I’m not looking through all the packages you have installed
What version of python is installed on your system?
On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 5:24 AM o1bigtenor wrote:
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>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:36 PM Bill Deegan
> wrote:
>
>> why reply to me instead of to the li
why reply to me instead of to the list?
It's generally considered bad form to do so.
Do you have any python 3 installed on your system?
Or python 2.7?
If not, can you install such via system package?
-Bill
On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 6:06 PM o1bigtenor wrote:
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>
> On Mon, Au
Did Mats suggestion of:
python3.13 -m venv new_venv
$ new_venv/bin/python --version
Python 3.13.0b4
$ source new_venv/bin/activate
Not work?
That should work on any system, with any system installl python.
It's not trying to modify the system installed python in anyway...
If not, please paste the
Your approach is wrong.
You don't build python from source using pip.
You don't install new versions of python into a venv either.
Have you read the following?
https://docs.micropython.org/en/latest/esp8266/tutorial/intro.html
That seems to have instructions for what you want to d
Usage: grocli check|add|delete [-u USERS ...]
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Force alwa
27;'
import re
pat = re.compile(r'^([\'"])(.*)(\1)$')
slast = None
while slast != s:
slast = s
s = pat.cub(r'\2', s)
return s
# end stripquotes(s)
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A new SCons release, 4.0.1, is now available
on the SCons download page:
https://scons.org/pages/download.html
Here is a summary of the changes since 4.0.1:
NEW FUNCTIONALITY
- Added Environment() variable TEMPFILEDIR which allows setting the
directory which temp
fil
equivalent is attr_get() which gets the current
>attributes.
I haven't looked for it.
...
>Is anyone other than me still even using Python curses? :-)
Raises hand.
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ng methods I use today have their roots in
doing a lot of scientific programming in ALGOL on the B-5500,
then in BPL (Burroughs Programming Language) on Burroughs Medium
Systems, B-2500->B-4500.
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Glad that helped!
Big thanks to Mats Wichmann for that one!
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 10:41 AM Eric Fahlgren
wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 7:02 PM Bill Deegan
> wrote:
>
>> - EXPERIMENTAL NEW FEATURE: Enable caching MSVC configuration
>> If SCONS_CACHE_MSVC_CON
A new SCons checkpoint release, 3.1.2, is now available
on the SCons download page:
https://scons.org/pages/download.html
Here is a summary of the changes since 3.1.1:
NOTE: The 4.0.0 Release of SCons will drop Python 2.7 Support
NEW FUNCTIONALITY
- Added debug option "a
On Sat, Dec 07, 2019, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>As an aside, to prevent vim from inserting tabs in the first place, set
>expandtab
>sw=4
>and maybe also
>ts=4
Inserting a comment in the file like this makes thing easy.
# vim: expandtab sw=4 ts=4 nows wm=0
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On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:04 PM Grant Edwards
wrote:
> On 2019-11-11, Rhodri James wrote:
> >> I'm sure it's possible to write Makefiles that work with both GNU make
> >> and NMake, but I imagine it's a rather limiting and thankless
> enterprise.
> >>
> >
You might just consider working with the BuildBot project to add support
for lighter weight build workers.
Re-Re-Re-inventing the wheel is almost always wasted effort.
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 8:33 AM Rhodri James wrote:
> On 08/10/2019 11:22, Simon Connah wrote:
> > I'm posting this message as a
1) == 1
-(-1)
-1.bit_length()
-1.denominator
abs(-1)
>>> methodfinder.find(1,2) == 3
1+2
1^2
1|2
2+1
2^1
2|1
>>> methodfinder.find(1,1) == 1
1&1
1**1
1*1
1.__class__(1)
1.denominator
1.numerator
1.real
1//1
1|1
math.gcd(1, 1)
max(1, 1)
min(1, 1)
pow(1, 1)
round(1, 1)
>>> methodfinder.find([1,2], '__iter__') == True
hasattr([1, 2], '__iter__')
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SCons - a software construction tool
What is SCons?
SCons is an Open Source software construction tool—that is, a
next-generation build tool. Think of SCons as an improved, cross-platform
substitute for the classic Make utility with integrated functionality
similar to autoconf/au
A new SCons checkpoint release, 3.1.0, is now available
on the SCons download page:
https://scons.org/pages/download.html
SCons is an Open Source software construction tool—that is, a
next-generation build tool. Think of SCons as an improved, cross-platform
substitute for the classic
you must be picking up pip from a different python installl (or virtualenv)
than you are picking up python.
Check your %PATH%
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:29 AM Malcolm Greene wrote:
> 64-bit Python 3.6.8 running on Windows with a virtual environment
> activated.
>
> "pip -v" reports 19.0.3
> "pyth
A new SCons release, 3.0.5, is now available on the SCons download page:
https://scons.org/pages/download.html
And via pypi:
pip install scons
SCons is a tool for building software (and other files). SCons is
implemented in Python, and its "configuration files" are actually Pyth
arators plus some other platform specific logic?
See os.path.join
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nicely with the ConfigParser
libraries.
>3. File location? I'm using Ubuntu and I believe that the correct location
>would be home/.config/ . What about Mac and Windows?
See above. Same for Mac. I don't do Windows.
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A new SCons release, 3.0.4, is now available
on the SCons download page:
http://www.scons.org/download.php
Or via pypi:
pip install scons
Here is a summary of the changes since 3.0.3:
NEW FUNCTIONALITY
- Added TEMPFILESUFFIX to allow user to specify suffix for
A new SCons release, 3.0.3, is now available on the SCons download page:
https://scons.org/pages/download.html
Here is a summary of the changes since 3.0.1:
NEW FUNCTIONALITY
- Properly support versioned shared libraries for MacOS. We've also
introduced two
new env v
A new SCons release, 3.0.2, is now available on the SCons download page:
https://scons.org/pages/download.html
Here is a summary of the changes since 3.0.1:
NEW FUNCTIONALITY
- Properly support versioned shared libraries for MacOS. We've also
introduced two
new env va
return str(f.read().strip())*
This command should get the gateway IP.
Linux: cmd = "ip route list | awk '/^default/{print $3}'"
or perhaps
Linux: cmd = "netstat -rn | awk '/^0.0.0.0/{print $2}'"
OSX: cmd = "netstat -rn | awk '/^default/{print $2}&#x
I also got such.
I'm guessing your track record of searches has flagged you as someone they
might want to hire.
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:36 AM, Steven D'Aprano <
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:31:35 -0400, Travis McGee wrote:
>
> > I somehow managed to trig
Greetings,
I'm doing some refactoring on a fairly large python codebase.
Some of the files are > 4000 lines long and contain many classes.
Should I expect any performance hit from splitting some of the classes out
to other files?
Thanks,
Bill
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Is it possible to get the release notes included on the download page(s)?
On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:35 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> Simple. I misread "latest" for "last" and was hopeful that no new bugs
> would need to be fixed between now and 2020. I will post a correction on
> Twitter now.
>
back up for me.
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Mark Lawrence
wrote:
> On 30/04/18 19:17, Paul Moore wrote:
>
>> It's working for me now.
>> Paul
>>
>> On 30 April 2018 at 18:38, Jorge Gimeno wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure who to report to, but the site comes back with a 503. Anyone
>>> know
>>> where
Still 502 for me.
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
> It's working for me now.
> Paul
>
> On 30 April 2018 at 18:38, Jorge Gimeno wrote:
> > Not sure who to report to, but the site comes back with a 503. Anyone
> know
> > where I can direct this to?
> >
> > -Jorge L. Gimeno
> >
Ditto. I see a 502.
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Jorge Gimeno wrote:
> Not sure who to report to, but the site comes back with a 503. Anyone know
> where I can direct this to?
>
> -Jorge L. Gimeno
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You need a good lesson in "program documentation". Your code
looks terrible--really!
fifii.ge...@gmail.com wrote:
class AiMove:
def __init__(self):
self.x = -1
self.y=-1
self.score = 0
def Imprimir(Matriz,n):
for i in range(n):
Re color.
Would the python.org background color (which is darker) work?
To my eyes the background on pypi looks like the highlight color on
python.org
(I've said this earlier, but just curious if that's what others see as well)
On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:33 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 03/29/201
The back ground blue on the pypi page is the highlight blue on the
python.org page, they should change the color to match to background
python.org color.
-Bill
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:50 AM, Steven D'Aprano <
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018
Dan Sommers wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 04:08:30 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Explain the difference between these two triple-quoted strings:
But remove the spaces, and two of the quotation marks disappear:
py> """\""
'"'
That's (a) a triple quoted string containing a single escaped q
boB Stepp wrote:
This article is written by Nathan Murthy, a staff software engineer at
Tesla. The article is found at:
https://medium.com/@natemurthy/all-the-things-i-hate-about-python-5c5ff5fda95e
Apparently he chose his article title as "click bait". Apparently he
does not really hate Pytho
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:37 am, Bill wrote:
namenobodywa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:28:39 PM UTC-8, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
Does this have anything specifically to do with Python programming?
i'm working on a game-playing script
namenobodywa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:28:39 PM UTC-8, Steve D'Aprano wrote:
Does this have anything specifically to do with Python programming?
i'm working on a game-playing script (ie: in python), i want to incorporate
pruning into my search algorithm, and i'd l
bob gailer wrote:
Has any thought been given to adding elif to the for statement?
I don't think it is a good idea because it needlessly, from my point of
view, embeds too much complexity into a single construct (making it more
difficult to maintain, for instance). That's what language designe
. ; )The point of college is
more about teaching students to think rather than in being efficient. I
have little doubt that a tech school could "get through everything" much
faster.
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Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Bill wrote:
I think we are talking about the same people.
But in college, the prerequisite of "at least co-enrolled in pre-calc",
turned out to be the right one (based upon quite a lot of teaching
experience).
Fortunate
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Bill wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
I don't know about vtables as needing to be in ANY programming course.
They're part of a "let's dive into the internals
Chris Angelico wrote:
I agree with some of that, but you then take it to absurdity. You most
certainly CAN drive a car without knowing how one works; in fact, with
this century's cars, I think that's very much the case. How many
people REALLY know what happens when you push the accelerator pedal
Chris Angelico wrote:
I don't know about vtables as needing to be in ANY programming course.
They're part of a "let's dive into the internals of C++" course. You
certainly don't need them to understand how things work in Python,
because they don't exist; and I'm doubtful that you need to explain
Chris Angelico wrote:
I don't know about vtables as needing to be in ANY programming course.
They're part of a "let's dive into the internals of C++" course. You
certainly don't need them to understand how things work in Python,
because they don't exist; and I'm doubtful that you need to explain
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Bill wrote:
Larry Martell wrote:
So, your experience is that the style of learning you offer is
unsuitable to anyone who doesn't have some background in algebra.
That's fine. For your course, you set the prereqs. But that'
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Bill wrote:
The point is that it takes a certain amount of what is referred to as
"mathematical maturity" (not mathematical knowledge) to digest a book
concerning computer programming.
Emphasis on *a book*.
In my years o
Gregory Ewing wrote:
Bill wrote:
In my years of teaching experience, students who came to college
without the equivalent of "college algebra" were under-prepared for
what was expected of them.
This could be simply because it weeds out people who aren't
good at the required st
Larry Martell wrote:
So, your experience is that the style of learning you offer is
unsuitable to anyone who doesn't have some background in algebra.
That's fine. For your course, you set the prereqs. But that's not the
only way for someone to get into coding. You do NOT have to go to
college be
Rustom Mody wrote:
In response to
Rustom Mody wrote:
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 9:45:17 AM UTC+5:30, Bill wrote:
so it really doesn't make that much difference where one starts, just
"Do It!". : )
Really ¿?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_learning#Prim
Gregory Ewing wrote:
Bill wrote:
In my experience, if they do not have the basic (~pre-calc) math
behind them, then learning from a textbook on a programming language,
say, may be a bit beyond them.
Very little mathematical *knowledge* is needed to get started
with programming. You can do a
Rustom Mody (Rustom Mody) wrote:
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 9:45:17 AM UTC+5:30, Bill wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Bill wrote:
Varun R wrote:
Hi All,
I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
programming language,.
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Bill wrote:
Varun R wrote:
Hi All,
I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
programming language,...plz suggest some books also.
Thanks all
Are you sure you want to learn Python first?
Python
Varun R wrote:
Hi All,
I'm new to programming, can anyone guide me, how to start learning python
programming language,...plz suggest some books also.
Thanks all
Are you sure you want to learn Python first?
Python does enough things "behind the scene"
that it makes me question the wisdom of t
sooner I start doing that, the sooner my debugging
session is over. Good luck!
Bill
As you can see, I tried using globals in order use variables from previous
classes, but nothing has worked. For this specific approach, no error message
popped up, but nothing happened either. Thanks so muc
I think carelessness in choosing variable names may be at the root of
the problem.
nick.martin...@aol.com wrote:
I have a question on my homework. My homework is to write a program in which
the computer simulates the rolling of a die 50
times and then prints
(i). the most frequent side of the
John Pote wrote:
Hi all,
I have successfully used Python to perform unit and integration tests
in the past and I'd like to do the same for some C modules I'm working
with at work. There seem to be a number of ways of doing this but
being busy at work and home I looking for the approach with th
subhendu.pand...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Could you please help me with the below if possible:
Possible and reasonable are two different things. Why don't you try
some web searches and try to answer some of your own questions. I offer
this advice as a Python newbe myself.
Bill
1.
Fabien wrote:
On 10/25/2017 03:07 PM, Thomas Jollans wrote:
What options are there for Python (that work)?
PyCharm's debugger is fine (also available in the community edition)
+1
Cheers,
Fabien
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f scope, nothing points to that newly created object
and it gets lost.
The problem and both solutions are great! Thanks for posting!
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Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Grant Edwards :
I like [const qualifiers] in C because it allows the linker to place
them in ROM with the code. It also _sometimes_ provides useful
diagnostics when you pass a pointer to something which shouldn't be
modified to something that is going to try to modify it.
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2017-10-11, Bill wrote:
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2017-10-11, Bill wrote:
[...] I'm not here to "cast stones", I like Python. I just think
that you shouldn't cast stones at C/C++.
Not while PHP exists. There aren't enough stones in the wor
Mikhail V wrote:
[...] I'm not here to "cast stones", I like Python. I just think
that you shouldn't cast stones at C/C++.
Not while PHP exists. There aren't enough stones in the world...
PHP seems (seemed?) popular for laying out web pages. Are their vastly
superior options?
Python? Superi
Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2017-10-11, Bill wrote:
[...] I'm not here to "cast stones", I like Python. I just think
that you shouldn't cast stones at C/C++.
Not while PHP exists. There aren't enough stones in the world...
PHP seems (seemed?) popular for laying
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:48:26 -0400, Bill
declaimed the following:
cast stones at C/C++. People started programming in C in the late 70's,
and before that some were programming in B ("B Programming Language"),
Preceded by BCPL (which leads t
ou still need folks who can encode
data structures and write device drivers, from scratch. And "woe" if
you need performance, such as applications involving AI.
Cheers,
Bill
But even if it were the best language in the world, and Stroustrup the
greatest language designer in the
rankings on
Amazon.com. That doesn't mean that either of them is right for
everybody. Come back to Stroustrup's book "after" you learn C++
somewhere else, and maybe you'll enjoy it more.
Bill
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Fetchinson . wrote:
Hi folks,
I have a rather simple program which cycles through a bunch of files,
does some operation on them, and then quits. There are 500 files
involved and each operation takes about 5-10 MB of memory. As you'll
see I tried to make every attempt at removing everything at th
Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
That's good advice, but it's not all that dangerous to express off-topic
statements in this newsgroup.
It may not be "dangerous", but I find it a little annoying. I wasn't
going to say anything, but now you are bringing it up explicitly.
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n shown so far.
As long as I have two teachers here, which textbooks are you using? I am
hoping to teach a college course in Python next fall.
Thanks,
Bill
The basic course may already and there after about 12 - 18 hours.
(This time includes many exercises in the classroom.)
B
Stefan Ram wrote:
One might wish to implement a small language with these commands:
Explain why. What is the advantage?
F - move forward
B - move backward
L - larger stepsize
S - smaller stepsize
. One could start with the following pseudocode for a dictionary:
{ 'F': lambda: myturtl
Leam Hall wrote:
A while back I pointed out some challenges for the Python community's
intake of new coders. Mostly focusing on IRC and the Python e-mail list.
What is the Python e-mail list?
Thanks,
Bill
Several people have stepped up their "welcome" game and I've
Stefan Ram wrote:
Is this the best way to write a "loop and a half" in Python?
Is your goal brevity or clarity, or something else (for instance, what
does the code written by the other members of your "team" look
like--woudn't it be nice if it matched)?
Bill
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:51 am, Bill wrote:
Can you inspire me with a good decorator problem (standard homework
exercise-level will be fine)?
Here is a nice even dozen problems for you. Please ask for clarification if any
are unclear.
Thank you for sharing the pro
Bill wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
Decorators are fairly straight-forward if you understand higher-order
functions.
ChrisA
I was just minding my own business, and thought to write my first
decorator for a simple *recursive* function f. The decorator WORKS if
f does not make a call to
eason I might do that yet (first things first... ).
Thanks!
Bill
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Steve D'Aprano wrote:
There's no need to set the radius and the diameter, as one is completely derived
from the other
Good point; I'm glad I submitted my code for grading. Sort of a "trick
question" to ask me to add diameter and then take off points becaus
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 6:23 AM, Larry Hudson via Python-list
wrote:
On 10/01/2017 03:52 PM, Bill wrote:
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
The definitive explanation of descriptors is here:
https://docs.python.org/3/howto/descriptor.html
Thank you! It is next on my list.
n exercise :-)
It WAS a good exercise!! I was concerned about "infinite recursion"
between my two property setters.. Thanks! Next? :)
Bill
import math
class Circle(object):
""" Define a circle class with radius and diameter""" def __i
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
The definitive explanation of descriptors is here:
https://docs.python.org/3/howto/descriptor.html
Thank you! It is next on my list. Then I'll try that Circle problem
you mentioned as an exercise last night! I don't expect run into any
difficulties. : )
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Stephan Houben wrote:
Op 2017-10-01, Bill schreef :
I watched an example on YouTube where someone wrote a simple descriptor
("@Time_it) to output the amount of time that it took ordinary functions
to complete.To be honest, I AM interested in descriptors.
Are you sure you are not conf
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 05:46 pm, Bill wrote:
If you were going to show non-Python users, say science undergraduates
and faculty, that Python is an interesting tool (in 45 minutes), would
one delve into descriptors?
Hell no :-)
Oops, I see I used the word "descript
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
[1] Technically, the interpreter knows nothing about properties. What it cares
about is *descriptors*. Properties are just one kind of descriptor, as are
methods. But I'm intentionally not talking about the gory details of
descriptors. Feel free to ask if you care, but hone
u think are good, I would
be interested.
Thanks,
Bill
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Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 9/30/17 7:18 PM, Bill wrote:
Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 9/30/17 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:
I spent a few hours experimenting with @property. To my mind it
seems like it would be preferable to just define (override)
instance methods __get__(), __set__(), and possibly __del__
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 08:47 am, Bill wrote:
I spent a few hours experimenting with @property. To my mind it seems
like it would be preferable to just define (override) instance methods
__get__(), __set__(), and possibly __del__(), as desired, as I could
easily provide
Ned Batchelder wrote:
On 9/30/17 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:
I spent a few hours experimenting with @property. To my mind it seems
like it would be preferable to just define (override) instance
methods __get__(), __set__(), and possibly __del__(), as desired, as
I could easily provide them with
I spent a few hours experimenting with @property. To my mind it seems
like it would be preferable to just define (override) instance methods
__get__(), __set__(), and possibly __del__(), as desired, as I could
easily provide them with "ideal" customization. Am I overlooking somethi
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:42 AM, Steve D'Aprano
wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to make a (moderate) defense of a kind of "bug fixing by random
perturbation". Obviously making unrelated, arbitrary changes to code is bad.
But making non-arbitrary but not fully understood changes to
Stefan Ram wrote:
The customer pays for the solution. The software
manufacturer does the refactoring for it's own sake,
because when it's a longer running project, the
refactorings will pay for themself.
The customer owns the source code (at least where I was). YMMV
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Steve D'Aprano wrote:
(say). Reading error messages is a skill that must be learned, even in Python.
Let alone (say) gcc error messages, which are baroque to an extreme. The other
day I was getting an error like:
/tmp/ccchKJVU.o: In function `__static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int,
int)'
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 03:56 pm, Bill wrote:
I worked in maintenance programming. You got the hand you were dealt!
And you weren't allowed to "improve" the code unless the customer
contracted you to do so.
How do you tell the difference between a
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Bill wrote:
Chris Angelico wrote:
Be careful with this one. For anything other than trivial errors (and
even for some trivial errors), finding the bug is basically searching
through a problem space of all things that could potentially
Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Bill wrote:
Paul Moore wrote:
On 27 September 2017 at 17:41, leam hall wrote:
Hehe...I've been trying to figure out how to phrase a question. Knowing
I'm
not the only one who gets frustrated really helps.
I'm trying t
Paul Moore wrote:
On 27 September 2017 at 17:41, leam hall wrote:
Hehe...I've been trying to figure out how to phrase a question. Knowing I'm
not the only one who gets frustrated really helps.
I'm trying to learn to be a programmer. I can look at a book and read basic
code in a few languages b
Steve D'Aprano wrote:
Similarly for break and continue.
I can still see their
use causing potential trouble in (really-long) real-world code.
How so?
Besides, if your code is "really long", you probably should factorise it into
smaller, meaningful chunks.
I worked in maintenance programm
Thank you for all of the feedback provided! It was just what I was
looking for. : )
I'm going to go back and read some of the links more carefully.
Bill
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"--but that was a while back. I can still see their
use causing potential trouble in (really-long) real-world code.
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Steve D'Aprano wrote:
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 02:03 am, Stefan Ram wrote:
Steve D'Aprano writes:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 03:26 am, Antoon Pardon wrote:
at that moment, but it still needed correction. If the assignment is
an alias operator then after the statements
Here's some C++ code that demonstr
Tim Golden wrote:
On 25/09/2017 20:40, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Rhodri James :
On 25/09/17 15:26, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
That's not what I said. I said all expressions *evaluate to* pointers.
This may well be true in particular implementations, but it is an
implementation detail so Chris' point
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