recall hearing anyone
else ever mention.
On Jun 7, 10:24 am, Sam Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Salerno wrote:
> > "Dave Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On May 20, 7:05 pm, Collin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
he page every few seconds.
On Jun 11, 10:43 pm, Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:36:59 -0700 (PDT), Dave Parker
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> declaimed the following in
> comp.lang.python:
>
> > Yes you can. I don't know how to
On Jun 11, 7:59 am, Lie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can't make the browser refresh automatically in the server side,
Yes you can. I don't know how to do it in Python, but here's an
example in Flaming Thunder of a small, fast, light compiled server
side CGI that delivers dynamic content every
w up and running
under Windows. Check out the News and Docs at http://www.flamingthunder.com/
On Jun 5, 7:57 am, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:43 AM, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Dave Parker" <[EMAIL PRO
Dan Upton wrote:
> I just think if you're shooting for an easily understandable
> language, overloading error handling requires more thought on the
> programmer's part, not less, because they have to reason about all
> outcomes
Duncan Booth wrote:
> Maybe FT should do something similar:
>Write
On May 28, 3:19 pm, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Kind of like how this year's program won't work on next year's
> > Python?
>
> For somebody who has admitted to have only very rudimentary knowledge of
> python that's a pretty bold statement, don't you think?
Everthing I know,
On May 28, 12:48 pm, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> there's no reason "set" itself
> should throw any sort of error in the sense of an exception--in a
> statement like "Set x to SomeFunctionThatCanBlowUp()", the semantics
> should clearly be that the error comes from the function. In a s
On May 28, 12:09 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Following your posts in this thread, I see that
> you 'plan to add soon' every cool feature that every other language seems to
> have.
I've already added a lot of them. For example, loops that don't need
looping variables:
For 10
r,
I really appreciate your comments because maybe I'll make fewer
errors. Or at least, correct them faster.
On May 28, 7:52 am, Duncan Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Catch also gives you a
> > single, uniform, syntact
learned something new. Thanks.
On May 22, 9:30 am, Nick Craig-Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But after getting input from children and teachers, etc, it started
> > feeling right.
>
> > For example, consider the
en go to tinyanswer.
On May 22, 4:19 pm, Brian Quinlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Parker wrote:
> >> Or just:
>
> >> If command is "quit" ...
>
> > Hmmm. In Flaming Thunder, I'm using "is" (and "is an", "is a&quo
On May 21, 7:01 pm, Carl Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The crucial thing is not to slow down the calculations with useless
> bells and whistles.
Are you running your simulations on a system that does or does not
support the "useless bell and whistle" of correct rounding? If not,
how do you p
On May 21, 7:49 pm, MRAB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've thought of one possible drawback: "a" and "an" can be used as
> variables, so the "is a" part might cause a problem. You'd need to
> check the parser to find out...
Good point, I hadn't noticed that. I'll check it out.
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On May 21, 4:21 pm, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which is exactly what the python decimal module does.
Thank you (and Jerry Hill) for pointing that out. If I want to check
Flaming Thunder's results against an independent program, I'll know to
use Python with the decimal module.
On May 21, 3:41 pm, "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When told why you got different results (an answer you
> probably already knew, if you know enough about IEEE to do the
> auto-conversion you alluded to) ...
Of course I know a lot about IEEE, but you are assuming that I also
know a l
On May 21, 3:19 pm, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The fact is, sometimes it's better to get it fast and be good enough,
> where you can use whatever methods you want to deal with rounding
> error accumulation.
I agree.
I also think that the precision/speed tradeoff should be under user
On May 21, 3:17 pm, "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you're going to use every post and question about Python as an
> opportunity to pimp your own pet language you're going irritate even
> more people than you have already.
Actually, I've only posted on 2 threads that were questions
On May 21, 2:44 pm, "Jerry Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My understand is no, not if you're using IEEE floating point.
Yes, that would explain it. I assumed that Python automatically
switched from hardware floating point to multi-precision floating
point so that the user is guaranteed to al
On May 21, 12:38 pm, Mark Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> a+0.999 # gives expected result
> 9998.0
> >>> a+0. # doesn't round correctly.
>
> 1.0
Shouldn't both of them give .0?
I wrote the same program under Flaming Thunder:
On May 21, 1:29 pm, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... --somewhat akin to the
> guy who a month or so ago wanted to sneakily teach his high school
> class programming fundamentals by teaching them game programming.
Yep, that's kind of my plan, too. After I get enough "computer
language
On May 21, 1:14 pm, MRAB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder whether "is" could be used both for "x is value" and "x is a
> type" without causing a problem:
>
> If command is a string ...
>
> If command is "quit" ...
I think you are right. I like "If command is "quit" ...". For a user
who wasn
On May 21, 10:00 am, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sounds to me like the teacher is being difficult, ...
No, proof-by-contradiction is a common technique in math. If you can
show that x=8 and x=10, then you have shown that your assumptions were
incorrect.
> If you can't do, or don't
On May 20, 7:05 pm, Collin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, FT is a bit meh to me. The way you issue your statements I
> always think something is wrong, mainly because when I want to define,
> say, x, in python I'd go:
>
> x = "whatever"
>
> Instantly noting that I defined x. While in Fla
nd "is" (identity) in Python).
On May 20, 3:41 pm, MRAB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 20, 4:33 am, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 14, 7:59 pm, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Would it be valid to sa
suggesting it.
On May 20, 3:40 pm, MRAB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 20, 4:20 am, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Plus, me getting paid to work on Flaming Thunder is far more
> &g
On May 14, 7:59 pm, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would it be valid to say:
>
> x = "concrete"
>
> or to say:
>
> if command (is) set to "quit"
>
> ??
I like the idea of:
If command is set to "quit" ...
I've added it to my list of things to think about, and possibly
implement.
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On May 13, 11:42 am, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, python will definitely never have a name that sounds like
> a slang term for happens after you get food poisioning at a
> Thai restaurant...
:)
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> > I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Plus, me getting paid to work on Flaming Thunder is far more
> > motivating than me not getting paid to work on Python.
> On May 14, 8:30 pm, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's truly disappointing.
I guess I could have stated that better. Flamin
Your point about for-loops was applicable not only to Python, but to
many other programming languages. So in response, I've added two new
for-loop variations to Flaming Thunder.
The two new variations are for-forever-do and for-expression-times-do.
For-forever allows you to explicitly create infi
Time for me to get back to work now. Thank you all for your comments,
they will help to make Flaming Thunder a better product. I can see
that many people would like the ability to link to existing
applications and libraries, etc, so I will raise that on my priority
list.
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]>
wrote:
> You sound like a commercial. Is this your way of attracting costumers of FT?
>
> 2008/5/13 Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > > 5-10 times faster for what kind of code?
>
> > Mostly numerical analysis and CGI scripting. All of Flaming Thunder&#
e". Flaming Thunder doesn't place any restrictions
on how you use your source code or the executables you create. There
is no GNU license that you need to worry about.
On May 13, 11:06 am, hdante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 13, 12:24 pm, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED
> Just to support this statement: PHP runs an order of magnitude slower than
> python. Yet a great deal (if not the majority) of dynamic sites out there
> run under PHP. All of these are unhappy customers?
The websites owners might not be unhappy, but lots of customers
complain about slow websites
> Who has conducted the research that supports that statement? And since when
> is ^ the better operator for "to the power of" that **? Because latex uses
> it? I need to see the elementary school students who use that...
All of the calculators and textbooks that elementary school students
use, us
statements avoid the confusion of multiple equal signs when
manipulating symbolic equations:
Set QuadraticEquation to a*x^2 + b*x + c = 0.
On May 13, 9:50 am, "Dan Upton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Dave Parker
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g
> 5-10 times faster for what kind of code?
Mostly numerical analysis and CGI scripting. All of Flaming Thunder's
library code is in assembly language, and Flaming Thunder creates
statically-linked pure syscall CGI scripts.
> I don't see anything that resembles OO features of python, ...
True.
t; wrote:
> On May 13, 10:58 am, Paul McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 13, 8:32 am, Dave Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Don't let yourself be irritated by castironpi
>
> > > I'm not the sort to
On May 13, 7:44 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am not convinced that the colorspace occupies three dimensions necessarily.
Apparently there are some people -- called tetrachromats -- who can
see color in four dimensions. They have extra sets of cones in their
retinas containing a different phot
allows people to tell a computer what they
want it to do, without having to know very much about how the computer
does it.
On May 13, 3:18 am, "Diez B. Roggisch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Parker wrote:
> > On May 12, 7:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>Ye
On May 12, 11:52 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I do hold an argument that one can make too much money for one's own
> good quality of life.
As do I; I think there is an optimal amount. Too little, and you
waste time gathering food. Too much, and you waste time gathering
money.
> Am I trying to
> REXX's loop construct subsumes all the common uses... And worse, it
> appears that a repetition and a condition can be part of the single
> statement.
Thank you for pointing out the REXX examples. I am a Kedit user, but
had forgotten about the REXX do-loops. I'll keep them in mind when
On May 12, 7:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yes, I am trying to visualize something.
If it is related to making furniture comfortable for humans, have you
considered painting the furniture with thermochromic paint (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermochromism )? It changes color in
response to
On May 12, 7:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Mine's been always messing up the color wheel.
Messing up in what way? Are you using the colors to visualize
something?
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On May 12, 6:32 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Can you render some furniture for me... to try to see some human
> posture to lowest energy levels.
I couldn't find any furniture created using DPGraph, but the math art
gallery at http://www.dpgraph.com/math-art.html has a sailboat, an
F15, Tux (the
On May 12, 6:32 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Can you render some furniture for me... to try to see some human
> posture to lowest energy levels.
Not yet; Flaming Thunder doesn't have built-in graphics yet. But
we're incorporating the graphics from www.dpgraph.com , so when that's
finished, then
On May 10, 8:19 pm, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems somewhat
> artificial to use the for loop to do something a certain number of
> times, like above.
I agree; it's a common flaw with lots of languages, not just Python.
I'd be inclined to use something like:
FOR 8 TIMES DO .
I've read that one of the design goals of Python was to create an easy-
to-use English-like language. That's also one of the design goals of
Flaming Thunder at http://www.flamingthunder.com/ , which has proven
easy enough for even elementary school students, even though it is
designed for scienti
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