Barry Warsaw giving Python talk at NASA

2006-11-07 Thread A.M. Kuchling
This is at the Goddard campus: --amk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

PyCon: proposals due by Tuesday 10/31

2006-10-29 Thread A.M. Kuchling
Final reminder: if you want to submit a proposal to PyCon, you should do it by end of Tuesday, October 31st. for more info The deadline for tutorials is November 15th: http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/CallForTutorials PyCon is the Python community confere

Re: OT: What's up with the starship?

2006-10-17 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:50:03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > suggests that it was sufficiently obscure that either a) nobody who knew > about it found a way to take advantage of it, or b) it was only recently It might well be difficult to exploit to run arbitrary cod

Re: Python to use a non open source bug tracker?

2006-10-09 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 9 Oct 2006 06:36:30 -0700, Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... Meanwhile, despite the python.org codebase presumably running > various commercial sites, ... Nothing should have given you this impression! python.org's formatting is handled through a custom script called Pyram

Re: Python to use a non open source bug tracker?

2006-10-04 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 04 Oct 2006 06:44:24 -0700, Paul Rubin <> wrote: > Right now there is not even agreement on what the goal is. The goal is a new tracker for python.org that the developers like better; the original call lists 3 reasons (bad interface; lack of reliability; lack of workflow controls).

Re: Python to use a non open source bug tracker?

2006-10-04 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:37:47 GMT, Giovanni Bajo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am seriously concerned > that the PSF infrastructure committee EVER considered non open-source > applications for this. In fact, I thought that was an implicit requirement in > the selection. Being open source

Re: Python to use a non open source bug tracker?

2006-10-03 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:19:10 GMT, Giovanni Bajo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... using a non open source tracker (called JIRA - never heard > before of course) for Python itself. Other projects do use it; see for a partial list, and a link to th

Re: The Python world tries to be polite [formerly offensive to another language]

2006-09-30 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:10:14 +0100, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My God, Perl 6 is going to be even less comprehensible that Perl 5, > which was at least usable. Is »=>« really a Perl6 operator? That's too > funny! While we poor Python people have to cope with writing:

Re: Pythondocs.info : collaborative Python documentation project

2006-09-17 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:10:51 +0200, Daniel Nogradi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > start a new one. What would be very useful though is more visible > links on the python.org site to the activestate repository where > appropriate. I'm not sure the pyhon.org people would want to promote > acti

Re: Is it just me, or is Sqlite3 goofy?

2006-09-12 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:54:25 -0500, A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Any new changes won't get in 2.5c2, which should be > released tomorrow, but will get into 2.5final if the fixes are made by > about the 17th.) And in fact the formatted development versio

Re: Is it just me, or is Sqlite3 goofy?

2006-09-12 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 12 Sep 2006 13:03:09 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, I appologize for saying that. Got a little carried away > by the flames. Apology accepted; no problem. > That and fixing the broken examples. That's also done. I fixed the executescript.py example, and tr

Re: Is it just me, or is Sqlite3 goofy?

2006-09-12 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 12 Sep 2006 10:24:00 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, knowing that, would you agree that > > > If switching to a larger database such as PostgreSQL or Oracle > is later necessary, the switch should be relatively easy. > > > is misleading if not outright untrut

Re: Clarify Regex in Python.

2006-09-12 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 12 Sep 2006 05:07:03 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My Problem is, I want to know how can I force match functions to match > the pattern any location in the subject. i.e I want to turn off before > said behaviour. Use search() instead; that's why the method is th

Re: Is it just me, or is Sqlite3 goofy?

2006-09-08 Thread A.M. Kuchling
I've made the following edits: Index: whatsnew25.tex === --- whatsnew25.tex (revision 51828) +++ whatsnew25.tex (working copy) @@ -2116,14 +2116,16 @@ SQLite embedded database, has been added to the standard library under

Re: Where are the source files for the Python FAQs?

2006-09-07 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 04:43:38 GMT, Eriol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Kuhlman wrote: > >> Can someone tell me the location of the reST source files for the >> Python FAQs.  I have not been able to find them. > > https://svn.python.org/www/trunk/pydotorg/doc/faq/ Caution: I intend t

Re: How ahead are you guys in the (Python) real world?

2006-08-29 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 28 Aug 2006 20:13:54 -0700, Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since I haven't used Python at work, I am using Python 2.5 right now. > However I wonder, how fast are you guys moving from version to version > at work? At our company, we build a product on top of Debian (product line 1) o

Re: EuroPython 2006 and Py3.0

2006-07-14 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:45:07 +0200, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> This attitude may have some downsides. The Python developers don't know >> everything, other people can have some experience of computer languages >> too. > > "some experience of

Re: Swaying A Coder Away From Python

2006-05-05 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 4 May 2006 13:08:52 +0200, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > who's this, and why does he think that sampling some random comments by > some random bloggers should mean anything to anyone ? (and why do you > seem to think that this matters, btw ?) Michal Wallace, the orig

Re: proposed Python logo

2006-04-21 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 21 Apr 2006 09:17:52 -0700, BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I'd like some variation of used as a logo. > That has real potential, but I bet it's trademarked. It's taken from a Renaissance painting (http://witcombe.sbc.edu/davincicode/bronzino

Re: [OT] Any Python lullabies?

2006-04-18 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:07:27 -0500, Tim Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> [horse for horse in horses if horse.pretty] I'm familiar with this one as: all(pony for pony in ponies if pony.pretty). Never knew there was a version with "horse", not "pony". Jane Siberry does a nice rendit

Re: Cheese Shop: some history for the new-comers

2006-03-14 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:25:19 +0100, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and while you're at it, change "python-dev" to "developers" and > "psf" to "foundation" (or use a title on that link). I've changed the PSF link, but am not sure what to do about the python-dev link. As others

Re: Cheese Shop: some history for the new-comers

2006-03-11 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:50:26 +1100, richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I did what people always do in this situation, I asked Barry Warsaw to > name. it. And he did, "Cheese Shop". I liked the name, so it was done. When > the new pydotorg machines went live last year, so too did the n

Re: What has become of the Python 2004 papers?

2006-03-11 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 12:00:26 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe the plan is to move most/all the PyCon-related stuff to the > pycon.org domain, though I'm not certain about that. No, that's not the plan. The PSF doesn't own the domain, and I want the data to

Re: PyCon2006 - will the content be available for download?

2006-03-08 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:02:32 GMT, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried it too. There don't seem to be any audios for 2006, which I > think is what the OP was interested in as well. 2006 audios probably won't begin to appear for another week or two. --amk -- http://mail.py

Re: Rethinking the Python tutorial

2006-02-13 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 11:03:55 -0500, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What we are talking about here is a Python Language Users' Guide. I actually started on such a document over the holidays, but have only described about 3 or 4 statements at this point. However, it's probably n

Re: Python module for the LX200 command set

2006-01-30 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:20:09 -0800, RayS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Hi Ray - I'm the co-ordinator of Project Galileo - great to see >>someone else is developing code too, especially in Python. (Assuming this refers to ...) This subject would make an

Re: beta.python.org content

2006-01-27 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 27 Jan 2006 08:08:58 -0800, Michael Tobis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about some permutation of the PyCon logo? It is really quite > brilliant. ... > http://www.python.org/pycon/2006/logo.png > > Kudos to whoever came up with that, by the way! It was Michael Bernstein who des

Re: beta.python.org content

2006-01-27 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:33:06 +, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/ My suggestion would be "too much text". IMHO, people do not read paragraphs of material on the web. The basic structure shouldn't be the paragraph, but the bullet po

Re: Who is www.python.org for? (was Re: New Python.org website ?)

2006-01-23 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:43:45 -0600, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For me, the most important function of the python.org site > is as a quick-reference to deeper documentation that I > actually need in the process of writing Python code. docs.python.org is probably the site mo

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:20:37 +0100, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd prefer a separate wiki (at least initially). Do we have enough > admin resources to set up an 1.5 instance ? I doubt it's practical to run 1.3 alongside 1.5. python.org uses mod_python, so unless the Moin

Re: New Python.org website ?

2006-01-19 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:34:21 +0100, Gerhard Häring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I see this correctly, Fredrik would volonteer to (help) implement > something that imports the current python.org content into a Wiki. First question I have: which wiki? Does this go into the existing Pyt

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:13:01 +, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > attempt to draw direct comparisons. Maybe having an uncle helped you in > to the trade, but it didn't cut you much slack in terms of required > standards, hence the absence of cathedral-shaped heaps of rubble.

Re: Which Python web framework is most like Ruby on Rails?

2005-12-22 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:05:08 +, Ed Singleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes; I've long worried about this, but have no idea how to fix the >> problem. Python users largely talk to other Python users, not to the >> world at large. > > A good start would be for there to be a way for

Re: Which Python web framework is most like Ruby on Rails?

2005-12-22 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 20 Dec 2005 15:05:15 -0800, Michael Tobis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Python people don't really think that way. As a community we really > seem to inherit the open source dysfunction of trying harder to impress > each other than to reach out to the rest of the world. The problem is Y

Re: Which Python web framework is most like Ruby on Rails?

2005-12-16 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:15:17 -0800, Alex Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you claim there's a web project that's unfeasible to do in Ruby, > you'd better come up with a strong example. If you're making no such > claim, which would be counter to the claims of the Ruby community, th

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-13 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 8 Dec 2005 08:00:25 -0800, BartlebyScrivener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The bulleted points in BeginnersGuide/Overview are, again, things that > are important to programmers ("Automatic garbage collection frees you > from the hassles of memory management" means nothing to me, even now

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-12 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:45:12 +0100, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> to make it better. Maybe it could be "'', from '' >> by ". Then the text for your file would be "'The zlib module', >> from '(the eff-bot guide to) The Standard Python Library' by Fredrik Lundh." > > that sh

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-09 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:17:59 +0100, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > cool. can you post a sample page somewhere? It's not terribly interesting at the moment. The generated LaTeX looks like this: \seeurl{http://effbot.org/librarybook/zlib.htm}{The zlib module} And that gets f

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-08 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:36:52 -0600, A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > of the seealso environment. I'll talk to Fred about it and begin > assembling a patch. Patch #1376361: http://www.python.org/sf/1376361 . I still need to talk to Fred about this

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-08 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:58:36 -0800, Michael Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I experimented with some more re-organization, but I don't see away > to attach the resulting file in the SF comments, so I'll post it > here instead. I've attached your file to the patch. Some comments: >

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-08 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:10:18 -0500, Kent Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK I'll bite. That Beginners Guide page has bugged me for a long time. > It's a wiki page but it is marked as immutable so I can't change it. > Here are some immediate suggestions: Good suggestions; thanks! I

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-08 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 7 Dec 2005 05:51:45 -0800, Iain King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Argh, you made me look at the html again - at least now I know *why* it > is so disgusting. I understand there's a new version coming out soon, > hopefully in html 4 strict or xhtml. I'm sure at that point it'll be > ea

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-07 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:45:13 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just because that audience is small doesn't mean they are unimportant. > There are currently four actively maintained/developed implementations of > Python. A common language reference manual is important fo

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-07 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:36:24 +0100, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > or just add a marker (in some for me unknown way), and postprocess > the HTML files. I'm not sure the links does necessarily belong in e.g. > PDF renderings of the documentation, but that's of course up to the >

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-07 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:29:33 -0800, Michael Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > not that helpful. "Miscellaneous Services", in particular, gives no clue to > treasures it contains. I would prefer, for example, to see the data > structure modules: collections, heapq, array etc... given

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 6 Dec 2005 10:10:09 -0800, Ian Bicking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > stable personal pages that should be linked in . But I do think that > we should encourage some specific process for new or revised > tutorial/howto contributions, like encouraging people put such material > in the wik

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:33:05 +0100, > I've proposed adding support for semi-automatic linking to external > documents, based on a simple tagging model, a couple of times, e.g. > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-May/280751.html Very interesting. There could be a manually-ma

Re: Documentation suggestions

2005-12-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:28:12 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somehow I think Guido would eventually put his (16-ton) foot down. ;-) Maybe, but he hasn't put his foot down on new-style classes yet, which were added in 2.2. It would be all to the good if the BDFL (or t

Documentation suggestions

2005-12-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
Here are some thoughts on reorganizing Python's documentation, with one big suggestion. The tutorial seems to be in pretty good shape because Raymond Hettinger has been keeping it up to date. It doesn't cover everything, but it's a solid introduction, and if people don't find it works for them, t

Re: Bitching about the documentation...

2005-12-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:05:38 -0500, François Pinard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's a relatively recent phenomenon that maintainers go berzerk, foaming > at the mouth over forms, borders, colors, and various other mania! :-) It's largely to ensure that the ideas aren't lost. E-mail si

Re: Bitching about the documentation...

2005-12-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:56:50 GMT, Bengt Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A little more effort could present the referrer page with clickable > paragraphs and other elements, to zoom in to what the commenter > wants to comment on. And an automatic diff could be prepared for > editors, a

Re: Dr. Dobb's Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Dec 2)

2005-12-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 5 Dec 2005 14:10:00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I was running Python-2.4.1 so I upgraded to 2.4.2 and guess > what? The docs still reference the old Howto. Perhaps you meant > to say "will be fixed in 2.5" rather than "has been fixed"? The docs referen

Re: XML and namespaces

2005-12-02 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 2 Dec 2005 06:16:29 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course. Minidom implements level 2 (thus the "NS" at the end of the > method name), which means that its APIs should all be namespace aware. > The bug is that writexml() and thus toxml() are not so. Hm, OK.

Re: XML and namespaces

2005-11-30 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 30 Nov 2005 07:22:56 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted: > >>> element = document.createElementNS("DAV:", "href") This call is incorrect; the signature is createElementNS(namespaceURI, qualifiedName). If you call .createElementNS('whatever', 'DAV:href'), the o

Re: Why are there no ordered dictionaries?

2005-11-22 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 22 Nov 2005 01:41:44 -0800, Kay Schluehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone actually use this site? While the Vaults offered a nice > place and a nice interface the Cheese Shop has the appeal of a code > slum. Looking at the Cheese Shop's home page at http://cheeseshop.python.or

PyCon 2006 Call for Tutorials

2005-11-09 Thread A.M. Kuchling
PyCon 2006 Call for Tutorials -- Enjoy teaching classes or tutorials? PyCon 2006 is looking for proposals for a pre-conference tutorials day. PyCon 2006 will be held February 24-26 in Addison, Texas (near Dallas). Tutorials will be held on February 23, at

Re: python.org offline

2005-11-01 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:18:06 +0100, Sybren Stuvel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I can read. My question is: does anyone know why this happens so > often lately? I suspect this is teething problems related to the move to a new server. I've bumped up the number of Apache processes, so w

PyCon: proposal deadline is today

2005-10-31 Thread A.M. Kuchling
ssion site:http://submit.python.org A.M. Kuchling Chair, PyCon 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

PyCon: suggestions for tutorial speakers wanted

2005-10-27 Thread A.M. Kuchling
A planned new addition to PyCon 2006 is a day of tutorials before the conference; tutorials will cost extra and give attendees a chance to take a 3-hour introduction to Python (or some other topic) before they leap into conference-going. A Call for Tutorials will be posted soon. It'll go to comp.l

Reminder: PyCon proposals due in a week

2005-10-25 Thread A.M. Kuchling
The deadline for PyCon 2006 submissions is now only a week away. If you've been procrastinating about putting your outline together, now's the time to get going... Call for Proposals: http://www.python.org/pycon/2006/cfp Proposal submission site: http://submit.python.org/ --a

Reminder: PyCon proposal deadline is Oct. 31st

2005-10-11 Thread A.M. Kuchling
The deadline for PyCon proposals is now three weeks away; proposals must be received by Oct. 31st. Read the call for proposals for what we're looking for and how to submit: <http://www.python.org/pycon/2006/cfp> The proposal submission site is <http://submit.python.org>. A.

Re: C#3.0 and lambdas

2005-09-23 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:46:54 +0530, Ganesan Rajagopal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree. I am a lurker in this list and the python-devel list and I've also > noticed that increasingly big discussions happen over fairly minor > things. Python's DB API is still stuck at 2.0 and we can't e

Re: Why do Pythoneers reinvent the wheel?

2005-09-12 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:35:37 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the manual does need a section on how to find code other than > the library. But where do you put it? The tutorial's final section (http://docs.python.org/tut/node14.html) mentions PyPI. A link to the AS

Re: Why do Pythoneers reinvent the wheel?

2005-09-10 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:53:24 +0200, Stefano Masini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, so we might as well learn a little more and rewrite os.path, the > time module and pickle. Right? :) And in fact people have done all of these: os.path: path.py (http://www.jorendorff.com/articles/python

Re: OpenSource documentation problems

2005-09-02 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 01:28:22 -0500, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm. Still sounds like "there ought to be a wiki". I've seen references > to two different ones on this thread. One was then debunked as a "failed > experiment". The other just gave me a DNS lookup failure (may

Re: OpenSource documentation problems

2005-09-02 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:08:18 -0400, Fred L. Drake, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ideally, emails to docs at python.org would result in issues being created > somewhere, simply so they don't get lost. It probably doesn't make sense for > those to land in SourceForge automatically, sinc

Re: OpenSource documentation problems

2005-09-02 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:19:16 GMT, Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My attempts at simple came in closer to the life insurance than > Lincoln -- forget about Hemingway; the only way I could approach his > writing was to stick to: Hello World; Good day; See you later; Bye

Re: OpenSource documentation problems

2005-09-01 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:09:27 +0200, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the useredit approach I'm using over at the librarybook site works > pretty well. for example, if you go to That looks pleasantly simple. I don't consider the pydoc.amk.ca experiment to have been really succes

Re: OpenSource documentation problems

2005-09-01 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:57:00 GMT, Bryan Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since "help *is* pydoc.help, or at least...", the call could > show the same thing as help(pydoc.help), or at least inform the > user that more of the story is available from help(pydoc.help). But, given that the h

Re: OpenSource documentation problems

2005-09-01 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 1 Sep 2005 05:04:33 -0700, Paul Boddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please note that I'm not labelling you as a troll. No, he's simply barking mad. I was amused by a rec.arts.sf.written discussion [1] where Lee complains that Jonathan Swift (1667-1745)'s writing was unclear in style;

Re: OpenSource documentation problems

2005-08-31 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:14:35 GMT, > I use dir() all the time; help() not so much. Typing help(help) > shows: > > Help on _Helper in module site: > > Type help() for interactive help, or help(object) for help > about object. > > That strikes me as not-particularly-helpful. Surely it

Re: Sanitizing untrusted code for eval()

2005-08-22 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:55:45 GMT, Jim Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still working on yet another parser for JSON (http://json.org). See http://python.ca/nas/log/200507/index.html#21_001 for another parser. I don't know if it uses eval() or not, but would bet on "not" becau

Re: Database of non standard library modules...

2005-08-19 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:33:16 +0100, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While cheeseshop might resonate with the Monty Python fans I have to say > I think the name sucks in terms of explaining what to expect. If I ask > someone where I can find a piece of code and the direct me to

Re: Pre-PEP Proposal: Codetags

2005-08-11 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:47:37 +0200, Martin v. Löwis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you somewhat misunderstood the purpose of the PEP process. > This is meant primarily for enhancements to Python (the language > and its library), ... PEP 0 disagrees: PEP stands for Python Enhan

Re: Python -- (just) a successful experiment?

2005-08-08 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:58:40 GMT, Bengt Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It occurs to me that we have the PEP process for core python, but no PEP > process > for the python app/lib environment. What about starting a PEEP process > (Python Environment Enhancement Proposals) modeled on

Re: Accepted Summer of Code proposals

2005-07-04 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:22:51 -0400, Terry Reedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for posting this and thanks for coordinating the PSF effort. I did little beyond writing up that wiki page. David Ascher has been the primary coordinator for the PSF. --amk -- http://mail.python.org/ma

Accepted Summer of Code proposals

2005-07-01 Thread A.M. Kuchling
For anyone who's interested: the Python wiki now contains a list of the PSF-mentored proposals that were accepted for Google's Summer of Code: http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode --amk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

2005-06-29 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:14:26 -, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> cool because you have to bet a lot of money. Anyway, if you >> insist on making distinctions between the backwoods of >> apalachia and european aristocracy, > > What, you think they sound the same? I think tha

Reminder: bug day on Saturday the 25th

2005-06-24 Thread A.M. Kuchling
The Python bug day is coming up tomorrow, Saturday June 25th, running from 1PM to 7PM UTC (9AM to 3PM Eastern). Stop by the IRC channel (#python-dev on irc.freenode.net) and join in! For more info, see . --amk -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: PyPI errors?

2005-03-21 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 04:24:16 + (UTC), Daniel Yoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know why PyPI's doesn't like my PKG-INFO file? Here's > what I have: The PyPI code is being modified at the PyCon sprints; clearly this is a bug that was introduced yesterday. I expect it'll g

Re: PyZeroConf Question

2005-03-20 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:48:03 -0800, djw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The list of printers is returned, but every call to getServiceInfo() in > the Listener objectresults in a timeout and None being returned. I suggest compiling Apple's mDNSMonitor and looking at the sequence of packets.

Zeroconf article

2005-02-27 Thread A.M. Kuchling
I've written a little introductory article on using the Zeroconf protocol with Python. Zeroconf allows servers running on one machine to publish their existence to other machines on the local network; applications can then locate available servers. The article is: http://www.amk.ca/python/ze

Re: how to write a tutorial

2005-02-02 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:22:24 -0500, Dan Perl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted: > "Xah Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> I suggest it be dropped in both places. The mentioning of this book in >> the Perl/Python community is mostly a fawning behavior and confession >> that the author is

Re: rotor replacement

2005-01-22 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 22 Jan 2005 04:50:30 -0800, Paul Rubin wrote: > Martin, do you know more about this? I remember being disappointed > about the decisions since I had done some work on a new block cipher It was discussed in this thread: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2003-April/034959.htm

Re: What YAML engine do you use?

2005-01-21 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:54:50 +0100, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > judging from http://yaml.org/spec/current.html (750k), the YAML designers are > clearly insane. that's the most absurd software specification I've ever > seen. they > need help, not users. IMHO that's a bit

Re: What YAML engine do you use?

2005-01-21 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:30:47 +0100, rm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nowadays, people are trying to create binary XML, XML databases, > graphics in XML (btw, I'm quite impressed by SVG), you have XSLT, you > have XSL-FO, ... . Which is an argument in favor of XML -- it's where the activi

Re: PyCon Preliminary Program Announced!

2005-01-21 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:52:13 -0500, Tim Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The web page needs better formatting. In general, there are no more Suggestions for improvement are welcome. Perhaps the Wiki version of the schedule, at http://www.python.org/moin/PyConDC2005/Schedule, may be

Re: Boo who? (was Re: newbie question)

2004-12-21 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:22:51 -0800, Roger Binns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That work died due to "a crisis of faith": > http://mylist.net/archives/spry-dev/2004-November/72.html Soon it will be possible to become a well-known programmer without writing any code at all; just issue

Re: collaborative editing

2004-12-10 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On 10 Dec 2004 05:20:42 -0800, Michele Simionato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > welcome. Does something like that already exists? Alternatively, I would need > some hierarchical Wiki with the ability of printing its contents in an > structured way. At least one book, Eric van der Vlist's R