Am 05.07.18 um 12:04 schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 09:17:20 +0200, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
Am 04.07.18 um 17:31 schrieb Steven D'Aprano:
On Wed, 04 Jul 2018 13:48:26 +0100, Bart wrote:
Presumably one type hint applies for the whole scope of the variable,
not just the one a
@GregoryEwing
maybe another word for pep revocation is fork
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Paul Rubin wrote:
If you see the historical absence
of an assignment operator in Python as a mistake, then the introduction
of := is a fix for the mistake that only happened because people kept
complaining.
That's not quite the same thing. There was no a PEP saying
that there would never be ass
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 22:54:52 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Ah, that's called "shunning," isn't it?
No, shunning is when people simply stop responding to those they don't
approve of, turn their back on them in the street, and refuse to
acknowledge their existence in any way.
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On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 12:55 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:07:17 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 8:15 AM, Marko Rauhamaa
>> wrote:
>>> Chris Angelico :
>>>
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Marko Rauhamaa
wrote:
> True enough. Modern-
To Guido, I wish you much success in all your future endeavors.
Jack G
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:07:17 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 8:15 AM, Marko Rauhamaa
> wrote:
>> Chris Angelico :
>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Marko Rauhamaa
>>> wrote:
True enough. Modern-day protocols as well as Linux file formats and
commands intent
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:19 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> On 07/14/2018 04:09 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
>> I agree with this observation and it feels quite strange to me. I regularly
>> use three languages (C++, Python and Tcl), all three are under active
>> development, and IMHO all of them
On 07/14/2018 04:09 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> I agree with this observation and it feels quite strange to me. I regularly
> use three languages (C++, Python and Tcl), all three are under active
> development, and IMHO all of them have flaws, there are is always something
> which is elega
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 8:15 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Chris Angelico :
>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> True enough. Modern-day protocols as well as Linux file formats and
>>> commands intentionally blur the line between strings and bytes. The
>>> software in que
Chris Angelico :
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> True enough. Modern-day protocols as well as Linux file formats and
>> commands intentionally blur the line between strings and bytes. The
>> software in question deals with all of the above. It is virtually
>> impossibl
Le 2018-07-14 à 16:02, Chris Angelico a écrit :
No, it isn't. Shunning would be killfiling you, which is apparently
"more polite" than telling you how utterly and completely wrong you
are.
What I would like to do is ban you for endemic racism, honestly. By
recommending and preferring eight-bi
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Chris Angelico :
>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:44 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> Having gone through a recent 2to3 effort that left my conscience
>>> stained, I can only lament for the lost paradise which was Python
>>> 2.7. There *was* one
I'm really sad to hear that news! Python is the language which made me
gain the most skills in modern software programming ever! I have not
encountered a better programming language than Python for quickly
becoming a mature developer!
I just hope the Python software foundation will continue
On 7/14/2018 2:44 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Having gone through a recent 2to3 effort that left my conscience
stained, I can only lament for the lost paradise which was Python 2.7.
I am curious, which release of 2.7 do you apply that to? The initial
2.7.0? Should we have stopped there? The
Chris Angelico :
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:44 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Having gone through a recent 2to3 effort that left my conscience
>> stained, I can only lament for the lost paradise which was Python
>> 2.7. There *was* one real gain: MemoryBIO, but that's not enough to
>> bring a smil
On 07/14/2018 10:16 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate to
>> new languages? This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future.
>
> Umm, yeah. The language is stable, widely used packages are stable.
> Guido actually has littl
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:44 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Ian Kelly :
>
>> I think we all can name things we don't like about Python. For
>> example, you're not likely to ever convince me that piggybacking
>> coroutines onto generators was anything but a terrible hack that
>> results in added compl
Ian Kelly :
> I think we all can name things we don't like about Python. For
> example, you're not likely to ever convince me that piggybacking
> coroutines onto generators was anything but a terrible hack that
> results in added complexity and leaky abstraction now that the feature
> has been str
On 07/14/18 02:09, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
Am 14.07.18 um 10:00 schrieb Marko Rauhamaa:
Steven D'Aprano :
Apparently Marko didn't notice the irony of suggesting that we display
excessive commitment to GvR
The object of the "cult" isn't GvR, it's Python itself.
I agree with this obser
On 7/14/2018 3:35 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 05:19:36 +0300, Mikhail V wrote:
From Marko's check-list:
[ ] The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality
Many Python programmers -- perhaps the majority -- know more than one
programming language, enjoy some of them, an
> Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate to
> new languages? This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future.
Umm, yeah. The language is stable, widely used packages are stable.
Guido actually has little involvement in the larger Python ecosystem.
It's not
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:12 AM Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> Typical conversation on this list / newsgroup:
>
> Q: "I could need a ?: operator just like in C. Is there something like
> that in Python?"
>
> A1: "No. You don't want it. It makes the code confusing. You said, you
> have a problem, yo
Hi all, this is just an FYI in case anyone else has the same issue I just
ran into. If you use python 3.6 or 3.7 under Ubuntu with lxc, you may
discover that your site-packages aren't being imported correctly within the
container, but when you SSH in, everything works correctly. If that
happens, ch
Hi,
I'm adding logging to a time critical task running resource-constrained
hardware (Raspberry Pi).
I read about the QueueListener/QueueHandler in:
https://docs.python.org/3/howto/logging-cookbook.html#dealing-with-handlers-that-block
and I'm trying to understand how it really works and what's
@ChrisAngelico
py's dev is not mere whims here and there
py does not assume, it waits for peps.
peps are not flown direct dustbin, they are reviewed
the qna gives the impression of hey python is weird and just brushes
suggestions with the back of the hand or defends some parts without
justificat
On 14/07/2018 10:09, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
Am 14.07.18 um 10:00 schrieb Marko Rauhamaa:
Steven D'Aprano :
Apparently Marko didn't notice the irony of suggesting that we display
excessive commitment to GvR
The object of the "cult" isn't GvR, it's Python itself.
I agree with this obser
On 13/07/18 00:20, Roel Schroeven wrote:
> Yes, you read that right: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader.
>
> See his mail:
> (https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html)
Thanks for posting this here, Roel. Much appreciated.
Guido has been fantastic, and he w
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:11 AM Steven D'Aprano <
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 07:41:43 +, Bob Martin wrote:
>
> > in 796624 20180714 064331 Gregory Ewing
> > wrote:
> >>Larry Martell wrote:
> >>> A
On 14/07/2018 07:04, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
He once went on for *weeks* about C's (yes, this was in c.l.c) failure
to have what he regards as a "proper" for-loop.
That could only have happened if there were people willing
to keep replying to him about it for weeks. So, if it
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer
wrote:
> @ChristianGollwitzer
>
> Naa your type of qna is called pep and a pep is not rejected without a
> valid reason
>
I have no idea what you mean here. Can you please clarify?
ChrisA
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@ChristianGollwitzer
Naa your type of qna is called pep and a pep is not rejected without a
valid reason
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Am 14.07.18 um 10:00 schrieb Marko Rauhamaa:
Steven D'Aprano :
Apparently Marko didn't notice the irony of suggesting that we display
excessive commitment to GvR
The object of the "cult" isn't GvR, it's Python itself.
I agree with this observation and it feels quite strange to me. I
regula
Steven D'Aprano :
> Apparently Marko didn't notice the irony of suggesting that we display
> excessive commitment to GvR
The object of the "cult" isn't GvR, it's Python itself.
Marko
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On 2018-07-13, Larry Martell wrote:
[Schnipp]
> And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called
> Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch?
Be careful here, this is a somewhat delicate matter. Strictly speaking
Holland is part of Nederland (the Netherl
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 05:19:36 +0300, Mikhail V wrote:
> From Marko's check-list:
> [ ] The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality
Many Python programmers -- perhaps the majority -- know more than one
programming language, enjoy some of them, and can appreciate their
strengths and the dif
On 2018-07-13, ElChino wrote:
>> The important question we should ask ourselves: Do we have a replacement
>> Dutch person to figure out the one obvious way to do things that may not
>> be obvious at first?
>
> Skybuck?! Also Dutch.
We try to deny that.
It'll probably lead to ending every statemen
Bob Martin :
> in 796624 20180714 064331 Gregory Ewing wrote:
>>Larry Martell wrote:
>>> And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called
>>> Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people are Dutch?
>>
>>And Germany is called
On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 07:41:43 +, Bob Martin wrote:
> in 796624 20180714 064331 Gregory Ewing
> wrote:
>>Larry Martell wrote:
>>> And while we're talking about the Dutch, why is the country called
>>> Holland, but then also The Netherlands, but the people ar
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