, even if the language would prefer to
dynamically fling them hither and yon. We should leverage that.
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mk wrote:
The application will display (elaborate) financial charts.
Pygame? Smth else?
Back in the day it was Python BLT.
Are you on the Web or the Desktop?
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You just said that your code browsing "works pretty well, except when
it doesn't".
Hence my blog entry. If your editor analyzed your code at runtime,
instead of just static analysis, then it could see tha
On Feb 3, 3:10 am, Vladimir Ignatov wrote:
> Finally I develop a feeling that strong instrumentation / tools can
> bring us the best of two worlds. That I am dreaming on is an absolute
> new type/class of IDE suitable for Python and potentially for other
> dynamic-type languages. Instead of curre
ys use executable cloc to measure
the ratio of test to production code (where 1.2:1 is almost
comfortable an 2:1 is sacred).
Just so long as nobody confuses "more lines of code!" with progress...
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Aahz wrote:
In article <7e09df6a-cda1-480e-a971-8f8a70ac4...@b9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Phlip wrote:
On Jan 20, 11:20=A0pm, Michele Simionato
wrote:
pylint does too many things, I want something fast that just counts
the lines and can be run on thousands of files at once.
cloc seem
y experience with Python codebases that big...
...how many of those lines are duplicated, and might merge together
into a better design?
The LOC would go down, too.
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On Jan 18, 11:09 pm, Jean Guillaume Pyraksos
wrote:
> What's the best one to use with beginners ?
> Something with integrated syntax editor, browser of doc...
> Thanks,
Before this message goes stale, there's TextMate (which I have too
much experience with to consider redeemable in any way)...
to see how the --xml option
works.
(Then you'd use a XSL filter to rip the XML into HTML...)
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On Jan 18, 5:59 am, Anh Hai Trinh wrote:
> > Go uses := for assignment.
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> Except that it doesn't. := is a declaration.
Ah, and that's why Go is easy for cheap parsers to rip.
Tx all!
I was formerly too mortified to proceed - now I'm back in the Go camp.
They fixed the hideous redundancy of J
a shift and 2 characters for a very common operator.
Pass!
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John Nagle wrote:
It's just somebody pirating movies. Ineptly. Ignore.
Anyone who leaves their movies hanging out in tags, without a daily download
limit or a daily hashtag, deserves to be taught a lesson!
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A> as Google vs China shows, all programmers should resist hacking, no
matter how inept it may be, by any means necessary
B> John should not have attempted to leave a dead trail in the archives.
Searches for BeautifulSoup should always return answered questions.
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et it to fail, then change the code as
little as possible to get it to pass. Repeat until done, occasionally refactoring.
If old code now works, just leave it alone. Until it needs a new feature, and
then wham! it has tests.
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any other suggestions they've been holding back,
>> or had mentioned earlier, on how to improve my design
Write scads of unit tests!
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