On 16/11/19 8:22 am, Chris Angelico wrote:
That's the typical sort of description you get from someone who mostly
understands Python's semantics, but is hung up on the idea that
everything is either call-by-value or call-by-reference, and is trying
to figure out which box Python fits into.
Or t
Cameron Simpson wrote:
I was unsure as to how serialised this was: just the import data
structures or the whole source-of-the-module.
It's the whole source. I found that out the hard way once -- I had
a thread that imported a module whose main code ran an event processing
loop. It stopped any o
Oscar Benjamin wrote:
In Python the original exception message plus traceback is often very
informative (to a programmer!) about the problem.
That's okay, exception chaining preserves the whole traceback if
you want to dig down that far.
Catching and
reraising can mean that you end up craftin
Cameron Simpson wrote:
Spencer's modules run unconditional stuff in addition to defining
classes. That may cause trouble.
It will -- because of the import lock, they won't run simultaneously
in the same process.
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Gilmeh Serda wrote:
Can't wait until we get to PEP 84657675, or PEP 33
PEP TREE(3) promises to be even more exciting!
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Peter J. Holzer wrote:
On 2019-11-04 18:18:39 -0300, Luciano Ramalho wrote:
In addition, as Rob said, it is usually a bad idea to wrap several
lines of code in a single try/except block
I disagree with this. While it is sometimes useful to wrap a single
line, in my experience it rarely is. T
DL Neil wrote:
Is there a technique or pattern for taking a (partially-) populated
instance of a class, and re-creating it as an instance of one of its
sub-classes?
Often you can assign to the __class__ attribute of an instance
to change its class.
Python 3.7.3 (default, Apr 8 2019, 22:20:19
Cameron Simpson wrote:
Python's default sys.path includes the current working directory.
Only in an interactive session, where it usually makes sense.
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Eli the Bearded wrote:
There isn't anything called UCS1.
Apparently there is, but it's not a character set, it's a loudspeaker.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1205978-REG/yorkville_sound_ucs1_1200w_15_horn_loaded.html
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ast wrote:
So what UserList is used for ?
It's mostly a leftover from the days when you couldn't subclass
built-in types. But it can still be useful if you want a custom
sequence object that doesn't inherit all of the built-in list
type's behaviour.
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Sharan Basappa wrote:
Now, if you see the print after getting the data, it looks like this:
##
[['"\t"81' '"\t5c']
['"\t"04' '"\t11']
['"\t"e1' '"\t17']
['"\t"6a' '"\t6c']
['"\t"53' '"\t69']
['"\t"98' '"\t87']
['"\t"5c' '"\t4b']
#
Eko palypse wrote:
I thought a method called fromhex would imply that bytes for an integer
should be created
Why should it imply that? You're asking it to create some bytes
from a string of hex digits -- no mention of integers. The obvious
thing to do is to put the bytes in the order they apper
Mark at PysoniQ.com wrote:
> an extension (.dll or .so) is not generally included in a
> makefile because it's dynamically linked and not incorporated into an
> executable -- which Python doesn't have.
If I change the source, the .dll or .so needs to be re-created. That's
a build step, and as suc
Cristian Cocos wrote:
And that is because entities belonging to the same
taxonomical class ("clade") have common features, and also inherit the
features of the taxonomical parent.
I think the notion you're after is what is known in the Python
world as a "protocol". This is an informal collectio
Cristian Cocos wrote:
type(print)
isinstance(print, builtin_function_or_method)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
NameError: name 'builtin_function_or_method' is not defined
Just curious why builtin_function_or_method doesn't work as an argument of
isinstance().
On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 2:27 AM Paul St George wrote:
BUT does not work with
| print('test2:',os.path.realpath(n.image.filepath))|
This returns only
|/image01.tif|
What does n.image.filepath look like on its own? If it starts
with a leading slash, then os.path.realpath will think it's
alread
Chris Angelico wrote:
I prefer to say "Trails" for the table, and "Trail" would then refer
to a single row from that table.
That makes sense for a data structure in your program that contains a
collection of rows. But I've come to the view that SQL tends to read
better if the names of the datab
MRAB wrote:
Another thing you might want to avoid is naming something with what it
is, e.g. "Trails_Table" (why not just "Trails").
Or possibly just "Trail", since any table potentially contains
multiple rows, so making all your table names plural doesn't
add any information.
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rkartun...@yahoo.com wrote:
This
code does successfully read in the bytes until there are around 2000-3000
bytes left to be read and then it seems to freeze on the int bytes_read =
in.read(msg_buff, 0, msg_buff.length) line.
This happens because you're trying to read more bytes than the sender
Nicholas Cole wrote:
[x.id for x in some_function()]
According to the profiler, some_function was being called 52,000 times
Is some_function recursive, by any chance?
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Chris Angelico wrote:
Given that we're dealing with a Nigerian inheritance, your Python
program will probably need to start with "import smtplib", and the
list in question will be the addresses of the people to send your 419
to
Obviously it's a Nigerian homework scam.
"Dearest Sir,I am the
Avi Gross wrote:
UNIX flowed the fields together with a limit of 14 that included an
actual optional period as a counted character.
The Unix kernel has no notion of a filename extension; a filename
is just a sequence of bytes. Using a dot-suffix to indicate a
file type is just a user-level conv
On 2019-04-30, Cameron Simpson wrote:
I'm pretty sure the VMS built in file versioning
went on the scheme MRAB described: rewriting version.rpt caused the old
version to become "version.rpt;n" where n counted up from 1.
The version numbers certainly counted upwards. But I'm fairly sure
a ver
Vincent Vande Vyvre wrote:
But the "return 0" is a common case for an "Foo_init()"
see:
https://docs.python.org/3.5//extending/newtypes.html#adding-data-and-methods-to-the-basic-example
Look carefully at the init function from that example:
static int
Noddy_init(Noddy *self, PyObject
Cameron Simpson wrote:
If you don't know the encoding then you don't know you're looking at a
hex digit. OTOH, if the binary data contain ASCII data then you do know
the encoding: it is ASCII.
Not necessarily, it could be a superset of ASCII such as latin-1 or
utf-8.
You do need to know that
Vincent Vande Vyvre wrote:
static int
ImgProc_init(ImgProc *self, PyObject *args, PyObject *kwds)
{
PyObject *tmp;
char *fname;
if (!PyArg_ParseTuple(args, "s", &fname))
return NULL;
You should be returning -1 here, not NULL.
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DL Neil wrote:
Thus the basic question: why do we (apparently) so seldom consider the
possibility of an ImportError?
Because the cases in which we can do something useful about
it are relatively rare.
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Arup Rakshit wrote:
What protocols I need to
learn, to define a custom immutable class ?
That depends on how strictly you want to enforce immutability.
The easiest thing is not to enforce it at all and simply refrain
from mutating it. This is very often done.
You can provide some protection a
Chris Angelico wrote:
At the moment, it isn't defined particularly as either a function or a
class,
Well, it's listed under a section called "Functions", so the reader
could be forgiven for assuming that it's a function. From a high
level point of view, it is -- you call it and it returns somet
adam.pre...@gmail.com wrote:
I've figured from this that I could do most
variable access by just generating LOAD/STORE_NAME and the FAST is an
(important) optimization.
Yes, that's possible, although access to intermediate scopes
(i.e. nonlocal) will need something else.
An
important exceptio
adam.pre...@gmail.com wrote:
Something I
don't really understand from a code generation perspective is the switch over
to STORE_NAME for class methods.
That's because, in this particular situation, the locals are
being kept in a dict instead of an array.
When compiling an ordinary function, th
adam.pre...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the plumbing taking the result of that code object over to this
proxy? I'm assuming __build_class__ runs that code object and then starts
looking for new names and see to create this.
Is this mapping proxy the
important thing for carrying the method declar
Paul Rubin wrote:
- array('u') works but it is deprecated, and (not sure) the doc page
says the object size is 2 bytes, so it may only handle BMP characters
The docs actually say "Depending on the platform, it can be 16 bits or 32
bits".
With Python 3.5 on MacOSX, it seems to work and hold t
Terry Reedy wrote:
I believe
that CPython function objects must currently all have the same size or
at least the same max size and conclude that CPython currently allocates
them from a block of memory that is some multiple of that size.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is a free list for func
djoy...@gmail.com wrote:
def buildVector(v) :
print(v[0],v[1],v[2])
If you want to be able to use the result of this function
in another computation, you need to return it, not print it:
def buildVector(v) :
return (v[0],v[1],v[2])
Similarly with buildRandomVector and vectorMagnitude
Alan Bawden wrote:
The Java compiler has no way to know whether a variable references an
object with a finalize() method that has side effects
It should be able to tell in some situations, e.g.
String a = "hello";
String b = a.replace('e', 'u');
There's no way that b can reference any
Thomas Jollans wrote:
If the inspect module's stack frame inspection machinery is supported,
then any function call might access any local... (though I don't think a
compliant Python implementation necessarily has to support the inspect
module fully).
You can be devious even without using the e
Alan Bawden wrote:
the Java Language
Specification contains the following language:
Optimizing transformations of a program can be designed that reduce the
number of objects that are reachable to be less than those which would
naively be considered reachable. For example, a Java compil
Thomas Jollans wrote:
I imagine there's a justification for the difference in behaviour to do
with the fact that the body of a class is only ever executed once, while
the body of a function is executed multiple times.
I suspect there isn't any deep reason for it, rather it's just
something that
Chris Angelico wrote:
Classes and functions behave differently. Inside a function, a name is
local if it's ever assigned to; but in a class, this is not the case.
Actually, it is. Assigning to a name in a class body makes it part
of the class namespace, which is the local namespace at the time
Stefan Ram wrote:
What's so important about the (presumed) address of a
function that it is shown on every stringification of
each function?
Its value isn't important at all. It's just a way of
distinguishing different objects in debugging output.
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Avi Gross wrote:
I can see why you may be wondering. You see the nan concept as having a
specific spelling using all lowercase and to an extent you are right.
No, he's talking about this particular line from the transcript you
posted:
>>>float(" nan")
> Nan
This suggests that the interpreter
vergos.niko...@gmail.com wrote:
[python] con = pymysql.connect( db = 'clientele', user = 'vergos', passwd =
'**', charset = 'utf8' ) cur = con.cursor() [/python]
From that i understand that the names being fetched from the db to pyhton
script are being fetced as utf8, right?
No, I don't th
vergos.niko...@gmail.com wrote:
I just tried:
names = tuple( [s.encode('latin1').decode('utf8') for s in names] )
but i get
UnicodeEncodeError('latin-1', 'Άκης Τσιάμης', 0, 4, 'ordinal not in range(256)')
This suggests that the string you're getting from the database *has*
already been correc
DL Neil wrote:
(not that New Zealanders need to know much about snakes!)
Probably recommended when we visit Australia, though.
Also we seem to have imported some of their spiders in recent
years, so it's only a matter of time before their snakes
follow.
I wonder if we could get Australia to p
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
Getting too close to REXX (which was something like Restructured
EXtended eXecutor).
And if we continue the theme of dinosaur evolution, we end up
with Tyrannosaurus REXX.
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Avi Gross wrote:
The question that seems to come up too often about the python name is a
distraction. In particular, it is answered fairly prominently in many places
as just being a nonsensical name because a founder once liked a comedic
entity that chose an oddball name, so they did too.
That
duncan smith wrote:
Hello,
Just checking to see if anyone has attacked this problem before
for cases where the population size is unfeasibly large.
The fastest way I know of is to create a list of cumulative
frequencies, then generate uniformly distributed numbers and
use a binary search
MRAB wrote:
Later processors have a DAS instruction, which is used after BCD
subtraction.
The humble 6502 doesn't have DAA/DAS, but instead has a decimal mode flag.
The 68000 also had a Decimal Add instruction, but disappointingly
it only worked a byte at a time. I guess running COBOL at high
Musatov wrote:
From a webpage.
Does it always come from the same web site? If so, you may be able
to scrape the web page to get the username and address, and then
have hot keys for pasting them.
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jf...@ms4.hinet.net wrote:
class Structure(metaclass=StructureMeta): ...
class PolyHeader(Structure): ...
As my understanding, the metaclass's __init__ was called when a class was
created. In the above example, both the Structure and PolyHeader called it.
My question is: because the PolyHeader
Cameron Simpson wrote:
I can't express how pleasing it is to see the traditional vi-vs-emacs
wars supplanted by emacs-vs-emacs :-)
We're the People's Front of Emacs, not the Emacs People's Front!
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Paul Rubin wrote:
I even wonder what happens if you turn Py_INCREF etc. into no-ops,
install the Boehm garbage collector in a stop-the-world mode, and
disable the GIL.
I suspect you would run into problems with things that need
mutual exclusion but don't do any locking of their own, because
the
Paul Rubin wrote [concerning GIL removal]:
It's weird that Python's designers were willing to mess up the user
language in the 2-to-3 transition but felt that the C API had to be kept
sarcosanct. Huge opportunities were blown at multiple levels.
You say that as though we had a solution for GIL
Thomas Jollans wrote:
Sure it is. He's contrasting *private* gain with *public* loss. If there
is any ambiguity here it is whether there is a threat *of* a public
loss, or *to* a public loss ^_^
I don't think you've spotted the error yet. I'm trying to
provide a clue as to which word you need
Chris Angelico wrote:
You mean at the level of words, or sentences?
I mean at the word level, so that a dumb algorithm can find
spelling errors. Auto-correcting errors at the semantic level
would require considerably better AI than we have at the moment.
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Rhodri James wrote:
I'm a great fan of erroneous spelling and this blog needs a spelling
check as this quote shows
"Mathematica exemplifies the horde of new Vandals whose pursuit of
private gain threatens a far greater pubic loss–the collapse of social
systems that took centuries to build."
Jach Fong wrote:
I get a string item, for example path[0], from path = os.get_exec_path()
It's something like "\\Borland\\Bcc55\\Include"
It doesn't actually have double backslashes in it, that's just a
result of how the string is being displayed. No conversion is
needed.
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Neal Becker wrote:
but it does violate the principle "Exceptions should
be used for exceptional conditions).
Python doesn't really go in for that philosophy.
Exceptions are often used for flow control, e.g.
StopIteration.
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Grant Edwards wrote:
Writing your own crypto software isn't a problem, and it can be very
educational.
Just don't _use_ your own crypto software.
Okay, so find a friend who also likes writing crypto
software, and use each other's software. Problem solved. :-)
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Steven D'Aprano wrote:
The right way is to
set the rounding mode at the start of your application, and then let the
Decimal type round each calculation that needs rounding.
It's not clear what you mean by "rounding mode" here. If you
mean whether it's up/down/even/whatever, then yes, you can
p
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Why in the name of all that's holy would anyone want to manually round
each and every intermediate calculation when they could use the Decimal
module and have it do it automatically?
I agree that Decimal is the safest and probably easiest way to
go, but saying that it "d
Frank Millman wrote:
I have been trying to explain why
they should use the decimal module. They have had a counter-argument
from someone else who says they should just use the rounding technique
in my third example above.
It's possible to get away with this by judicious use of rounding.
There
Chris Angelico wrote:
On 2018-08-28 13:19, Larry Martell wrote:
source .bashrc
I'm not sure what the point of it is, but
maybe it's ensuring that your $PATH is set correctly.
The installation you just did might have edited your
.bashrc file (to modify PATH etc.), so it ensures that
your curre
Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Lexically, there is special access:
class C:
def __init__(self, some, arg):
c = self
class D:
def method(self):
access(c)
access(some)
access(arg)
That's only because t
Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Some of these chores are heavier, some of them are lighter. But where I
have used Python, performance hasn't been a bottleneck. It it were, I'd
choose different approaches of implementation.
The point is that creating a class object every time you want a
closure is pointle
Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Chris Angelico :
3) Every invocation of method() has to execute the class body, which
takes time.
That's what happens with every method invocation in Python regardless.
No, it doesn't! Invoking a method involves creating a bound method
object, which is very small and l
Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
At least some of the methods of inner classes are closures (or there
would be no point to an inner class).
In Python there is no such thing as an "inner class" in the Java
sense. You can nest class statements, but that just gives you
a class that happens to be an attribute
Chris Warrick wrote:
The unusual domain is a common staple of Mailchimp, which is an e-mail
newsletter platform (it was used to mail out the announcement), and
they replace all links with tracking ones in their list-manage.com
domain.
Sounds like you need to find a mail service that doesn't
scr
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
So let me see if I understand your argument...
- we should stop using the term "binding", because it means
nothing different from assignment;
- binding (a.k.a. "assignment") comes from lambda calculus;
- which has no assignment (a.k.a. "binding").
No, that's not what
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
(Google doesn't seem to think so -- it asks me whether
I meant "assist shop". Although it does offer to translate
it into Czech...)
Into or from?? I'm thoroughly confused now!
Hard to tell. T
Stefan Ram wrote:
»assistshop«,
Is that a word?
(Google doesn't seem to think so -- it asks me whether
I meant "assist shop". Although it does offer to translate
it into Czech...)
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Stefan Ram wrote:
Gregory Ewing writes:
That's debatable. I've never thought of it that way and I'm
fairly certain I don't pronounce it that way. My tongue does
not do the same thing when I say "ch" as it does when I
say "tsh".
archives ˈɑɚ
MRAB wrote:
"ch" usually represents 2 phonemes, basically the sounds of "t" followed
by "sh";
That's debatable. I've never thought of it that way and I'm
fairly certain I don't pronounce it that way. My tongue does
not do the same thing when I say "ch" as it does when I
say "tsh".
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Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
maybe another word for pep revocation is fork
No, anyone can fork Python whenever they want, no discussion
required, without affecting Python itself.
Revoking a PEP would mean removing its implementation from
the main CPython repository.
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Paul Rubin wrote:
If you see the historical absence
of an assignment operator in Python as a mistake, then the introduction
of := is a fix for the mistake that only happened because people kept
complaining.
That's not quite the same thing. There was no a PEP saying
that there would never be ass
Larry Martell wrote:
And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called
Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch?
And Germany is called Deutchland?
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Chris Angelico wrote:
and eventually a 99.99% Dutch solution
will be produced.
Does this mean we need an is_probably_dutch() function?
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Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
He once went on for *weeks* about C's (yes, this was in c.l.c) failure
to have what he regards as a "proper" for-loop.
That could only have happened if there were people willing
to keep replying to him about it for weeks. So, if it was
a bad thing, you can't say it was entir
Robin Becker wrote:
The
villagers will shout "hey siri I need a compiler" and one will be
provided
Then one day someone says "Hey, Siri, make me an artificial
intelligence that can respond to voice commands", and then
it's not long before the AIs are breeding by themselves and
take over. Berri
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Even the Eskimos and Inuit, living in some of the harshest
environments on earth, managed to have a relatively wide variety of foods
in their diet.
They might be living on a very wide variety of berries.
Or perhaps, in their language, "berry" simply means "food".
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Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Not everything in Python uses a strict left-to-right reading order. Just
like English really.
Well, English is read left to right, but it doesn't always
mean things in the order it says them. :-)
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Mikhail V wrote:
There is one issue that I can't write \ on the end:
r"C:\programs\util\"
But since I know it's a path and not a file, I just write without trailing \.
Indeed. There's never a need to put a backslash on the end of
a path, as long as you always use os.path functions or
equivalen
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
but the type checker should infer that if you assign None to a variable
which is declared int, you must have meant Optional[int] rather than just
int.
This seems to be equivalent to saying that *all* types are
Optional, in which case what point is there in having Option
Ian Kelly wrote:
I can't now write all my statements as:
f(f := lambda f: do_something())
No, but you should be able to do
(f := lambda f: do_something())(f)
although since you're binding f in a scope that can be seen
by the lambda, there's probably not much point in passing it,
you could
Ben Finney wrote:
Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer writes:
[…]
*cut at this point*
Ooh, I like that last step! How do we make that happen on demand?
You mention that Nazis ate fish.
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Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2018-07-03, Dan Stromberg wrote:
I used to write useful programs that ran in 256 bytes of RAM.
Me too.
The hex monitor I wrote for the keypad/display on my first
computer fitted in 256 bytes. Which was important, seeing
as the whole machine only had 1.5k.
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Another way on unix that doesn't use signals:
import select, sys
print("Enter something: ", end = "")
sys.stdout.flush()
fds = select.select((0,), (), (), 5)
if fds[0] == [0]:
data = sys.stdin.readline()
print("You entered:", data)
else:
print("Too late!")
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Robin Becker wrote:
if I leave out the signal.signal(signal.SIGALRM,signal.SIG_IGN) then the
timeout function gets called anyway.
Yes, it needs some more stuff around it to make it useful.
Probably you also want the signal handler to raise an
exception and catch it somewhere rather than exiting
Mikhail V wrote:
s= "\"s\"" ->
s= {"s"}
But now you need to find another way to represent set literals.
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Steven D'Aprano wrote:
"Jack of all trades, master of none" sort of thing?
Or are you thinking more along the lines of one of those guys who masters
a new language in an hour and reaches expert level in a week?
I'm not talking about someone who hasn't mastered anything.
I'm talking about some
David D wrote:
Is there a SIMPLE method that I can have a TIMER count down at a user input
prompt - if the user doesn't enter information within a 15 second period, it
times out.
import signal, sys
def timeout(*args):
print("Too late!")
sys.exit(0)
signal.signal(signal.SIGALRM, timeou
Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Nevertheless, the later socket object cannot unilaterally take over a
socket using SO_REUSEADDR. The earlier socket object must have set the
same option previously.
I just did an experiment that suggests that's not the case.
I created a socket without SO_REUSEADDR, made a
Ian Kelly wrote:
Just because somebody knows a dozen languages
doesn't mean that they can come up with the correct algorithm,
That doesn't mean there's no correlation. Someone who is familiar
with a variety of languages is also very likely to be self-motivated
and have enough passion and curios
eryk sun wrote:
Python 2 raw strings are half-baked.
Obviously the "r" actually stand for "rare".
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Stefan Ram wrote:
from sys import ps1
ps1 = 'alpha'
>>> import sys
>>> sys.ps1 = "alpha"
alpha
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Cameron Simpson wrote:
The variable my_height is an int, and for an int both these things are
the same.
But note that 'd' and 's' can give different results when
other formatting options are present, e.g.
>>> "%05d" % 42
'00042'
>>> "%05s" % 42
' 42'
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Dan Stromberg wrote:
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Well, the same security issue can be demonstrated without SO_REUSEADDR:
The security issue can be real but is not directly related with
SO_REUSEADDR.
Yes, it can. It just takes longer.
I don't see how the addres
Cameron Simpson wrote:
It tends to mean "weird", but perhaps a more nuanced phrasing might be
unusual and strange, and usually connotes some degree of over complication.
When used in a derogatory way it means "excessively elaborate".
The Baroque period was characterised by extremely ornate
arch
Ethan Furman wrote:
They are the list of dates in which US banks are closed for electronic
business (funds transfers and things).
That sems like something that would be better specified in
a configuration file than hard-wired into the code, in case
the rules change.
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