On 10/08/2017 12:43 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
leam hall :
"Linux" means so many things to people.
Yes, but just because someone can spell it doesn't mean they can
redefine it. :)
Closer to home, systemd has taken a central role in the main Linux
distributions. I think i
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
>
> The thing that *really* annoys me is Linux insisting on colourising
> the output to a tty, since it invariably seems to pick an undreadable
> colour scheme. And the case-insensitive sorting... there's a reason
> Makefile starts with a capit
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 7:15 AM, Ben Finney
wrote:
> Leam Hall writes:
>
> > Folks on IRC have suggested using virtualenv to test code under
> > different python versions. Sadly, I've not found a virtualenv tutorial
> > I understand. Anyone have a link to a good
A while back I pointed out some challenges for the Python community's
intake of new coders. Mostly focusing on IRC and the Python e-mail list.
Several people have stepped up their "welcome" game and I've been very
impressed with the way things are going.
Great job!
Leam
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Folks on IRC have suggested using virtualenv to test code under
different python versions. Sadly, I've not found a virtualenv tutorial I
understand. Anyone have a link to a good one?
The next step will be to figure out how to package a project; a good
tutorial URL would be appreciated on that,
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 10:52 AM, justin walters wrote:
>
> I got through writing all of the above without realizing that you meant you
> wanted to build a
> desktop application and not a web application. Though, I think the advice
> is still helpful.
>
>
Yes and no. Seriously thanks!
I am at fi
On 09/27/2017 10:33 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
Some areas of knowledge follow, a programmer should not be
ignorant in all of them:
---
Stefan, this is list AWESOME!
I have started mapping skills I have to the list and ways to build
skills I don't have. Last night I started working on a pro
On 09/28/2017 04:15 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
With Python, I'd say that an appreciation of the available libraries
is key - both what's in the stdlib, and what's available from PyPI.
That's not to say you should memorise the standard library, but rather
cultivate an approach of "hmm, I'm pretty sure
On 09/28/2017 07:35 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
But remember that paid programmers usually do not "code",
in the sense of "write a program from scratch". Most of the
work is maintenance programming, where an important part of
the job is to read and understand a piece of code.
Coding fro
My question has received several helpful responses, thanks!
On 09/28/2017 01:01 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 12:41:24 -0400, leam hall
declaimed the following:
"Programmer"... or "Software Engineer"?
I haven't kept up on "
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Ned Batchelder
wrote:
> On 9/23/17 2:52 PM, Leam Hall wrote:
>
>> On 09/23/2017 02:40 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>
>>> https://nedbatchelder.com//blog/201709/beginners_and_experts.html
>>>
>>> Great post.
>>>
&g
On 09/23/2017 02:40 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
https://nedbatchelder.com//blog/201709/beginners_and_experts.html
Great post.
Yup. Thanks for the link. I often have that "I bet Fred> doesn't get frustrated." thing going. Nice to know Ned bangs his
head now and again. :P
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On 09/23/2017 05:14 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Kryptxy wrote:
Thank you all! I opened a ticket about the same (on github).
I got response from most of them, and all are agreeing to the change.
However, one contributor did not respond at all. I tried e-mailing, bu
On 09/19/2017 11:16 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
leam hall writes:
I'm working on designing the classes, sub-classes, and relationships in my
code. What is a good visual way to represent it so it can be stored in git
and shared on the list without large images or attachments?
Code /is/ d
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Stephan Houben <
stephan...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Op 2017-09-19, Steven D'Aprano schreef pearwood.info>:
>
> > There is a significant chunk of the Python community for whom "just pip
> > install it" is not easy, legal or even possible. For them, if its not i
I'm working on designing the classes, sub-classes, and relationships in my
code. What is a good visual way to represent it so it can be stored in git
and shared on the list without large images or attachments?
Thanks!
Leam
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A few days ago I pointed out that this list's community had
"opportunities to improve". While we still have lots of those
opportunities, it is good to see several community members raise the bar
in welcoming new folks into the community.
Thank you for your help and positive attitude!
Leam
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Matt wrote:
Hi Leam-
>
> Targeting Python 2.6 for deployment on RHEL/CentOS 6 is a perfectly
> valid use case, and after the recent discussions in multiple threads
> (your "Design: method in class or general function?" and INADA Naoki's
> "People choosing Python 3"), I doubt it would be very usefu
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> leam hall wrote:
>
> > Doesn't seem to work. The failing code takes the strings as is from the
> > database. it will occasionally fail when a name comes up that uses
> > a non-ascii chara
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
> Leam Hall wrote:
>
> > On 09/17/2017 08:30 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> >> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Leam Hall wrote:
> >>> Still trying to keep this Py2 and Py3 c
On 09/17/2017 08:30 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Leam Hall wrote:
Still trying to keep this Py2 and Py3 compatible.
The Py2 error is:
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xf6'
in position 8: ordina
On 09/17/2017 07:25 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 08:03 pm, Leam Hall wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out how to convert a string to unicode in
Python 2.
A Python 2 string is a string of bytes, so you need to know what encoding they
are in. Let's assume you
Hmm... scratch the "young" and "Javascripters". Why lump them together
since I bet it's just a vocal few? Better to have said "people who don't
want to really learn the new language".
On 09/17/2017 06:03 AM, Leam Hall wrote:
Different view, I guess. I
Different view, I guess. I'm glad all the young Javascripters have that
issue. As an old guy trying to re-learn more python it gives me an
advantage. I'm usually interested in the best thislanguage-native way to
do something. Doing so makes me learn the language faster and tends to
generate bet
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Darin Gordon wrote:
> Bryan Cantrill gave an interesting talk recently at a Node conference about
> "platform values" [1]. The talk lead me to think about what the core values
> of the Python "platform" are and I thought it would be good to ask this
> question of
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> I presume that "tkinter" is intended to be pronounced
> "logically":
>
> T K inter (tee kay inter /ti keI In t%/)
>
> . But it would be faster to pronounce it
>
> T kinter (tee kinter /ti kIn t%/)
>
> . So far I've only ever read it, ne
On 09/12/2017 04:00 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Larry Martell writes:
https://svahausa.com/collections/shop-by-interest-1/products/python-code-fit-flare-dress
(And if any guys want to wear this, there's nothing wrong with that.)
Boo, the code is not PEP 8 conformant :-)
If it weren't for the bad
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:20 pm, Leam Hall wrote:
>
> > But if someone comes onto the list, or IRC, and says they need to stay
> > on Python 2 then please drop the dozens of e-mails and comments about
> > upg
On 09/12/2017 08:28 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:20 pm, Leam Hall wrote:
But if someone comes onto the list, or IRC, and says they need to stay
on Python 2 then please drop the dozens of e-mails and comments about
upgrading.
[...]
My recent experience with some peo
Steve,
Thank you very much. I appreciate your wisdom and support.
Leam
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On 09/12/2017 07:27 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Leam Hall wrote:
Hey Chris,
This is an area the Python community can improve on. Even I would encourage
someone new to Python and wanting to do webdev to use Python 3.
But if someone comes onto the list, or IRC
On 09/12/2017 12:29 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
Chris Angelico writes:
students learning Python *today* ... they're learning Python 3.
I'm not so sure of that. I do know a few people currently learning
Python, and they're using Python 2.
W
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Pavol Lisy wrote:
>
>
> Which part of third party ecosystem surrounding Python 3 is not (and
> could not be any time soon) sufficiently mature?
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>
yum, twisted.
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On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Leam Hall writes:
> >Haven't read the GoF book. Last time I checked it said "this is only
> >useful if you know Java"
>
> In the edition of 1997, some design patterns are accompanied
> with example
On 09/11/2017 03:30 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
Leam Hall wrote:
Okay Peter, I took your idea and mangled it beyond recognition. There's
a design constraint I hadn't mentioned: an instance of Character should
be able to have multiple careers.
Also, an instance can be created from scratc
On 09/08/2017 03:06 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
leam hall wrote:
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 07:20 pm, Leam Hall wrote:
OOP newbie on Python 2.6.
Python 2.6 is ancient, and is missing many nice features. You should
consider
using the l
I will add my +1 to the careful editing of code. Python's use of white
space is pretty good once you get used to it. My Ruby code looks a lot like
my Python code. :)
Leam
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y'all,
My god-kids and their proginators lost most everything because of
Harvey. I spent much of yesterday worrying about a friend who had gone
quiet as he evacuated his family ahead of Irma.
Please keep Python in perspective. Whether we use 1.5 or 4rc1 is a lot
less critical than using Pyth
On 09/10/2017 04:19 AM, Chris Warrick wrote:
On 10 September 2017 at 09:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
INADA Naoki :
I can't wait Python 3 is the default Python of Red Hat, and "python"
command means Python 3 on Debian and Ubuntu.
I can't wait till Python 3 is available on Red Hat.
Python 3.4
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Christopher Reimer <
christopher_rei...@icloud.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 8, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Ned Batchelder
> wrote:
> >
> > What is it that CompSci folks want that developers don't
> > want, that ruined Python 3?
>
> Long-winded debates about obscure language featur
On 09/08/2017 05:41 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
I'm confused about where the character_tools import is made. If that's
within a module in the lib package, it should be fine.
It looks like it's failing to find the lib package. Since you removed
the "lib" directory from sys.path, does its parent direc
A kind soul pointed out that my code uses a sys.path.append("lib") to
get files to be imported:
sys.path.append("lib")
from character_tools import *
He noted that having an __init__.py in lib and using:
from .character_tools import *
Should be sufficient for "please do
Various responses in no particular order:
On 09/08/2017 09:57 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
I've heard a lot of FUD about the Python 3 transition, but this one is
new to me. What is it that CompSci folks want that developers don't
want, that ruined Python 3?
It's not FUD if it's true. Calling it
On 09/08/2017 06:40 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Leam Hall :
However, those millions of servers are running Python 2.6 and a
smaller number running 2.7. At least in the US market since Red Hat
Enterprise Linux and its derivatives run 2.6.6 (RHEL 6) or 2.7.5 (RHEL
7). Not sure what Python SuSE uses
On 09/08/2017 05:45 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
leam hall writes:
I've wrestled with that discussion for a while and Python 3 loses every
time.
The context of the thread you started was that you are a *newcomer* to
Python. Now yo
On 09/08/2017 03:06 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
I'm pleading "method" as it allows per-class implementation.
Peter, as always you are a wealth of information! I have some extra time
today to digest your notes and visualize tap dancing Marines.
Thank you!
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On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 07:20 pm, Leam Hall wrote:
>
> > OOP newbie on Python 2.6.
>
> Python 2.6 is ancient, and is missing many nice features. You should
> consider
> using the latest version, 3.6.
>
I'v
OOP newbie on Python 2.6.
I create instances of Character class with an attribute dict of
'skills'. The 'skills' dict has the name of a skill as the key and an
int as a value. The code adds or modifies skills before outputting the
Character.
Is it better design to have a Character.method tha
On 08/28/2017 11:40 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
... a bunch of good stuff ...
I'm (re-)learning python and just trying make sure my function works.
Not at the statistical or cryptographic level. :)
Thanks!
Leam
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Is this a good way to test if random numeric output? It seems to work
under Python 2.6 and 3.6 but that doesn't make it 'good'.
### Code
import random
def my_thing():
""" Return a random number from 1-6
>>> 0 < my_thing() <=6
True
>>> 6 < my_thing()
False
"""
return random.randi
#I'm pleased to announce version 3.4.0, the first stable release of branch
#3.4 of SQLObject.
#
#
#What's new in SQLObject
#===
#
#* Python 2.6 is no longer supported. The minimal supported version is
# Python 2.7.
Is there a particular reason to eliminate RHEL 6 (Python 2.6)
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Skip Montanaro
wrote:
> > Getting in to Ansible and back into Python. Ansible uses pyyaml which
> says
> > it parses yaml version 1.1. Is there a reason it doesn't do yaml version
> > 1.2?
>
> Nobody's done the work? Note that on the PyPI page:
>
> https://pypi.py
Getting in to Ansible and back into Python. Ansible uses pyyaml which says
it parses yaml version 1.1. Is there a reason it doesn't do yaml version
1.2?
Thanks!
Leam
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