On 2025-05-23, Thomas Passin wrote:
>> Alternatively look at the PATH envronment variable, which
>> contains a list of directories separated by semicolons and which you can
>> access as os.environ['PATH'] .
>
> There is really no reason for a config file to be on the system
> path.
On Unix/Lin
stem is never going to look in my ~/.local/lib/python* directories.
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On 2025-04-16, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
> On 4/15/25 16:07, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2025-04-15, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
>>
>>> On Linux, at least, it's standard for pip to install into the user's
>>> site
On 2025-04-15, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
> On Linux, at least, it's standard for pip to install into the user's
> site-packages location if it's not invoked with admin privileges - even
> without --user. Pip will emit a message saying so. Well, that used to be
> true but nowadays Pi
On 2025-02-10, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 at 04:04, Grant Edwards via Python-list
> wrote:
>> On 2025-02-09, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
>>
>>> You need the sources of the OpenSSL library, not the compiled library.
>>>
ained the library sources.
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rpreted by tputs/putp. The approach above only
works if you only care about certain terminals, and you know that none
of the terminfo strings you're using have those interal terminfo
escape sequences in them [AFAIK, that's true for the linux console,
xterm and the like, but not for many serial terminals.]
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ndow and then do everything based on single-stroke "command
keys" that print output in the lower part of the terminal window.
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On 2025-01-14, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> On 14/01/2025 00:20, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2025-01-13, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
>>
>>> All of that is possible in curses, you just have to code it.
>>
>> All of that is easy w
On 2025-01-13, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> All of that is possible in curses, you just have to code it.
All of that is easy with curses in C. Unfortunately, the high level
"panel" and "menu" curses subystems that make it easy aren't included
in the Python curses API, so doing it in Pyht
there's
> really nothing so good as usenet for proper discourse (!).
Don't forget you can also read this list (and thousands of others) via
the NNTP server at news.gmane.io. There really is no better way to
read lists that with a good news client.
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On 2024-12-16, aotto1968 via Python-list wrote:
> If I read the answers I come to the conclusion that the "supporters"
> at python doesn't ever understand the problem.
You should definitely demand to speak to the manager and request your
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On 2024-09-30, Dan Sommers via Python-list wrote:
> In Common Lisp, integers can be written in any integer base from two
> to thirty six, inclusive. So knowing the last digit doesn't tell
> you whether an integer is even or odd until you know the base
> anyway.
I had to think about that for an
On 2024-09-30, Dan Sommers via Python-list wrote:
> On 2024-09-30 at 11:44:50 -0400,
> Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>
>> On 2024-09-30, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > Imagine a pathological case of this shape: 1... <60GB of digits&g
On 2024-09-30, Left Right via Python-list wrote:
> Whether and to what degree you can stream JSON depends on JSON
> structure. In general, however, JSON cannot be streamed (but commonly
> it can be).
>
> Imagine a pathological case of this shape: 1... <60GB of digits>. This
> is still a valid JSON
On 2024-08-27, Gilmeh Serda via Python-list wrote:
> On 25 Aug 2024 15:46:25 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:
>
>> f"{int(number):>20,}"
>
> Great. Thanks. Do you have a link to where that's documented?
>
> I did web search, found nothing.
https://docs.python.org/3/library/string.html#formatspec
https://do
her
> "lock/GIL" etc.
No, not using any OS I've ever seen. The usual definition of "threads"
is that they share data, and the definition of "processes" is that
processes don't share data.
How exactly does what you're trying to do differ from runnig t
g
That depends on the training data and how the model works.
You should probably do some reading on neural networks, machine
learning, and pattern/object recognition. You appear to be trying to
use tools without understanding what they do or how they work.
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ery close to 100%
accurate at filtering them out. I can't remember the last time I
actually got a spam message in my inbox.
> A few years ago the spam count was greater than a 1,000 a month.
I'm baffled. Is Gmail silently rejecting that much junk before it
even gets to the filter th
converted to be one of the mailman 3 lists.
Gmane used to have a usable search feature (along with a decent
threaded web UI to read the arhives), but that got lost during the
great gmane server/domain upheaval of 2016 (or whenever that was). I
still miss it.
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hey almost always seem to be copies of replies that
were also posted to the mailing list (which I read using an NNTP
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On 2024-06-08, Larry Martell via Python-list wrote:
> The original question struck me as homework or an interview question for a
> junior position. But having no clear requirements or specifications is good
> training for the real world where that is often the case. When you question
> that, you
On 2024-06-05, dn via Python-list wrote:
> If you/your teacher can't define a "word", the code, any code, will
> almost-certainly be wrong!
Back when I was a student...
When there was a homework/project assignemnt with a vague requirement
(and it wasn't practical to get the requirement refined
On 2024-06-04, Edward Teach via Python-list wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jun 2024 14:58:26 -0400 (EDT)
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> On 2024-06-03, Edward Teach via Python-list
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The Gutenburg Project publishes "plain text". That's ano
On 2024-06-03, Edward Teach via Python-list wrote:
> The Gutenburg Project publishes "plain text". That's another
> problem, because "plain text" means UTF-8and that means
> unicode...and that means running some sort of unicode-to-ascii
> conversion in order to get something like "words". A
On 2024-05-31, Pieter van Oostrum via Python-list
wrote:
> HenHanna writes:
>
>> Given a text file of a novel (JoyceUlysses.txt) ...
>>
>> could someone give me a pretty fast (and simple) Python program that'd
>> give me a list of all words occurring exactly once?
>>
>> -- Also, a
On 2024-05-29, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
> On 5/29/24 08:02, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>> On 2024-05-29, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
>>
>>> print(f"if block {name[index]=} {index=}")
>>
>> Holy cow! How did I not kn
On 2024-05-29, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> print(f"if block {name[index]=} {index=}")
Holy cow! How did I not know about the f-string {=} thing?
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ome/user/apath', 'somefile')) as f:
> print(f.read())
> ```
>
> However, that is not the case.
For me, that block formats as expected using Python markdown.
What do you mean by "this code should work [...] that is not the case"?
What markdown renderin
can't even use pip to do "user" installs?
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ty that was used to copy files around on CP/M and DEC's
PDP-11 OSes.
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asonlly use pip to install something that isn't
packaged for Gentoo, but it doesn't seem to cause problems — let alone
nightmares. I also occasionally package something myself.
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On 2024-05-18, Mats Wichmann via Python-list wrote:
> Distros have do offer a good selection of packaged Python bits, yes, but
> only for the version of Python that's "native" to that distro release.
> If you need to test other versions of Python, you're mostly on your own.
For a few years I n
7;t think Linux users have to deal with venvs any more than
> Windows users. Maybe even less because many distributions come with
> a decent set of Python packages.
I've been using Python on Linux almost daily for 25 years, and I've
yet to use a venv...
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On 2024-05-14, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> On 14/05/2024 18:44, Gordinator via Python-list wrote:
>
>> I wish to write a terminal emulator in Python. I am a fairly
>> competent Python user, and I wish to try a new project idea. What
>> references can I use when writing my terminal emulator
On 2024-05-14, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote:
> On 14/05/2024 18:44, Gordinator via Python-list wrote:
>
>> I wish to write a terminal emulator in Python. I am a fairly
>> competent Python user, and I wish to try a new project idea. What
>> references can I use when writing my terminal emulator
7;t want to use the ncurses windowing functions,
here are some notes on how to do that:
https://github.com/GrantEdwards/Python-curses-and-terminfo
That too is C-Python oriented, and I don't really know how to do the
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On 2024-03-25, Loris Bennett via Python-list wrote:
> Grant Edwards writes:
>
>> On 2024-03-22, Loris Bennett via Python-list wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I was mistakenly thinking that the popping the element would
>>> leave me with the dict minus the popped key-v
On 2024-03-22, Loris Bennett via Python-list wrote:
> Yes, I was mistakenly thinking that the popping the element would
> leave me with the dict minus the popped key-value pair.
It does.
> Seem like there is no such function.
Yes, there is. You can do that with either pop or del:
>>> d =
On 2024-03-21, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
> As it's recommended to use the Python Launcher py on Windows, I use
> that instead:
>
> py -m pip install something
>
> because it gives better support if you have multiple versions of
> Python installed.
I adopted that practice years ago on Linux as
On 2024-03-15, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
> On 3/15/2024 5:30 AM, Loris Bennett via Python-list wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am initialising an object via the following:
>>
>> def __init__(self, config):
>>
>> self.connection = None
>>
>> self.source_name = config['so
On 2024-03-08, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
>
>> Hi, I tested this with Python 3.8. Good to know that this was fixed!
>
> We just learned a few posts back that it might be specific to Linux; I
> ran it on Windows.
On Linux, the limit is imposed by the filesystem. Most of the "real"
file
On 2024-03-08, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>> OSError: [Errno 36] File name to
On 2024-03-08, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
> On 2024-03-08, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
>> On 3/8/2024 1:03 PM, Albert-Jan Roskam via Python-list wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I was replacing some os.path stuff with Pathlib and I discovered this:
>
On 2024-03-08, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
> On 3/8/2024 1:03 PM, Albert-Jan Roskam via Python-list wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I was replacing some os.path stuff with Pathlib and I discovered this:
>> Path(256 * "x").is_file() # OSError
>> os.path.isfile(256 * "x") # bool
>> I
On 2024-03-08, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 at 00:51, Grant Edwards via Python-list
> wrote:
>
>> One might argue that "global" isn't a good choice for what to call the
>> scope in question, since it's not global. It's l
It's limited to that source
file. It doesn't make sense to me to call a binding "global", when
there can be multile different "global" bindings of the same name.
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On 2024-03-07, dn via Python-list wrote:
> The idea of importing a module into the REPL and then (repeatedly)
> manually entering the code to set-up and execute is unusual (surely type
> such into a script (once), and run that (repeatedly). As you say, most
> of us would be working from an IDE
On 2024-03-06, Roel Schroeven via Python-list wrote:
> Op 6/03/2024 om 17:40 schreef Jacob Kruger via Python-list:
>> >>> from scoping2 import *
>
> [...]
>
> I would advice not to use 'import *', if at all possible, for multiple
> reasons, one of which is to prevent problems like this.
Unfortun
On 2024-03-06, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
> On 2024-03-06 01:44, Ethan Furman via Python-list wrote:
>> On 3/5/24 16:49, MRAB via Python-list wrote:
>> > On 2024-03-06 00:24, Ethan Furman via Python-list wrote:
>> >> On 3/5/24 16:06, Chano Fucks via Python-list wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> [image:
On 2024-03-05, Cameron Simpson via Python-list wrote:
> Because there are no variable definitions in Python, when you write
> a function Python does a static analysis of it to decide which
> variables are local and which are not. If there's an assignment to a
> variable, it is a local variable.
have to spend a little time learning how they work, but in the
end you'll get done sooner and have better results.
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On 2024-02-19, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
> It's using f'{...}' at the moment.
Here's a demonstration of how to hook custom code into the f-string
formatting engine. It's brilliantly depraved.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55876683/hook-into-the-builtin-python-f-string-format-mach
ss that in future I'll wait a couple days before I assume
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On 2024-02-18, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list wrote:
> [Replying to the list *and* Grant]
>
> On 2024-02-17 19:38:04 -0500, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>> Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
>> weeks has shown up on the list.
>
Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in the past 3
weeks has shown up on the list. I don't know how to troubleshoot this
other than by sending test messages. Obviously, if this shows up on the
list, then I'm making progress...
[message 3]
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list, then I'm making progress.
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Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
weeks has shown up on the list. I don't know how to troubleshoot this
other than sending test messages. Obviously, if this shows up on the
list, then I've gotten it to work...
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Today I noticed that nothing I've posted to python-list in past 3
weeks has shown up on the list. I don't know how to troubleshoot this
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list, then I've gotten it to work...
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7; work. Is float.__format__ what's used by
f-strings, the % operator, etc.?
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d decimal places, I doubt str(f) will
meet the need.
I tried monkey-patching the float type's __format__ method, but it's
immutable.
Is float.__format__() what's used by f-strings, the '%' operator, etc.?
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#x27;s __format__ method, but it's
immutable.
Is float.__format__() what's used by f-strings, the '%' operator, etc.?
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return "-"
> return str(f)
Since he's obviously using one of the float formatting mechanisms to
control the number of columsn and decimal places, I doubt str(f) will
meet the need.
I tried monkey-patching the float type's __format__ method, but it's
immutable.
return "-"
> return str(f)
Since he's obviously using one of the float formatting mechanisms to
control the number of columsn and decimal places, I doubt str(f) will
meet the need.
I tried monkey-patching the float type's __format__ method, but it's
immutable.
27; is going to meet the need.
I tried monkey-patching the __format__ method of the 'float' type, but
it's immutable -- so that didn't work.
Is float.__format__() what's used by f-strings, the % operator, etc.?
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s your code.
Except he's obviously using some sort of formatting to control the
number of columns and decimal places, so 'str(f)' is not going to cut
it. Is the basic floating point number formatting functionality seen
when using f-strings or '%' operator part of the float type or is it
part of the f-string and % operator?
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On 2024-01-29, Rich Shepard via Python-list wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024, Rich Shepard via Python-list wrote:
>
>> No, I hadn't ... but I am reading it now.
>
> Perhaps I missed the answer to my question when reading the io module. It
> explains how to open/write/read files of text and binary data
On 2023-12-28, Peter J. Holzer via Python-list wrote:
> On 2023-12-28 05:20:07 +, rbowman via Python-list wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 03:53:42 -0600, Greg Walters wrote:
>> > The biggest caveat is that the shared variable MUST exist before it can
>> > be examined or used (not surprising).
>>
On 2023-12-11, Chris Green via Python-list wrote:
> Is there a way to abbreviate the following code somehow?
>
> lv = {'dev':'bbb', 'input':'1', 'name':'Leisure volts'}
> sv = {'dev':'bbb', 'input':'0', 'name':'Starter volts'}
> la = {'dev':'bbb', 'input':'2', 'name':'Leisure Amps'}
>
On 2023-11-27, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
> On 2023-11-26, Dieter Maurer via Python-list wrote:
>
>> If you do not have this case (e.g. usually if you open the file
>> in a class's `__init__`), you do not use a context manager.
>
> He knows that. The OP wro
On 2023-11-26, Dieter Maurer via Python-list wrote:
> If you do not have this case (e.g. usually if you open the file
> in a class's `__init__`), you do not use a context manager.
He knows that. The OP wrote that he wants to use that can
_only_ be used by a context manager, but he wants that us
On 2023-11-14, Dom Grigonis via Python-list wrote:
>
>> Except the 'any' and 'all' builtins are _exactly_ the same as bitwise
>> or and and applided to many bits. To do something "in line" with that
>> using the 'xor' operator would return True for an odd number of True
>> values and False for an
n line" with that
using the 'xor' operator would return True for an odd number of True
values and False for an even Number of True values.
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On 2023-11-13, Dom Grigonis via Python-list wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I think it could be useful to have `xor` builtin, which has API similar to
> the one of `any` and `all`.
>
> * Also, it could have optional second argument `n=1`, which
> * indicates how many positives indicates `True` return. For
On 2023-11-06, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote:
> On 7/11/23 7:45 am, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>> Continuing with the example, if you have a single phone number field, or
>> let a mobile number be entered in a field marked for landline, you will
>> probably assume you can text to that number.
>
> B
On 2023-11-05, D'Arcy Cain via Python-list wrote:
> On 2023-11-05 00:39, Grant Edwards via Python-list wrote:
>> Definitely. Syntactic e-mail address "validation" is one of the most
>> useless and widely broken things on the Interwebs. People who do
>> any
of the most
useless and widely broken things on the Interwebs. People who do
anything other than require an '@' (and optionally make you enter the
same @-containing string twice) are deluding themselves.
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and would
therefore be "correctly" rejected), but but in practice will work just
fine. I've never spent enough time looking at the RFC to even propose
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On 2023-11-01, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 08:09, Grant Edwards via Python-list
> wrote:
>> Make sure it has an '@' in it. Possibly require at least one '.'
>> after the '@'.
>
> No guarantee that there&#x
On 2023-11-01, Simon Connah via Python-list wrote:
> I'm building a simple project using smtplib and have a
> question. I've been doing unit testing but I'm not sure how to check
> if an email message is valid.
Send an e-mail using it? If the right person gets the e-mail, then
it's valid?
> Us
On 2023-10-25, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> Haven't heard of a python IDE - - - doesn't mean that there isn't such - -
> just that I haven't heard of such. Is there a python IDE?
Seriously? Now you're just trolling.
google.com/search?q=python+ide&am
On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> So how does one test software then?
That's what customers are for!
[Actually, that's true more often than it should be.]
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On 2023-10-24, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote:
> Something less ambitious than a full proof of correctness of an
> arbitrary program can sometimes be achieved. The programming team
> for the Apollo moon mission developed a system which, if you would
> write your requirements in a certain wa
On 2023-10-24, Dan Purgert via Python-list wrote:
> On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor wrote:
>> Greetings
>>
>> (Sorry for a nebulous subject but dunno how to have a short title for
>> a complex question.)
>> [...]
>> Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is
>> supposed to do even
On 2023-10-24, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> Is there a way to verify that a program is going to do what it is
> supposed to do even before all the hardware has been assembled and
> installed and tested?
It depends on what you mean by "verify ...". If you want to prove a
program correct (
t to the list [65,66,67,68] and
sometimes not.
Been there, fell in that hole.
More than a few times. :/
Famous Last Words: "I wasn't expecting to handle strings -- but I
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On 2023-06-21, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 at 02:54, Dan Kolis via Python-list
> wrote:
>>
>> Why do we tolerate this spam ?
>>
>> this seems most likely a way to inject viruses into people's workflow.
>>
>> That wiped out usenet. Ahh without an explaination; ( and
On 2023-05-31, Vishal Chandratreya wrote:
> When an exception occurs, the full path to the file from which it
> originates is displayed, but redundant elements are not removed. For
> instance:
> $ ./python ./foo
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/home/User/cpython/./foo", line 4, in
On 2023-05-26, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
> Grant, I may well buy one of the books you suggested.
I haven't had look at either of the newer books, but I got a lot of
good out of the Grayson book (20 years ago). I also had a Tcl/Tk book
that I found useful even when usng tkin
On 2023-05-26, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2023-05-25, Kevin M. Wilson via Python-list wrote:
>
>> Ok, I'm not finding any info. on the int() for converting a str to
>> an int (that specifies a base parameter)?!
>
> Where are you looking?
>
> https://docs.pyth
On 2023-05-25, Kevin M. Wilson via Python-list wrote:
> Ok, I'm not finding any info. on the int() for converting a str to
> an int (that specifies a base parameter)?!
Where are you looking?
https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#int
> The picture is of the code I've written... And
9149564/dp/1999149564/
https://www.amazon.com/Python-GUI-Programming-Tkinter-user-friendly/dp/1801815925/
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they installed pip for the wrong version of python. [I don't really
get how that happens, but there seem to be a constant stream of
postings from people with that problem.]
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e now very stable) that lack of "activity" is interpreted as
"unpopular" regardless of how many people are using the module.
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nstall something, I always
do a --dry-run first and make a note of any dependancies that pip is
going to try to install -- so I can install those using the package
manager if possible.
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On 2023-05-12, Rob Cliffe via Python-list wrote:
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> Python 3.8.3 (tags/v3.8.3:6f8c832, May 13 2020, 22:20:19) [MSC v.1925 32
> bit (Intel)] on win32
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import tkinter
> >>> tkinter.messagebox
> Traceback (most recent cal
On 2023-05-16, Chris Green wrote:
> Grizzy Adams wrote:
>> Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:26, Alan Gauld wrote:
>> Re: What to use instead of nntplib? (at least in part)
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>> >On 15/05/2023 22:11, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> >> I got a nice warnin
ted out to me that Perl still has a supported NNTP
library. That stung. However, it's a CPAN module, which is more
equivalent to PyPI than to the standard library, so I guess that it
isn't as bad a loss of face as I feared.
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